Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Boss said:

No-one probably. Certainly not the Tories, that's for sure.

But you won't be voting against them.

[Boss]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

May I refer you to Cicero.

 

You helmet.

He makes lovely chopped tomatos.

[Boss]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

But you won't be voting against them.

No, I'm sick of voting to stop people. I want to vote for a party I can believe in. This Labour Party is shambolic beyond belief and the inmates have taken over the asylum. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Boss said:

No, I'm sick of voting to stop people. I want to vote for a party I can believe in. This Labour Party is shambolic beyond belief and the inmates have taken over the asylum. 

Right. The whole Democracy thing that you find so repellent.

 

With a bit of look you might get an Independent Group candidate in your constituency.  You deserve each other. 

[Boss]

12 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Right. The whole Democracy thing that you find so repellent.

 

With a bit of look you might get an Independent Group candidate in your constituency.  You deserve each other. 

I wouldn't vote Independent Group anyway. People like yourself are unwittingly ushering in the destruction of the party. You think you're doing good by pushing all these people out, but you'll see during the next General Election you've made a big mistake. In fact you won't see, you'll probably double down on it and blame the loss on more right wingers within the party. You'll end up turning Labour into an irrelevance. 

 

Remember 500,000 Labour members. UK population 66,000,000. Less than 1%.

[Red Phoenix]

26 minutes ago, Boss said:

Remember 500,000 Labour members. UK population 66,000,000. Less than 1%.

 

Corbyn would probably be PM if it wasn't for media bullshit during the last election. The media are one of the main problems, not Corbyn's policies, left wing views, Momentum or whoever you blame for what's going on.

[Bobby Hundreds]

I must admit for his faults Galloway is an entertaining interviewee his interview with sky about the anti semitism was interesting.

[Jairzinho]

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

I wouldn't vote Independent Group anyway. People like yourself are unwittingly ushering in the destruction of the party. You think you're doing good by pushing all these people out, but you'll see during the next General Election you've made a big mistake. In fact you won't see, you'll probably double down on it and blame the loss on more right wingers within the party. You'll end up turning Labour into an irrelevance. 

 

Remember 500,000 Labour members. UK population 66,000,000. Less than 1%.

Nobody pushed the MPs who left: they walked.

 

"People like me" have never advocated pushing anyone out. (We've been through this before.)   I believe that the CLPs have a better understanding than some remote, centralised Party HQ of who would be an attractive candidate in each constituency.  I've never heard a convincing argument against that democratic principle. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

Remember 500,000 Labour members.

So, essentially, the biggest party membership of any group? Sorry, this is a bad thing how?

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Corbyn would probably be PM if it wasn't for media bullshit during the last election. The media are one of the main problems, not Corbyn's policies, left wing views, Momentum or whoever you blame for what's going on.

the media went after corbyn and May. In fact I would say once she started orchestrating her days out and selecting which journo's could or couldn't ask questions and even when she did answer them she just said "strong and stable", they went for the throat. in fact imo, that did as much to even up the result as corbyn's policies. It's a complete myth to blame the media on Labour not winning the last election. 

[Jenson]

7 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

the media went after corbyn and May. In fact I would say once she started orchestrating her days out and selecting which journo's could or couldn't ask questions and even when she did answer them she just said "strong and stable", they went for the throat. in fact imo, that did as much to even up the result as corbyn's policies. It's a complete myth to blame the media on Labour not winning the last election. 

 

Some nice balanced newspaper headlines during the election:

 

[Section_31]

Purdah put a muzzle on the papers and Corbyn got more popular and May got less popular in the space of a matter of weeks if not days. It's that simple. 

 

Every Labour leader since Blair has been singled out and destroyed by the press, none of it for policy or leadership reasons. 

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Corbyn would probably be PM if it wasn't for media bullshit during the last election.

 

Preposterous. Corbyn's appeal depends on [perpetuating the impression of] a largely hostile media. It's how he is able to set himself up as an outsider.

[Barrington Womble]

8 minutes ago, Jenson said:

 

Some nice balanced newspaper headlines during the election:

 

I am not sure what you expect of 3 right wing rags. the people who buy them aren't voting labour anyway. 

[Rico1304]

5 hours ago, Boss said:

No one probably. Certainly not the Tories, that's for sure.

I’ll let have one of my picks when we are choosing who to kill next. 

[moof]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

the media went after corbyn and May. In fact I would say once she started orchestrating her days out and selecting which journo's could or couldn't ask questions and even when she did answer them she just said "strong and stable", they went for the throat. in fact imo, that did as much to even up the result as corbyn's policies. It's a complete myth to blame the media on Labour not winning the last election. 

 

[moof]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Preposterous. Corbyn's appeal depends on [perpetuating the impression of] a largely hostile media. It's how he is able to set himself up as an outsider.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Preposterous. Corbyn's appeal depends on [perpetuating the impression of] a largely hostile media. It's how he is able to set himself up as an outsider.

How about the polling boost Labour got when the Manifesto was leaked? Was that down to Outlaw Chic too?

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

How about the polling boost Labour got when the Manifesto was leaked? Was that down to Outlaw Chic too?

 

They were on about 25% before that, weren't they? No doubt gained a little when people saw the manifesto wasn't especially radical or scary.

[Section_31]

I think being negatively portrayed with the media only works with young people, older people (including me) don't like it. 

 

I said it when they were hammering Brown, it's akin to being at a stand up comedy gig where you like the comedian but he's being heckled. After a while you start to feel so uncomfortable you just want them off the stage. I think a lot of people feel like that about Corbyn, the notion that he'll never be allowed to move or breathe politically, so what's the point. 

[M_B]

Javiid has announced the UK government is to ban Hezbollah "subject to parliamentary approval"

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hizballah-to-be-banned-alongside-other-terrorist-organisations

 

 

 

 

[SasaS]

30 minutes ago, M_B said:

Javiid has announced the UK government is to ban Hezbollah "subject to parliamentary approval"

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hizballah-to-be-banned-alongside-other-terrorist-organisations

 

That list is a nice little who is who in international (mostly Islamic) terrorism. A bit disappointed Turkey seems to be the only country where hard left terrorism scene of my childhood is still alive.   

 

 

[Anny Road]

This trend to doorstep politicians as they are leaving for work is not fucking on. They do it to JC everyday. He said he will not answer questions and yet they persist. Have some human fucking manners.

I notice they did it to Amber Rudd today but at least had the politeness to blur out her house number. Maybe its because she is a minister of state. JC does not get the same privilege.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I saw a tweet the other day (start of last week) and sadly can't find it now. Think it might have been Aaron Bastani or Asa Winstanley. 

 

The gist of it was that Liverpool, as a traditionally left leaning city, has never appealed to the right of centre/right wing politicians from the Labour Party and that they'd happily use and smear Liverpool to make a broader allegation that left wing politics/socialism is full of antisemitism. 

 

It looks like the call has gone in to their media buddies. There was the story below, strongly suggesting that the Liverpool Wavertree constituency is full of thick, inherently racist people. And there seems to be a bit of a (as of yet, unsubstantiated) storm brewing regarding Louise Ellman and the Liverpool Riverside CLP meeting a few days ago, with their being talk that Ellman might be the next to go (pretty please!) 

 

The suggestion in the tweet that I mentioned initially doesn't seem entirely inaccurate at this current juncture. Is Liverpool added to the smear list? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/23/liverpool-wavertree-labour-constituency-antisemitism-luciana-berger-derek-hatton