Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Red Phoenix]

Typed Corbyn in to twitter search bar and first thing I saw was this :

 

 

Beyond the pale. Corbyn should step down and the Communist terror loving Corbynites should be made to leave the country.

[M_B]

It's from a Daily Mail article regarding Javid's ban of Hezbollah and Corbyn's predictable response. It was a PR smear trap, which I posted before.

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

It's from a Daily Mail article regarding Javid's ban of Hezbollah and Corbyn's predictable response. It was a PR smear trap, which I posted before.

 

Ah didn't know you'd already posted about it. And yeah I saw that it was a Daily Mail thing about Hezbollah too. Mainly thought it was mad seeing the images first thing when getting search results. Wanted to see something about PMQ's then saw Corbyn standing there next to an image of a guy with a rifle, about as over the top as you can get. Looked more comedy to me than anything else really.

[Section_31]

29 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Typed Corbyn in to twitter search bar and first thing I saw was this :

 

 

Beyond the pale. Corbyn should step down and the Communist terror loving Corbynites should be made to leave the country.

Is that Barry Bulsara?

[Red Phoenix]

Owen Jones is a real fucking idiot at times, I really don't trust him at all.

 

"There's being a leftist - believing capitalism is a series of power relations - and being a conspiracist - believing there's shadowy individuals secretly pulling the strings. Conspiracism always leads to anti-Semitism, and a small but vocal group of conspiracists are in our ranks"

 

He can't not know about some of the shit going on here with Israel lobbies but he's clearly not saying anything. And any type of group could be pulling strings behind the scenes. It could be a mixture of different nationalities directing corporations, mainly one nationality manipulating their own government in a key country, or groups like the Bilderberg group and others like it. Fuck, loads of conspiracies involve aliens pulling the strings, maybe he thinks they're Jews or something? He's a fucking tit.

 

He can say a load of agreeable and mostly safe stuff and still ignore the real problems going on here, and that's exactly what he's been doing for a good while now. He's a fucking fake.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

He's a fucking fake.

I can assure you he is not.

 

[moof]

He’s a bright lad so he’ll know exactly what he’s doing. I don’t like it either. He is definitely guilty of spinning shit to suit his agenda on occasion. He’s certainly not great on Israel/Palestine 

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

I can assure you he is not.

 

I think he is on this. For a while I've thought he was cool, and he has touched on some real issues that I've been surprised at, but I'm not having the latest shit he's been going on about whilst ignoring so many key things. I think he's a fraud when it comes to this subject and he'll often be a divisive figure as time passes on other key subjects, maybe before backtracking later on if things don't go his way.

 

I'm done with believing he's just out to help Labour and that's all he's doing.

[Red Phoenix]

I accept that there's a chance I'm being too "conspiratorial" and Jones is just amazingly ignorant on parts of this problem. Maybe he'd even think I was being an anti-Semite if he knew of my views on this subject, so maybe we'd both be mistaken about each other. But he seems like such an intelligent guy that it baffles me how he's not seen some of the over the top crap going on. If nothing else he's highly ignorant of some of the aspects of what's happening here.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Or maybe he just holds an opinion contrary to your own?

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, moof said:

He’s a bright lad so he’ll know exactly what he’s doing. I don’t like it either. He is definitely guilty of spinning shit to suit his agenda on occasion. He’s certainly not great on Israel/Palestine 

Aye, he's just playing the game. Possibly a little too accepting of the rules. 

[Red Phoenix]

35 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Or maybe he just holds an opinion contrary to your own?

 

For someone of his intelligence going on about anti-Semitism regularly like he does, to not give a fair share of acceptance of the other side of this is just ignorant for me. All of the other side are just dismissed and probably in his eyes anti-Semites themselves.

 

And he's still a cunt too for that all conspiracism = anti-Semitism comment. How fucking stupid you have to be on that subject to believe that I can't get my head around. Maybe that's why I got a bit kneejerk, it's crazily wrong.

[Red Phoenix]

Chomsky bang on again :

 

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Chris Williamson has been suspended. 

 

Can anybody tell me which bit of the IHRA definition he's breached? Or has he just upset people for not agreeing with the narrative they're trying to push? 

[M_B]

49 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Chomsky bang on again :

 

 

 

 

 

But Chomsky promotes Holocaust denial. Rachel Riley said so.

 

[Scooby Dudek]

Trial by media and the PLP, if he is not thrown out of the party it will prove Corbyn is a jew hater. 

 

It will never be enough for them. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

He's apparently been suspended for being provocative towards (aka disagreeing with) the Jewish community (apart from the "wrong kind of/self-hating Jews")

 

He was a bit of a troll and his comment could've been better worded. But, he's essentially been suspended for not agreeing with the lie that Labour is "institutionally antisemitic." 

 

It sets a very dangerous precedent. 

[moof]

34 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Chris Williamson has been suspended. 

 

Can anybody tell me which bit of the IHRA definition he's breached? Or has he just upset people for not agreeing with the narrative they're trying to push? 

*sigh* 

 

Appeasement never works. 

[Strontium]

Timely repost of Oz Katerji's excellent article from last August.

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/middle-east/2018/08/labour-can-be-jo-cox-s-party-or-chris-williamson-s-it-cannot-be-both

[moof]

Oz fucking Katerji. You’ve really jumped the shark now you fucking nut

[Anubis]

12 minutes ago, moof said:

*sigh* 

 

Appeasement never works. 

Just ask the ‘Red’ Echo.

[Strontium]

Haha, how could I guess that a brilliant journalist like Katerji would not meet your approval.

 

I await your usual forensic takedown...

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Haha, how could I guess that a brilliant journalist like Katerji would not meet your approval.

 

I await your usual forensic takedown...

Take my balls down your throat 

[moof]

I’ve had personal dealings with Katerji. He’s completely unhinged. “Brilliant journalist” fuck the fuck off, nobhead. 

[Strontium]

Of course you have.

 

Feel free to address the argument rather than the man, any time you want.