General Election 2019

[TheHowieLama]

9 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Labours policies are popular, their leader is not.

You think there is a large number of people who support the policies but do not support Corbyn?

[moof]

Just now, Brownie said:

Fair enough, in what way? Which policies do you want to push further to the left?

More radical action on climate change, more open on immigration, getting rid of the nuke, more investment in public transport infrastructure, free public utilities, more aggressive wealth redistribution schemes, more regulation in terms of income inequality, more assistance for worker coops, subsidised health food. Just for instance, like. Obviously willing to compromise on these things but I think there’s an argument that Labour don’t go far enough in their ambition

[moof]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

You think there is a large number of people who support the policies but do not support Corbyn?

Yes most of the big ticket policies are overwhelmingly popular with the public 

[Brownie]

4 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

Seems to me like Labour and the Democrats in America are both going through a realignment from third way politics and finding their feet. 

Yeah and Obama is their Tony Blair.

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, moof said:

Yes most of the big ticket policies are overwhelmingly popular with the public 

If you acknowledge this how can you support Corbyn?

 

By definition he is making Labour less effective.

[Brownie]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

You think there is a large number of people who support the policies but do not support Corbyn?

Absolutely. It’s supported via polling and also anecdotally.

 

I know plenty of people who aren’t voting Labour purely because of Corbyn, even though they generally support the policies.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Brownie said:

Yeah and Obama is their Tony Blair.

Grabbing at straws here mate

[SasaS]

26 minutes ago, moof said:

There’s nothing extreme about Labour’s offering. It just looks radical based on how our political and economic system is currently structured - which btw is surely the definition extreme. 

 

Labour are mostly offering things that are completely founded in common sense, necessity, and the idea that we can do better as a species than what we have now. 

You may need a new dictionary.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

SNP and the Libs have lost their high court challenge against their exclusion from the ITV leaders debates. 

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Absolutely. It’s supported via polling and also anecdotally.

 

I know plenty of people who aren’t voting Labour purely because of Corbyn, even though they generally support the policies.

Don't tell Moof -- or AoT -- he is not supposed to be divisive.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Nelly-Torres said:

SNP and the Libs have lost their high court challenge against their exclusion from the ITV leaders debates. 

Good. 

[Brownie]

7 minutes ago, moof said:

More radical action on climate change, more open on immigration, getting rid of the nuke, more investment in public transport infrastructure, free public utilities, more aggressive wealth redistribution schemes, more regulation in terms of income inequality, more assistance for worker coops, subsidised health food. Just for instance, like. Obviously willing to compromise on these things but I think there’s an argument that Labour don’t go far enough in their ambition

You see I don’t see those as being more left wing than the current policies, necessarily. I think those are all centre left ideas.

 

More left would be things such as removing private ownership of land/premisis, which I don’t at all support.

[Brownie]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Grabbing at straws here mate

What straws am I grabbing at?

[Brownie]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Don't tell Moof -- or AoT -- he is not supposed to be divisive.

It’s clear that he’s divisive. That doesn’t automatically mean that you should personally stop supporting him though.

 

I can only speak for myself here but my loyalty to Corbyn is linked solely to the change he’s instigated to the party as a whole. If he resigned tomorrow and was replaced by a leader who championed the same policies, then that’s fine by me.

 

The worry is that the direction of travel goes when he goes. I think that’s an understandable fear to have.

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

What straws am I grabbing at?

Tony Blair was never the "first" anything. Obama was.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

 

The worry is that the direction of travel goes when he goes. I think that’s an understandable fear to have.

Yep - personality vs party is a tough place to be. 

[Brownie]

8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Tony Blair was never the "first" anything. Obama was.

 

 

You’ve totally lost me.

 

My point was that Obama is now their Blair, in the sense that he’s trying to arrest the party from moving to the left.

[TheHowieLama]

@BrownieI think you mean Biden mate - maybe Obama by proxy

[Mudface]

20 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

SNP and the Libs have lost their high court challenge against their exclusion from the ITV leaders debates. 

Great, makes it a much easier masturbation prospect without those horn killers on.

[SasaS]

He means Obama with his latest intervention.

[Brownie]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

@BrownieI think you mean Biden mate - maybe Obama by proxy

Nope. Current affairs mate.

[ZonkoVille77]

Swinson arguing that only the Lib Dems can solve Brexit and the Tories and Labour can't. How, you might ask? By using their majority (snigger) to...... hold a people's vote. 

 

So basically Labour's approach.

 

The fuckin' lunatic cunt. 

 

She's fuckin shite. 

[ZonkoVille77]

2 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Great, makes it a much easier masturbation prospect without those horn killers on.

 

Amen.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Brownie said:

Nope. Current affairs mate.

Ok - that is been the understanding of the vast majority of Dems for decades.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Swinson arguing that only the Lib Dems can solve Brexit and the Tories and Labour can't. How, you might ask? By using their majority (snigger) to...... hold a people's vote. 

 

So basically Labour's approach.

 

The fuckin' lunatic cunt. 

 

She's fuckin shite. 

She keeps saying that Corbyn wants Brexit which is a big fat fucking lie. The cunt.