FSG are not shit

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

That quote is for the shitness of modern football thread. Football should be measured in achievements on the pitch, yet here we are in our worst run of success since we returned to be top flight, getting all excited because some rich fella has shown he knows how to make money. 

Speak for yourself Sunshine - I am excited about having one of the best teams in the world again.

[Trumo]

Looking at those headline figures, we are in deep shit. Too many players on high wages and no resale value. Too many players about to hit 27 and fall off a cliff performance-wise. Our best players casting envious eyes at their counterparts in Madrid and Barcelona. Up to the eyeballs in debt. Stadium maxed out for revenue with no scope for further expansion. A kit deal that leaves us trailing in the dust of at least 4 other PL clubs, and unlikely to get much more from our next deal.

 

Meanwhile, Everton's future is bright. Wage-to-turnover is more than manageable despite being something like 80%. Moshi has converted their debt to equity, with Uncle Uzzy waiting in the wings to ride in and slap some serious money down on the table. A lot of players 27 or over but yet to hit their peak. Players from Barcelona casting envious glances at the pulling power of County Road and Rhyl. No debt despite what UK accounting standards require them to report. A new million-seater stadium with world class corporate facilities on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey about to undergo construction despite no official plans being put in place, never mind actual designs. More blue kits seen around the city meaning that they have more fans and more revenue potential than the redshite. And all that on a turnover of about £190m, which is about two and a half times less than what the redshite have lied about in their latest report.

 

Head well and truly fallen off.

 

Actually, what FSG and Klopp must take on board is that you can never assume the squad will be deep enough to cope with injuries. Keep players until the end of the season even if their playing time remains limited, especially in more specialist positions. And never underestimate the galvanising impact a mid-season signing can have on the team. We've seen it before with Van Dijk, Coutinho, Sturridge and Suarez under FSG, but you can also point to Mascherano under the previous regime, and Fowler's return along with Litmanen's signing in the Moores era. Even if the team has been doing well at the halfway point of the season, there is still room for someone new to make an impact.

[Barrington Womble]

3 hours ago, No2 said:

We're doing ok on the pitch.

This season we are. They've been here 8 years. They struck lucky with klopp, got him in because his personality would help sell the new stand when they could barely shift a hospitality ticket and it turns out he was brilliant at football management too. 

2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Speak for yourself Sunshine - I am excited about having one of the best teams in the world again.

See above. Once klopp has had his time (and he's indicated many times he just wants 7 years with us), we'll be fucked as the club is still full of non footballing people making all decisions, so any change in management will just be a random roll of the dice. But it won't matter as long as the money keep coming in. We run the squad as thinly as we can, we build our squad by selling players, it's not a recipe for long term good on the pitch. But again, that's not important , the capital value of the club is king. Their asset has increased 5 fold in value. We've won a league cup. 

[TheHowieLama]

We have been to three finals - I am sure your take on the path to those as well as their outcomes is that we just didn't have enough players.

[Numero Veinticinco]

FFS.

 

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

We have been to three finals - I am sure your take on the path to those as well as their outcomes is that we just didn't have enough players.

We got to the first 2 finals with Rogers squad, which was fucking shite and built on the back of selling suarez. We lost the European cup final last year because we were tight and wouldn't buy a goalkeeper and the squad was that thin klopp had asked could I go on the bench and it was only my late flight meant I couldn't. I'm not saying klopp is shite. He just has to do his job with one hand tied behind his back. We won't be so lucky again. 

[TheHowieLama]

You mean after this year? Cuz we have been pretty lucky so far right?

[3 Stacks]

12 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

He just has to do his job with one hand tied behind his back.

No he doesn't. This is something I have to ask every single time and I never get a satisfactory answer because it's bullshit, but do the people who hold this opinion think Klopp is an idiot? Or a masochist? Why is he under contract till 2022 and speaks positively non stop of the structure of the club if his job is so impossible?

 

[No2]

12 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

This season we are. They've been here 8 years. They struck lucky with klopp, got him in because his personality would help sell the new stand when they could barely shift a hospitality ticket and it turns out he was brilliant at football management too. 

 

We have been improving on and off the pitch for the last 4 of those 8 years. That's a trend that can't be disputed. What can be disputed is everything you have said about the manager.

[Barrington Womble]

32 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

You mean after this year? Cuz we have been pretty lucky so far right?

We've made no effort in the domestic cups, so it's lessened our workload. We were pretty jammy in the champions League. The league form is great, but the squad has started squeaking on the back of the December programme, which was entirely predictable as last year's squad wasn't big enough and we went 1 in 1 out the summer when it was clear the squad needed growing. 

[Barrington Womble]

35 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

No he doesn't. This is something I have to ask every single time and I never get a satisfactory answer because it's bullshit, but do the people who hold this opinion think Klopp is an idiot? Or a masochist? Why is he under contract till 2022 and speaks positively non stop of the structure of the club if his job is so impossible?

 

What are you talking about? He's paid 7m a year. Like most of us who go to work, we might prefer things to be different, but you get on with the job in hand. It's why he's paid 7m a year, because he's a belief in his own ability to make a feast out of a snack. In fact from everything he says, he prefers the challenge of trying to make more out of the little he has. 

[Barrington Womble]

35 minutes ago, No2 said:

We have been improving on and off the pitch for the last 4 of those 8 years. That's a trend that can't be disputed. What can be disputed is everything you have said about the manager.

Outside of the loans h&g took out to fiddle the club, we've been improving off the pitch since Moores sold up. We've been improving on the pitch since klopp arrived. Fsg have done fine to carry on the commercial work h&g started (Ian ayre would probably want to claim credit for it all under both regimes and just about everyone thinks he's a tit), but on the pitch they were fucking everything up till they got lucky with klopp.

 

As I mentioned a few posts back which started tbis, it's a shitness of modern football that we're measuring ourselves in turnover and not trophies. This is the worst 8 years of the club on the pitch since shanks brought us back to the top flight. But rich fellas know how to make money. Maybe we'll get a cup for that. The best profit cup. Or the biggest income from transfers cup. Hurray. 

[TheHowieLama]

Cheer up Wommer - at least you can not enjoy the few years before Klopp's contract runs out and the wheels come off.

[3 Stacks]

3 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

What are you talking about? He's paid 7m a year. Like most of us who go to work, we might prefer things to be different, but you get on with the job in hand. It's why he's paid 7m a year, because he's a belief in his own ability to make a feast out of a snack. In fact from everything he says, he prefers the challenge of trying to make more out of the little he has. 

Right, he's going to manage Liverpool for 7 years because of the salary. And you really managed to make Liverpool sound like a small club who don't spend anything. Great job. 

[Bad Red Bull]

FSG can't win.. if they get some things right, it's just pure luck. If they don't, curse them.

 

We are fighting for the title against arguably the best and most expensive squad ever assembled and people are saying we are riding our luck and debating about whether we are on the right track. Everyone makes mistakes, it's how we learn from them that defines us. I think FSG have learnt pretty well. Compare that to what's going on with other clubs apart from man City/ psg and to an extent Barca and real, and I think we have a strong structure in place. Most of it is due to Klopp but FSG targeted him before Rodgers and he didn't wanna come that time. If I appointment a game changer, I would want some credit for recognising if he was a proper fit or not. Look at how Sven Mislintat for arsenal, regarded as a coup but now out of the club. FSG deserve credit for giving Klopp a platform to implement his ideas on board and we are all the better for it.

[Numero Veinticinco]

One hand tied behind his back. Damn. Between 2016 and 2018 the poor cunt only got to buy:

 

MG/LK/DS/RK: £20m

Mane: £30m

Gini: £25m

Salah: £43m

Robbo: £10m

AOC: £35m

VVD: £75m (World Record)

Keita: £52m

Fabinho: £43m

Shaqiri: £12m

Alisson: £65m (World Record)

 

Perhaps we should get the donation plate out? 

 

 

 

 

 

[s(k)aturation]

 

I'm very pleased that FSG know how to make money.

It's hardly news.

What would be news is our winning a trophy.

I don't see what the big deal is about people not being too arsed about Liverpool as a business...

... at least, not until we win something as a football team again.

When we do, I promise to be very proud of FSG's Wall Streetness.

And I'm sure matchgoers like Baz will feel better about their seats at 60-70 quid a throw then too.

[Harry Squatter]

My negatives about them are:

 

We do not build a squad to compete in more than 2 competitions. We do not value the domestic cups. I know they don't bring in money like the CL and Premier league but it would be nice to win a trophy.

 

The Suarez race incident. 

 

The balls up about ticket prices and pissing off the fan base.

 

Being slow to announce an expansion of the embarrassing Anfield Road end. The demand is ridiculously high and the stadium still needs to be bigger.

 

Player recruitment in the early days as well as getting a manager with no experience of managing a big club.

 

No one bothering to come over for Gerrards last game. 

 

 

Positives:

 

Hiring Jurgen Klopp

 

Learning from past mistakes buying flavour of the month players and overpriced average ones.

 

Building the Main Stand. 

 

They appear to be more concerned than past owners about the regeneration of Anfield. Not much but still better than before. 

 

Expanding the academy.

 

Managing to rinse several clubs into paying us decent money for our unwanted players as well as getting a ridiculously high fee for Coutinho.

 

Securing our best players on long term contracts.

 

Growing the club commercially and bridging the gap between us and Arsenal for match day revenue. 

[Daisy]

I don't really see the rinsing of other clubs as a positive. 

 

It's more luck than judgement as all clubs have tons of money so the fees every club gets are insane. 

 

If Michael Edwards wasn't so high from sniffing his own shit then we could have got rid of 4/5 players last summer that haven't contributed at all this season and could have paid for Fekir or a defender. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Sell 5 players. From this squad!? Replace them with 1? 

 

Fucking hell. Are you a parody account?

[Daisy]

Mignolet 

Moreno

Markovic

Origi 

Lallana

 

Got us what 1 goal? Who knows what fekir could have done. 

 

But yeah agreed the squad is shit, FSG should not have let it get to this. 

[SlugTrail]

18 minutes ago, Mr pink said:

Mignolet 

Moreno

Markovic

Origi 

Lallana

 

Got us what 1 goal? Who knows what fekir could have done. 

 

But yeah agreed the squad is shit, FSG should not have let it get to this. 

We accepted offers for both Markovic and Origi but they  both turned down moves the others were too shit to shift. 

 

All them together would still only cover about 1/2 of a fee for Fekir and leave us without cover at GK and LB. What if we had got an injury in one of those positions? 

 

And before you say "but we didnt" hindsight is 20/20 but you can't plan with it.

 

You are a real negative cunt who adds no value to this forum, either think before you type or go support Everton you Rhyl dwelling cunt 

[Numero Veinticinco]

31 minutes ago, Mr pink said:

Mignolet 

Moreno

Markovic

Origi 

Lallana

 

Got us what 1 goal? Who knows what fekir could have done. 

 

But yeah agreed the squad is shit, FSG should not have let it get to this. 

Should they have forced Klopp to buy players he didn't want? Also, should we go into debt for player, like Leeds?

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 minutes ago, SlugTrail said:

You are a real negative cunt who adds no value to this forum, either think before you type or go support Everton you Rhyl dwelling cunt 

[No2]

10 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

Outside of the loans h&g took out to fiddle the club, we've been improving off the pitch since Moores sold up. We've been improving on the pitch since klopp arrived. Fsg have done fine to carry on the commercial work h&g started (Ian ayre would probably want to claim credit for it all under both regimes and just about everyone thinks he's a tit), but on the pitch they were fucking everything up till they got lucky with klopp.

 

As I mentioned a few posts back which started tbis, it's a shitness of modern football that we're measuring ourselves in turnover and not trophies. This is the worst 8 years of the club on the pitch since shanks brought us back to the top flight. But rich fellas know how to make money. Maybe we'll get a cup for that. The best profit cup. Or the biggest income from transfers cup. Hurray. 

There isn't any point continuing the conversation if you think Hicks &Gillette deserve credit for the finances and they got lucky making the most important decision they made in 8 years.