Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[magicrat]

PMQs is an abomination. Corbyn doesn't quite get it, you can't play a game against people who have no interest in playing. It's merely a court for the Tories to get media soundbites. He should use his platform better but he won't. Against the entire media he has no chance but he does himself little favours when the opportunities arise. Labour is fucked with or without Corbyn, the only thing that can save it sadly is a charismatic leader and Labour possess none of those. Split and be done with it form new coalitions.

 

He should have nailed Theresa May today. Fucking cheeky cow accusing him of being an unscrupulous boss. Agree with him or not he was duly elected by his party. Why the fuck did he not just say who the fuck elected you to be PM ? Not even the Tory members got to choose you because there was a complete stitch up. That message needs to be heard, she and the rest of the right wing junta that have just seized power have no legitimacy. Jesus the Tories could teach the Turks a few things about coups. 

[ZonkoVille77]

That petition only makes reference to the print media, though. The one form of media in this country whose reach and importance is unambiguously declining.

Might be declining but still very significant and part of the problem. Little acorns..

[Strontium]

Might be declining but still very significant and part of the problem. Little acorns..

 

I mean, I think everyone recognises that monopolies are bad, and the newspaper realm is no exception.

 

On the other hand, it's never been easier to get published and to find an audience - just look at the number of political blogs that have sprung up over the past 5 years, many of which have real influence.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

That petition only makes reference to the print media, though. The one form of media in this country whose reach and importance is unambiguously declining.

Sales are declining, but the influence in Westminster shows no sign of waning.

[King Emlyn]

Just watched PMs QT, May twatted him, he's so uncharasmatic it's untrue and as has been said misses bigger open goals than Ronnie Rosenthal, a truly dreadful politician.

[RoboRiise]

Just watched PMs QT, May twatted him, he's so uncharasmatic it's untrue and as has been said misses bigger open goals than Ronnie Rosenthal, a truly dreadful politician.

 

I was absolutely amazed at how easy a ride she got today.  A PM appointed by acclamation by the Tory parliamentary wonks taking the piss out of him and the best he can offer in return amounts to being savaged by a guinea pig.  Meanwhile we have the brexit minister's job being shadowed as a part-time secondary role by the shadow energy secretary which sums up the level of interest he appears to have in actually engaging with that issue perfectly.

 

I don't dispute that he's under attack from all sides and think that some of it is pretty shoddy.  None of that changes the fact that he doesn't have a fucking scooby when it comes to leading the party and every passing day makes it more and more obvious.

 

Truthfully today has killed any lingering vestige of fucks I could give about the guy; I'd actually be perfectly OK with him taking the kind of role that Smith has suggested, a party chairman or president and I'd also be perfectly OK with him having a major influence in determining policy (not that I imagine that's how Smith sees that role, he would clearly see it as a way of marginalising Corbyn) but I don't want him anywhere near trying to assemble and motivate a team to actually deliver it.

 

Fact is he's still in the outsider mentality.  You can't have that as a party leader, you have to be able to work with people.

[King Emlyn]

Do you reckon May thinks Brexit means Brexit....I don't think she's said

[sir roger]

182k people signed up during the 3 day window, I'm amazed at the numbers. Throws everything into the melting pot on the Corbyn / Smith vote

£4,5m extra monies for the party.

[King Emlyn]

I was absolutely amazed at how easy a ride she got today.  A PM appointed by acclamation by the Tory parliamentary wonks taking the piss out of him and the best he can offer in return amounts to being savaged by a guinea pig.  Meanwhile we have the brexit minister's job being shadowed as a part-time secondary role by the shadow energy secretary which sums up the level of interest he appears to have in actually engaging with that issue perfectly.

 

I don't dispute that he's under attack from all sides and think that some of it is pretty shoddy.  None of that changes the fact that he doesn't have a fucking scooby when it comes to leading the party and every passing day makes it more and more obvious.

 

Truthfully today has killed any lingering vestige of fucks I could give about the guy; I'd actually be perfectly OK with him taking the kind of role that Smith has suggested, a party chairman or president and I'd also be perfectly OK with him having a major influence in determining policy (not that I imagine that's how Smith sees that role, he would clearly see it as a way of marginalising Corbyn) but I don't want him anywhere near trying to assemble and motivate a team to actually deliver it.

 

Fact is he's still in the outsider mentality.  You can't have that as a party leader, you have to be able to work with people.

Indeed, I know that to many on here he's God , to each his own but surely even his keenest acolytes know deep down he's useless. Politics is a brutal business unfortunately and he simply isn't up to it.

[King Emlyn]

182k people signed up during the 3 day window, I'm amazed at the numbers. Throws everything into the melting pot on the Corbyn / Smith vote

£4,5m extra monies for the party.

Perhaps they can hand it over to the poor saps who are going to suffer another 10 years of Tory rule

[Anubis]

Perhaps they can hand it over to the poor saps who are going to suffer another 10 years of Tory rule

Have you joined Labour, or signed up as a registered voter enabling you to vote for Owen Smith?

[sir roger]

We shall see,

 

May is getting an easy ride at present but I don't think she has much to her & some of her front bench are an accident waiting to happen.

[King Emlyn]

Have you joined Labour, or signed up as a registered voter enabling you to vote for Owen Smith?

Nope, I'm not a member of any political party.

[sir roger]

Perhaps they can hand it over to the poor saps who are going to suffer another 10 years of Tory rule

 

Most of the coup MP's couldn't even be bothered to vote against austerity cuts, so I can't see them authorising any handouts if Smith wins.

[King Emlyn]

Smith won't win, although having just seen that QT performance I suppose I shouldn't rule it out.

[King Emlyn]

Just on Smith apparently he was once asked to contact the Police about an ongoing investigation and so actually dialled 999. If that's true then I really don't know what you can add to that....If true of course

[sir roger]

Well I thought the whole point of the NEC £25 buy a vote scheme revolved around us Corbyn supporters all being povos.

 

So by my rudimentary maths then, if Corbyn had 60% of 310k last time ( 183k against 127k ) and Smith has the vast majority of the rich voters then he should win.

[Strontium]

Just on Smith apparently he was once asked to contact the Police about an ongoing investigation and so actually dialled 999. If that's true then I really don't know what you can add to that....If true of course

 

 

He admitted it, not sure it was 999 but another emergency hotline. He was working as a reporter for the BBC at the time.

 

On the plus side, it means that at least he's had a proper job before, unlike so many Labour MPs (mentioning no names).

[King Emlyn]

Well I thought the whole point of the NEC £25 buy a vote scheme revolved around us Corbyn supporters all being povos.

 

So by my rudimentary maths then, if Corbyn had 60% of 310k last time ( 183k against 127k ) and Smith has the vast majority of the rich voters then he should win.

Sorry I've no idea what the point of a £25 fee is I just know that Corbyn is useless. Don't think Smith is any great shakes either.

[Section_31]

Just watched PMs QT, May twatted him, he's so uncharasmatic it's untrue and as has been said misses bigger open goals than Ronnie Rosenthal, a truly dreadful politician.

Don't think it's particularly that to be honest, it's more the fact he has no credibility because most of the people behind him are against him.

 

The 'New Labour' party under Blair and the SNP now all had that feeling of being a united force, no leader can lead under these circumstances, the whole situation is ridiculous.

[Anubis]

Nope, I'm not a member of any political party.

Right. I'm just curious - if you want change would you not think about taking the chance to effect it?

[Anubis]

Still treating these reports with a degree of skepticism, but this does support what the New Statesman editor tweeted earlier.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/laboureoin/status/755839418775195649

[sir roger]

I don't think Corbyn is useless.

 

Don't get me wrong , I wish he was a brilliant orator & could impale people with his wit but that isn't what he is & it isn't what I am looking for. I think he has a good set of true Socialist policies & is a man of the utmost integrity who will not renege on those policies & will fight for them without fear or favour.

 

I have no idea if that will be enough if he is leader at the next GE, but I think the public may be attracted to an honest politician if he can get a bit of backup from his colleagues re his policies rather than undermining him constantly.

[King Emlyn]

Right. I'm just curious - if you want change would you not think about taking the chance to effect it?

I know what you mean and I take your point but to be honest with you everything just seems hopeless to me right now. Was talking about this to my Uncle at a funeral the other week, you know how you open up when your emotional and have had a few we were talking about that feeling in 97 when Blair swept to power, pure unadulterated optimism I've never felt the like before or since, went to work the following day with no sleep and still felt like I was walking on air. Nearly 20 years on and look at the fucking mess.

[Section_31]

Tories have opened up an 11 point lead in the polls apparently, time to invest heavily in petroleum jelly.