Is it safe to come out yet? - by John Brennan

[s(k)aturation]

John has written lots of good stuff for the site in the past. Maybe this wasn't his best piece and (as is fairly usual) I don't agree with what he's saying but it's generated a decent debate which is the whole point of opinion pieces, isn't it?

 

 

I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

 

Nor why it's been specifically re-visited this week.

 

John could be right, he could be wrong, he could be being selective in his "facts", it might not have been especially well-written, it might be snide, it might be cynical, so what?

 

We respond, we agree/disagree.

 

It's only an opinion.

[Brownie]

Agree with Andrew and Skaro.

[G Richards]

Fair enough from me too then! It’s just an opinion, and the fella seems well respected for earlier pieces and so on.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

 

Nor why it's been specifically re-visited this week.

I was the one who bumped it. I did so because he was snide as fuck, calling the manager all sorts of shitty things over two threads - and deserved, in my view, to be called out on hiding away since we’ve been doing well. I don’t really take well to the whole ‘cheerleader-in-chief’ nonsense.

[s(k)aturation]

I don’t really take well to the whole ‘cheerleader-in-chief’ nonsense.

 

 

And it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

I have my own opinion of Jürgen's, which - with due respect - John won't change.

 

In respect of this specific reference by John B, albeit cynical, I think Klopp is a theatrical conductor of crowds and atmosphere at a ground - among many other more important things.

[Numero Veinticinco]

And it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

I have my own opinion of Jürgen's, which - with due respect - John won't change.

 

In respect of this specific reference by John B, albeit cynical, I think Klopp is a theatrical conductor of crowds and atmosphere at a ground - among many other more important things.

Aye, that’s how he meant it! There’s a boat load of other disparaging remarks about the manager. If it doesn’t bother you, more power to you. It bothers me, so I confronted it.

[s(k)aturation]

To each their own.

 

There's a lot of violent agreement and disagreement with each other - and others - on here at the moment.

 

I'm quite enjoying it.  Invigorating.

 

It's been a turbulent week or so.  The Derby, VVD, Firmino, Coutinho.

 

Objectivity is the ideal, but subjectivity among passionate fans is inevitable.

 

I've liked reading you.  And m0e, for example.

[liverpoolsno9]

Let’s go all in for Jose. 

[mattyq]

Haha, interesting bump

It was a terrible article when it was written and it's got worse over time

Fancy actually sitting down and thinking it'd be a good idea to write shite like that?

[3 Stacks]

He doubled down on it too for a while after. Bad look for this site.

[Sugar Ape]

By some distance the worst thing I’ve read on here. And I include thousands of posts by Rashid, Hades and Dennis Tooth in that. 

 

It was also wrote less than two years ago. Unbelievable. And two people actually repped it!

[The Guest]

On 26/09/2017 at 18:15, johnb said:

Yes, of course it's premature to expect changes to a defence which continues to leak goals like there's no tomorrow over a HUNDRED games into his reign.

 

Put the snarkiness to one side and look at the facts. 

 

If you think he can get it right, then good for you. I think it's going to end in tears.

It’s easy to predict failure because literally 99% of the time that’s what happens.  It’s a good job we don’t have planks like you running the club.  They’re running the mancs instead.

[Dr Nowt]

In fairness to him it did end in tears this week.

[Pureblood]

Seriously, who cares?  JB was brave enough to stick his head above the parapet and write an article for the site.  He got it horribly wrong in the longterm, but at the time we did have defensive issues.  Klopp fixed the attack and then turned his attention to the defence.  That's not the conventional way of doing things.  Conventional wisdom says you build from the back, and that's all JB was saying really.  JB is a good Red, I'm sure, and he wasn't the only one to take issue with Jurgen having a go at the crowd.  

 

Not many saw this coming.  Be honest, did you ever envisage Klopp making us so miserly and difficult to beat?  I didn't, I thought we'd be an attacking juggernaut playing heavy metal football and would take defensive risks, because that's what it said on ze tin.   I didn't ever envisage us winning a Champions League final looking like Wimbledon '88 on crack.  I'll take it, though.  Hoof! 

[Pureblood]

On 10/01/2018 at 11:56, Brownie said:

Agree with Andrew and Skaro.

Say, that's a nice avatar.

[3 Stacks]

The comments about our defensive performance were fair enough at the time. Not fair was calling Klopp a cheerleader and insinuating he was a shite manager in a horrendously written "article" with a sarcastic tone that was littered with "excessive!!!!! "punctuation" and quotation" marks."

[liverpoolsno9]

Whatever happened to Funnneee/Gym Berlin? 

[sir roger]

I hope Jurgen seeks him out and roundhouses him.

[Pureblood]

7 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The comments about our defensive performance were fair enough at the time. Not fair was calling Klopp a cheerleader and insinuating he was a shite manager in a horrendously written "article" with a sarcastic tone that was littered with "excessive!!!!! "punctuation" and quotation" marks."

Aye, he'll be disappointed looking back at those snipes.  Still, I'm sure Jurgen will get over it. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

On 26/09/2017 at 18:15, johnb said:

Yes, of course it's premature to expect changes to a defence which continues to leak goals like there's no tomorrow over a HUNDRED games into his reign.

 

Put the snarkiness to one side and look at the facts. 

 

If you think he can get it right, then good for you. I think it's going to end in tears.

Spot on. Lot of tears flowing on Saturday 

[johnsusername]

23 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The comments about our defensive performance were fair enough at the time. Not fair was calling Klopp a cheerleader and insinuating he was a shite manager in a horrendously written "article" with a sarcastic tone that was littered with "excessive!!!!! "punctuation" and quotation" marks."

Does have a bit of Trump about it. 

 

I see that FAILURE Klopp has bought AOC - SAD! Already making excuses! Milner a "new signing"? FAKE NEWS! We are in a MESS because of KLOPP.

[Numero Veinticinco]

To be fair, John seems like a decent enough guy. We had a chat via PM and I’ve no doubt that he will be overjoyed to have been wrong. Badly, badly wrong. 

[Sugar Ape]

John is a good guy who has been on the forum since the beginning. He’s also a good writer who has wrote plenty of pieces I’ve enjoyed. 

 

This was a spectacularly misjudged article though and looks even worse when viewed with a couple of years hindsight.

[KMD7]

On 15/09/2017 at 14:25, Creator Supreme said:

On 15/09/2017 at 14:24, Spy Bee said:

Does anyone really begrudge bile and vitriol?

It's not bile and vitriol when it's true!

Spot on, CS

[Numero Veinticinco]

56 minutes ago, KMD7 said:

Spot on, CS

Strontium, sorry... ‘sixtimes’ Dog calling it ‘truth’ was the bit where I started getting shirty. 

 

Fucking love Klopp.