Venezuela

[Boss]

8 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

He was talking about austerity at the time, but I think agreeing with what Chávez did to help feed the poorest in a third world country is different to what you’d do in a first world country. There’s no doubt Corbyn would was to increase social projects. He’s hardly going to go for a non-market economy. It’s a strange attempt to imply his support for Chavez is indicative or where we’d be under Corbyn. Basically it’s ‘if you vote for Corbyn you’ll get Maduro and we will end up like Venezuela’ but without the bottle to say it because it’s so fucking ridiculous. 

 

Corbyn wouldn't be able to tank our economy, it's too diverse and the pound is too strong. The Venezuelan economy is a single commodity market. I think oil makes up 98% of it's exports - which makes the decision to turn away foreign investment and nationalise private industry even more baffling. Corbyn would try though. 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Boss said:

 

Corbyn wouldn't be able to tank our economy though, it's too diverse and the pound too strong. The Venezuelan economy is a single commodity market. I think oil makes up 98% of it's exports - which makes the decision to turn away foreign investment and nationalise private industry even more baffling. Corbyn would try though. 

 

 

Corbyn would try to tank our economy? That’s absolutely ridiculous. 

[Boss]

11 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Corbyn would try to tank our economy? That’s absolutely ridiculous. 

I'm not saying he'll do it purposely, but the end result of his policies will be damaging to the economy.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Boss said:

I'm not saying he'll do it purposely, but the end result of his policies will be damaging to the economy.

Which policies specifically?

[Boss]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Which policies specifically?

All of them.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Boss said:

All of them.

All of his policies are going to tank the economy? 

 

How will increasing NVQ 3 Apprenticeships tank the economy? 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 hours ago, SasaS said:

I was reading more about Venezuela today and kept thinking how this would have been Ayn Rand's wet dream.

Venezuela 1998-2010 would be her worst nightmare: Socialism improving millions of people's lives and setting an inspiring example to lefties worldwide.

[Boss]

9 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

All of his policies are going to tank the economy? 

 

How will increasing NVQ 3 Apprenticeships tank the economy? 

 

The sum of his policies will have a detrimental effect.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

38 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

Corbyn would try though. 

 

 

Just to check; that is a joke?

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, Boss said:

The sum of his policies will have a detrimental effect.

Yes, I want to know which ones are damaging to the economy. I’m trying to learn from you so that I can avoid voting to tank the economy. Right now you sound like somebody saying something but doesn’t actually understand why. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

15 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

All of his policies are going to tank the economy? 

 

How will increasing NVQ 3 Apprenticeships tank the economy? 

 

Better funding for arts education and investing in renewable energies - it's the economics of the madhouse!

[SasaS]

21 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Venezuela 1998-2010 would be her worst nightmare: Socialism improving millions of people's lives and setting an inspiring example to lefties worldwide.

No, she would have preferred the oil industry was private before Chavez, so the government could take it away from some Prometheus-like sexually dominant South American rapey capitalist hunk who created it, but she would love this version that the country not only ruined their main source of income through poor managemen and insufficient investments but because the situation is so bad that workers are too weak to work because of malnutrition. Don't now if this is true, but that alone would have made her wet all over.

[Boss]

21 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yes, I want to know which ones are damaging to the economy. I’m trying to learn from you so that I can avoid voting to tank the economy. Right now you sound like somebody saying something but doesn’t actually understand why. 

You're trying to straw man me. I didn't say each of his policies will have a detrimental effect, I said all of them, in their totality, will be ruinous to the economy over an extended period of time.

 

If you'd like to explain why spending billions to renationalise the railways and buying back the private sector within the NHS will make the economy boom please elaborate, because i've never seen any economic system where you buy loads of stuff and don't sell any stuff, and generate massive profits. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

You're trying to straw man me. I didn't say each of his policies will have a detrimental effect, I said all of them, in their totality, will be ruinous to the economy over an extended period of time.

 

If you'd like to explain why spending billions to renationalise the railways and buying back the private sector within the NHS will make the economy boom please elaborate, because i've never seen any economic system where you buy loads of stuff and don't sell any stuff, and generate massive profits. 

I’m not trying to straw man you, I’m holding you to your comments that his policies will tank the economy and want more details on how. You are very reluctant to detail how he will tank the economy. 

 

As for that bullshit about not selling any stuff... that’s going to need explanation too. 

[Boss]

2 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I’m not trying to straw man you, I’m holding you to your comments that his policies will tank the economy and want more details on how. You are very reluctant to detail how he will tank the economy. 

 

As for that bullshit about not selling any stuff... that’s going to need explanation too. 

I've named two policies right there if you want to give a rebuttal as to why they'll cause the economy to grow.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

I've named two policies right there if you want to give a rebuttal as to why they'll cause the economy to grow.

I didn’t say those policies will cause the economy to grow, why would I give an explanation as to why those two policies would cause the economy to grow? Straw man. 

 

Anyway, you’re clearly not going to explain why all of corbyn’s policies will cause the economy to tank, so I guess I’m pretty much done. 

[Jairzinho]

Being healthy and having a means of getting to work is probably quite good for the economy.

[Boss]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

I didn’t say those policies will cause the economy to grow, why would I give an explanation as to why those two policies would cause the economy to grow? Straw man. 

 

Anyway, you’re clearly not going to explain why all of corbyn’s policies will cause the economy to tank, so I guess I’m pretty much done. 

 

Why do I need to explain? it's obvious. If you're spending billions buying the railways back and buying back the NHS private sector, you're going to rack up an extremely large bill. Who's paying for this bill? The taxpayer. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Boss said:

 

Why do I need to explain? it's obvious. If you're spending billions buying the railways back and buying back the NHS private sector, you're going to rack up an extremely large bill. Who's paying for this bill? The taxpayer. 

Yes. How will this tank the economy. 

[Boss]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yes. How will this tank the economy. 

 

Why would you even need to buy them in the first place? They're privately owned. They aren't costing you any money. They're making you money with corporate tax and the income tax of the employees.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Boss said:

 

Why would you even need to buy them in the first place? They're privately owned. They aren't costing you any money. They're making you money with corporate tax and the income tax of the employees.

How will it tank the economy? 

[Boss]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

How will it tank the economy? 

Because you're incurring all this unnecessary cost to turn an asset into a liability, at the taxpayers expense. 

[Section_31]

Boss, aspects of our economy are state run, just not by our state. Arriva is owned by the German government. 

 

We spend huge sums on outsourced services to clowns like carrilian and G4S, they're not more efficient- they're less efficient - and a lot of the money YOU give them goes into shareholders' and/or CEO pockets.

 

Look at all the academy and free schools which get money lashed at them no matter how shit they are because the government ideologically won't let them fail, while state schools are taking pen and paper donations from parents.

 

The money is there, it's already being spent, it's just going to the wrong people.

[Numero Veinticinco]

17 minutes ago, Boss said:

Because you're incurring all this unnecessary cost to turn an asset into a liability, at the taxpayers expense. 

Well, you’re taking back an asset at the expense to the tax payer. That has happened so many times it’s impossible to count. It happens all the time. It doesn’t cause the economy to tank, nor have you explained how it would. 

 

The funny thing is, you said he couldn’t tank the economy and then tried to say buying something, which government does all the time, will tank the economy. You clearly haven’t thought this through very well, just like when you claimed more democracy was less democratic. 

 

You can can disagree with something without making up, or parrotting made up reasons. I also think it’s unnecessary to take back the railways, but it wouldn’t tank the economy. 

[cloggypop]

The 2017 Labour manifesto was to take back public control of railways as franchises expired.