Spare room tax

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

[The Acolyte]

They're at home, washing their tights.

 

 

There's a rather large problem with the bedroom tax in that there's not enough suitable housing stock to go around. The housing association around here says it would take seven years to move everyone to something suitable. So even if people want to move, they face years of 'fines' for something they have no control over.

 

A shekup of some kind was needed though, I don't disagree with that. I just knew these idiots wouldn't be the ones to get it right.

 

So what you are sayoing is that people are being punished due to the councils lack of foresight and spunking their cash on shite that the local council tax payers don't want or need?

[RJ Fan club]

So what you are sayoing is that people are being punished due to the councils lack of foresight and spunking their cash on shite that the local council tax payers don't want or need?

 

No more likely that the Council's have had this thrust upon them by Central Government with no time to be able to provide the necessary arrangements/flexibility in the housing stock.

 

Not that the Council's caused the Housing crisis in the first place by wanting to sell off stock, more like they were forced to do so.

[VladimirIlyich]

I may be in this position soon. One son and one daughter living at home with us who are both in their twenties and wanting to spread their wings.

 

This idea is just another part of the tory agenda, another of their reverse Robin Hood policies of robbing the poor to feed the rich and not having enough money to do it so another stealth tax is imposed on those least able to afford it.

 

There is a genuine problem somewhere in here, one that the Tories will use as an excuse and thats a massive shortage of low income housing. Fair enough so build more houses then.

Problem is that there is no money, so we are told and the economy is in the shitter. Its in the shitter due to the same cunts who are benefiting discreetly from this tax and from the recent cut in the higher rate of income tax too.

 

Same old tories and the behaviour of people who havent ever had to want for anything a day in their lives yet preach to people who live like that all the time.

 

No surprises here again though as our population just doesnt give a shit any more so we will keep getting fucked over as we are now.

[Rico1304]

I may be in this position soon. One son and one daughter living at home with us who are both in their twenties and wanting to spread their wings.

 

This idea is just another part of the tory agenda, another of their reverse Robin Hood policies of robbing the poor to feed the rich and not having enough money to do it so another stealth tax is imposed on those least able to afford it.

 

There is a genuine problem somewhere in here, one that the Tories will use as an excuse and thats a massive shortage of low income housing. Fair enough so build more houses then.

Problem is that there is no money, so we are told and the economy is in the shitter. Its in the shitter due to the same cunts who are benefiting discreetly from this tax and from the recent cut in the higher rate of income tax too.

 

Same old tories and the behaviour of people who havent ever had to want for anything a day in their lives yet preach to people who live like that all the time.

 

No surprises here again though as our population just doesnt give a shit any more so we will keep getting fucked over as we are now.

 

Hold on, so your son and daughter are living in subsidised housing??? Why??? Do they work???

 

 

 

PS no idea why I did 3 question marks but it felt right.

[bigbak]

I voted yes, but I'd rather see them being assessed and moved to smaller places or into a private rental that they can obviously afford.

Although I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to have one spare room.

 

I know of an elderly lady who lives in a 3 bedroom house being paid for. She gets pension credit and god knows what else.

She's stuffed her mattresses and floorboards with money so she won't lose these benefits.

 

She should be in a smaller place to allow a family to live there.

[Lee909]

Surely the big question is

Where did all the money go when the councils/governments sold off the old houses with the right to buy scheme?

[Guest Slim(fast)Shady]

Something connected to this....

 

Very soon housing benefits will be paid directly to the claimant as opposed to direct to landlords.....

 

Thoughts?

[Lee909]

I don't like that personally.

We know how many people are up shit street some there own fault others not.

If your kid needs new shoes,electricity meter runs short people will e d up using the money and going into more debt.

 

What fucking century do we live in where all the money that is available in the world and millions lives homeless and starve in first world countries let alone the issues elsewhere.

[dickie mint]

I voted yes, but I'd rather see them being assessed and moved to smaller places or into a private rental that they can obviously afford.

Although I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to have one spare room.

 

I know of an elderly lady who lives in a 3 bedroom house being paid for. She gets pension credit and god knows what else.

She's stuffed her mattresses and floorboards with money so she won't lose these benefits.

 

She should be in a smaller place to allow a family to live there.

 

 

 

Good luck to the arl girl I hope she keeps screwing the cunts for every penny she can get.

[Moo]

Im probably going to get slaughtered for this but I think that's the problem with our society today. Surely in a true socialist viewpoint the person in the house that's too big should be altruistic and move, allowing the one with the greater need to move in. In your example we are providing someone with a house, then rewarding them again for doing the decent thing - doesn't make sense to me.

 

Another of my bugbears is seeing council house with a £40k car on the drive or even worse a caravan. I see it loads and all over the country too. No idea how to sort it like but it's just not on to have that much cash and have subsidised housing.

 

Absolutely.

The problem is there's not enough suitable housing for people to move into immediately so they will still be penalised for circumstances beyond their control. As others have also said, many people have lived in their houses for many years believing they had a secure home, so they have invested money into keeping it in a good state, decorating it to their own tastes, making the garden nice - should they also lose out by having to move somewhere not of the same standard they have brought it up to?

[Champ]

Something connected to this....

 

Very soon housing benefits will be paid directly to the claimant as opposed to direct to landlords.....

 

Thoughts?

 

Another policy devised by people who simply have no understanding of the hand to mouth existence experienced by a large section of the population. No, 'we should be treating people on benefits like the rest of the population and enable them to budget their income like everyone else.' Only there's a fatal flaw in that argument when you dont have enough to cover your existing expenses...

[VladimirIlyich]

Hold on, so your son and daughter are living in subsidised housing??? Why??? Do they work???

 

 

 

PS no idea why I did 3 question marks but it felt right.

 

What do you mean subsidised housing?

And yes they both work and cover the rent and council tax payments through doing so.

 

They don't earn enough to move out anywhere ,one has a temporary job,despite doing a degree and are way down as a priority for a housing association or council rented property.

[Champ]

What do you mean subsidised housing?

And yes they both work and cover the rent and council tax payments through doing so.

 

They don't earn enough to move out anywhere ,one has a temporary job,despite doing a degree and are way down as a priority for a housing association or council rented property.

 

Its a bit lateral but there are 2 lads in our small street, mid twenties, both private school educated in, what I imagine are reasonably well paid jobs, and they're both still living at home with their parents. Not through choice, I shouldn't imagine, but because the whole housing market and economy are fucked

[Rico1304]

What do you mean subsidised housing?

And yes they both work and cover the rent and council tax payments through doing so.

 

They don't earn enough to move out anywhere ,one has a temporary job,despite doing a degree and are way down as a priority for a housing association or council rented property.

 

What I mean is there are 4 people in your house all working, but if you are in a council house it's being rented to you at we'll under market rates. Is that fair?

[Strontium]

Surely the big question is

Where did all the money go when the councils/governments sold off the old houses with the right to buy scheme?

 

 

They weren't allowed to build new council houses with the money. So far as I can see, that was the biggest problem with right to buy, that you were losing all this housing stock and not replacing it.

 

Housing benefit is a total shambles and little more than a tidy subsidy for wealthy landlords. No government will have the balls to heavily reform or eradicate it though.

[VladimirIlyich]

 

What I mean is there are 4 people in your house all working' date=' but if you are in a council house it's being rented to you at we'll under market rates. Is that fair?[/quote']

 

There are not 4 people working in my house and my house shouldnt or isnt on any market as it was built at a low cost purely to provide cheaper housing to low income earners.

Right to buy is a disgrace in houses like mine as in reality its probably realistically worth about £20k. They were being sold for about 9 grand in the nineties.

[Rico1304]

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. It was built for low income earners but at the moment there are 3 earners living in it - is that fair? If you split the already low rent between the 3 sets of wage earners you are getting a fucking cheap deal. I'm not sying yourwith your over age kids should move out but they should be paying the council rent, not splitting your low rent.

[gingerhulk]

If you are a foster parent and your foster child has a room for themselves, this will be classed as a "spare" room.

 

So now the Tories are not classing foster children as people, great eh!

[Strontium]

If you are a foster parent and your foster child has a room for themselves, this will be classed as a "spare" room.

 

So now the Tories are not classing foster children as people, great eh!

 

 

I have issues with the policy, but this isn't one of them - foster carers get separate payments for fostering children already.

[Rambo]

It's not a tax, it's a reduction of benefit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you fishing there? I'm wondering if i should bite, that's all.

 

 

 

 

Our estate, most of Gwynedd are having all their housing assc homes improved, they needed it - my bathroom was a portacabin glued to the back door and another doorway put in. Anyway, you have to vacate your house for 4 months whilst the work is done, as they've been moving people the elderly have been given options to move into more appropriate accommodation, decorated, carpeted and with the H/A paying the removal firm. It really does encourage the rotation of housing stock.

 

Why would you think RICO was fishing? It does happen.

[Rambo]

Something connected to this....

 

Very soon housing benefits will be paid directly to the claimant as opposed to direct to landlords.....

 

Thoughts?

 

There will be a lot of civil claim and evictions

[lifetime fan]

I have issues with the policy, but this isn't one of them - foster carers get separate payments for fostering children already.

 

 

Support a 5% reduction in tax for millionaires?

Support a cut of £728 for foster parents?

 

Seriously?

[melons]

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. It was built for low income earners but at the moment there are 3 earners living in it - is that fair? If you split the already low rent between the 3 sets of wage earners you are getting a fucking cheap deal. I'm not sying yourwith your over age kids should move out but they should be paying the council rent, not splitting your low rent.

 

Err because when he took the house on he probably took it on with the thought that it's a secure tenancy unlike private (extortionate rent) rentals.

 

If you are a foster parent and your foster child has a room for themselves, this will be classed as a "spare" room.

 

So now the Tories are not classing foster children as people, great eh!

 

I have issues with the policy, but this isn't one of them - foster carers get separate payments for fostering children already.

 

Spot on.

 

 

Why would you think RICO was fishing? It does happen.

 

And? What if it does? a 5-10k caravan is hardly going to be a move up the social ladder for someone. I've a 4k car sat at the front of my house, add up my camping gear and it's probably a fair few grands worth - I'm not entitled to live in social housing because i have a few possessions of because at some point in my life i could afford those possessions?

 

It makes me laugh, it's divide and concur at it's finest - you've been sold, mate. Take a look at the bigger picture, what about all those private rents not maintaining their properties, not paying tax on said properties - not going to have a pop at those, nah, that one in the council house will do, they've not got the money to fight back. In theory.

[melons]

Support a 5% reduction in tax for millionaires?

Support a cut of £728 for foster parents?

 

Seriously?

 

Thats not what he said...

 

Fostering Allowance Foster care children payments 2013

 

They get £380p/w to foster a child, this income is to cover the needs of what a person has to deal with to enable them to foster, (I agree that those fostering for the L/A get less) it would mean that whilst they have children in the property they would be also entitled to the benefit for that bedroom.