US Election Thread 2016

[cloggypop]

All sources are not equal, RP.

[TheHowieLama]

RP - pick a fuckin side mate.

 

Greenpeace tries to sink ships, all over the world - you in or out Greenie?

 

The only Left you seem to support is left out on the sidelines.

[Red Phoenix]

What's wrong with organizing protests? It's what the left historically does, especially groups who call themselves "workers international" or whatever.

 

Nothing. I'm wondering about how the Democratic Party and agenda driven groups might be hijacking some of what's going on though.

 

I'm not against socialist or even communist protests either, I'm closely aligned in my outlook to a lot of those groups. I just find it hard to completely dismiss everything that the right are saying just because they're the right. Especially after the epic fails of the left recently and the corruption we've seen since Sanders lost the primary.

 

I want to see where the right are correct here so that I can understand more about how the left has failed, but also where they're wrong so that their bullshit can also be called out. Because I do think there's a dangerous element to what's going on here in the area of fascists and the alt-right and I want to learn about that, definitely not ignore it.

[Red Phoenix]

RP - pick a fuckin side mate.

 

Greenpeace tries to sink ships, all over the world - you in or out Greenie?

 

The only Left you seem to support is left out on the sidelines.

 

I posted a bit too late for you I think! See my previous.

[TheHowieLama]

Sit at home on your fence post. 

 

 

You say you want a revolution weeeeellll youoo kknnnnowwww.....

[Red Phoenix]

Sit at home on your fence post. 

 

 

You say you want a revolution weeeeellll youoo kknnnnowwww.....

 

I'm clearly on the left. It wasn't long ago that I was raving about anarchism on here, so I'm not going to fear having flipped over to nazi territory I don't think.

 

I can see where I'm being misunderstood here though and I get that, so to explain a bit :

 

I supported and still do support Brexit. When it comes to Trump I support the anti-globalist part to an extent (or to an extent : bunch of fucking crony capitalists) because I think that's the exact same nature of thing that I was against with Brexit.

 

So there's actually a bit of a convergence in views here (for a similar example, see the anti-TPP protests from people at both Rep and Dem conventions), but that doesn't have to mean I'm some type of closet racist or fascist just because I agree on those things. You can be anti crony capitalist and also anti fascist and anti racist. I mean that's purely in line with a lot of socialism and anarchism.

 

But at the same time, these people should not be ignored. I think it's important to see what points they have and also where they're wrong. When it comes down to it, Republican and Democrat supporters and in turn, a lot of the left and right are being played by the elites on several levels. We can see that easily just from Clinton, Trump, and how corrupt and screwed up they both are.

 

What I don't agree with is that both sides should go along with that and be constantly attacking each other. The vast majority of us are Human beings who don't want the world to turn to shit and want to live decent lives. This is also why I'm prepared to listen to what these people are saying more, because the actual fascists and corporate loons are manipulating a lot of them as well and where it can be done, that needs learning about and exposing for what it is.

 

The fraudulent parts of the left have been exposed recently and Trump is now going to be president. Now it's time to expose the fraudulent parts of the right, and it fucking has to be done properly before Trump has any chance of being re-elected in four years time.

[cloggypop]

RP will love this. Emails! Corruption! Emails!

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/14/corruption-begins-vp-elect-mike-pence-court-hide-emails.html

[polymerpunkah]

Yep, it's likely Soros behind it all.

 

And likely Sharpton as well.

 

Moore? Likely he's involved.

[Red Phoenix]

RP will love this. Emails! Corruption! Emails!

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/14/corruption-begins-vp-elect-mike-pence-court-hide-emails.html

 

I'll love it if they eventually end up at somewhere like wikileaks. It could also be good watching Trump and some of his supporters change their minds really quickly about wikileaks if that happens too. "Assange is now backed by Soros!" And so on.

[TheHowieLama]

I'll love it if they eventually end up at somewhere like wikileaks.

Huh? 

 

How did they miss this is what you should be asking? Unless they are part of a larger conspiracy...wait, what?

[Strontium]

Wikileaks doesn't care about exposing Republicans. I bet they're sitting on thousands of bits of sordid info that will be quietly traded away for calling the attack dogs off the albino.

[Red Phoenix]

Huh? 

 

How did they miss this is what you should be asking? Unless they are part of a larger conspiracy...wait, what?

 

Miss? For wikileaks to release anything it has to be sent to them first.

 

And if the Trump administration is anything like as bad as we're imagining it will be, hopefully they'll be releasing some stuff on them eventually.

[TheHowieLama]

I don't think this fella just figured out that he has something to hide - but you're right - it does seem strange that they haven't had anything at all sent to them. Not a single thing. About Trump, Pence, Christie, Giuliani -- nothing. Nada. All guys with plenty of skeletons too. Huh..weird.

[Red Phoenix]

I don't think this fella just figured out that he has something to hide - but you're right - it does seem strange that they haven't had anything at all sent to them. Not a single thing. About Trump, Pence, Christie, Giuliani -- nothing. Nada. All guys with plenty of skeletons too. Huh..weird.

 

There's loads of leaders and politicians with plenty of skeletons, it doesn't mean they're aligned with wikileaks if they've not had anything leaked on them. It might take a while but hopefully we'll eventually have something on them. Of course in the meantime you can think it's a Republican conspiracy or whatever, I think that's slightly over the top though.

[Jose Jones]

Red Phoenix, on 15 Nov 2016 - 1:15 PM, said:

 

There's loads of leaders and politicians with plenty of skeletons, it doesn't mean they're aligned with wikileaks if they've not had anything leaked on them. It might take a while but hopefully we'll eventually have something on them. Of course in the meantime you can think it's a Republican conspiracy or whatever, I think that's slightly over the top though.

It's not a Republican conspiracy, just that wikileaks were obviously being fed stuff by people who wanted Trump to win, by their own admission.

Whether Assange was happy enough to go along with it because wikileaks has no editorial policy, or because he saw helping the Trump get in as his best hope of stopping the US from wanting to stick him in prison, is obviously debatable. Probably a bit of both.

[Red Phoenix]

It's not a Republican conspiracy, just that wikileaks were obviously being fed stuff by people who wanted Trump to win, by their own admission.

Whether Assange was happy enough to go along with it because wikileaks has no editorial policy, or because he saw helping the Trump get in as his best hope of stopping the US from wanting to stick him in prison, is obviously debatable. Probably a bit of both.

 

And maybe the thought of the US mending ties with Russia might have crossed his mind too, seeing as it might be of a little help to the world. Same old shit from this country though : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/12/trump-putin-alliance-sparks-diplomatic-crisis/

 

"Assad, Assad, Russia, Russia." What a load of fucking shit. How thick do they think we are? Trump telling NATO, May, the EU, and the fucking wahaabist, ISIS loving, Al-Qaeda loving, terrorist fucking Saudis where to shove it might be the best thing about him being president. Maybe he can tell Erdogan to fuck off as well while he's at it.

[Red Phoenix]

 

 

 

[Jose Jones]

Red Phoenix, on 15 Nov 2016 - 3:27 PM, said:

 

And maybe the thought of the US mending ties with Russia might have crossed his mind too, seeing as it might be of a little help to the world. Same old shit from this country though : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/12/trump-putin-alliance-sparks-diplomatic-crisis/

 

"Assad, Assad, Russia, Russia." What a load of fucking shit. How thick do they think we are? Trump telling NATO, May, the EU, and the fucking wahaabist, ISIS loving, Al-Qaeda loving, terrorist fucking Saudis where to shove it might be the best thing about him being president. Maybe he can tell Erdogan to fuck off as well while he's at it.

Do you really think Russia is mending ties with America?

Putin is just as bad an old school cold war meddler as there is, railing against the passing of the light and trying to bring back the glory days of two fading empires.

Also corrupt, subjugates his own people, kills loads of ethnic minorities, etc. but that's by the by.

[njackets]

Hasan Minhaj did a good piece on the Daily Show about how it really should have been a deal-breaker when Trump went full racist against Muslims; and how scary it is that about half of voters were either supportive of his racism or prepared to accept it as part of the package.

 

Meanwhile, Trump is pretending to be surprised at the spike in racist violence.

Spike in racist violence??

[Red Phoenix]

Putin is just as bad an old school cold war meddler as there is, railing against the passing of the light and trying to bring back the glory days of two fading empires.

Sounds like the US and UK.

 

Also corrupt, subjugates his own people, kills loads of ethnic minorities, etc. but that's by the by.

Kills loads of.....how many mainly Muslim countries did Obama bomb again? 7? As for corrupt, well that's kind of global with governments.

[razor]

Spike in racist violence??

 

That trend appears to have spiked in just the last week, with civil rights groups and news organizations reporting dozens of verbal or physical assaults on minorities and others that appear to have been fueled by divisions over the election.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/reports-of-bias-based-attacks-tick-upward-after-election.html?_r=0

 

 

Open season as it is now countenanced by the state.  That's how it works, mate.  You create a culture of bigotry, and so bigotry occurs.

[Jose Jones]

Red Phoenix, on 15 Nov 2016 - 4:48 PM, said:

 

Sounds like the US and UK.

 

 

Kills loads of.....how many mainly Muslim countries did Obama bomb again? 7? As for corrupt, well that's kind of global with governments.

Well, yes, that was my point.

Russia under Putin has done plenty of bad shit, and really don't care about the Syrian people or defeating ISIS whatsoever, in an almost exactly similar way to the US.

It just so happens that the murderous bastards supporting the murdering bastard Assad in this case is slightly the lesser of two evils as being the murderous bastards supporting the murdering bastards of Al-Qaeda.

[Red Phoenix]

Well, yes, that was my point.

Russia under Putin has done plenty of bad shit, and really don't care about the Syrian people or defeating ISIS whatsoever, in an almost exactly similar way to the US.

It just so happens that the murderous bastards supporting the murdering bastard Assad in this case is slightly the lesser of two evils as being the murderous bastards supporting the murdering bastards of Al-Qaeda.

 

Agreed mostly, but if Trump, Putin, Assad and the Kurds can kick the terrorists out of Syria then it might be a whole lot of a lesser evil that remains. I'd prefer to see them leave it mostly to the Kurds/SDF though really.

[Red Phoenix]

Posting this in case it isn't already here : Bernie Sanders: Where the Democrats Go From Here

[dennis tooth]

That trend appears to have spiked in just the last week, with civil rights groups and news organizations reporting dozens of verbal or physical assaults on minorities and others that appear to have been fueled by divisions over the election.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/reports-of-bias-based-attacks-tick-upward-after-election.html?_r=0

 

 

Open season as it is now countenanced by the state. That's how it works, mate. You create a culture of bigotry, and so bigotry occurs.

Funny 'liberals' who wouldn't be caning the 'bigotry and racism' angles if Hilary was bombing the browned people.

Both candidates were racists and minorities would be suffered that wasn't the choice.