Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Bruce Spanner]

1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

That stings. The rest of it is water off a duck's back but yes it should be cause not course. I am ashamed. 

I bet you would have been hauled over the coals at The Spectator for that, eh, Micheal? 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

 

 

 

Yeah I posted the bank of England report earlier. Inflation rising for a short time from 2.5 to 4% which is obviously a 1.5% hike, so approx less than a two quid loss for every hundred for a short period and then back down to two per cent, that's if them figures and forecasts are correct, at the mo it's all conjecture. 

 

 

Also the German inflation rate is almost identical to ours 2.3"% and rising. Their economy is ok and they're obviously in the EU.  So basically all this nonsense over inflation rates with regards to the eu is eh pretty much nonsense.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-economy-unemployment-idUSKCN2DD2QC

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

We need a separate thread on monetary policy. Bit of a niche taste but it takes all sorts. I personally think quantitive easing has done more to increase social inequality and favour the wealthy than any policy in the last 50 years.  

I've got to disagree there but that's another matter.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Well it’s led to a bubble in UK house prices and shares mainly owned by the wealthy. A lot of people don’t realise the extent that QE has impacted the economy in favour of asset owners. I think it’s a terrible policy. 

 I take your point on house prices, they seem to be the main driver of the British economy and its not good and not sustainable.

[Bruce Spanner]

Kurtz just asked me to stop sharing his blog posts, articles from the Spectator, his vested interests in all of this shit because his business model isn’t supported by the existing subsidies structure for his very lucrative business’ via PM.

 

I’m willing to do that for him ‘cause I’m nice and stuff.

 

Problem with the internet is that it’s all joined up and shit.

 

Anyhows my flight takes off in five and I’m out of the loop for a while, I look forward to the replies…

 

 

 

 

[Dr Nowt]

Well well well. While Gnasher has been desperately trying to smear a true, dyed in the wool, lifelong Labour member, Union man and socialist like Angry with ‘Thatcher’ this, ‘Cruz’ that, plus all the transparently snide lack of faith, knowingly misrepresenting someone cuntery about ‘right-wingers on the forum’ just ideologically not liking poorer people getting payrises - mid-debating the issue with Angry - and all the while the Richard Keys to his Andy Gray trying to bait Angry on this thread is a fucking Spectator columnist? Say it ain’t so? What a daft fat cunt.

 

Random Twitter non-sequiturs/opinion articles presented as incontrovertible scientific evidence/slurs about education levels incoming.

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Well well well. While Gnasher has been desperately trying to smear a true dyed in the wool, lifelong Labour member, Union man and socialist like Angry with Thatcher this, Cruz that, plus all the transparently snide lack of faith cuntery about ‘right-wingers on the forum’ - mid-debating the issue with Angry - just ideologically not liking poorer people getting payrises, and all the while the Richard Keys to his Andy Gray trying to bait Angry on this thread is a fucking Spectator columnist. Say it ain’t so.

 

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[Gnasher]

23 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Well well well. While Gnasher has been desperately trying to smear a true, dyed in the wool, lifelong Labour member, Union man and socialist like Angry with ‘Thatcher’ this, ‘Cruz’ that, plus all the transparently snide lack of faith, knowingly misrepresenting someone cuntery about ‘right-wingers on the forum’ just ideologically not liking poorer people getting payrises - mid-debating the issue with Angry - and all the while the Richard Keys to his Andy Gray trying to bait Angry on this thread is a fucking Spectator columnist? Say it ain’t so? What a daft fat cunt.

 

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Nah you're just a cowardly little cunt. 

[Gnasher]

19 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

And here come de lads..

[Rico1304]

Come to the dark side Gnasher, use the hate, feel it flow, embrace it. 
 

Looks like we’ve recruited another one! 
 

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Come to the dark side Gnasher, use the hate, feel it flow, embrace it. 
 

Looks like we’ve recruited another one! 
 

I'm already on the dark side Rico.   but oh poor Angry, but he'll be ok he's got Benny Bollock on board. 

 

Anyway if the mans veiws on inflation are identical to Ted Cruz that's his fucking problem.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Dr Nowt said:

Well well well. While Gnasher has been desperately trying to smear a true, dyed in the wool, lifelong Labour member, Union man and socialist like Angry with ‘Thatcher’ this, ‘Cruz’ that, plus all the transparently snide lack of faith, knowingly misrepresenting someone cuntery about ‘right-wingers on the forum’ just ideologically not liking poorer people getting payrises - mid-debating the issue with Angry - and all the while the Richard Keys to his Andy Gray trying to bait Angry on this thread is a fucking Spectator columnist? Say it ain’t so? What a daft fat cunt.

 

Random Twitter non-sequiturs/opinion articles presented as incontrovertible scientific evidence/slurs about education levels incoming.

Here's Angry    I mean Ted,  it's a fucking time bomb Benny

 

 

[Gnasher]

The approx temporary 1.5% rise in inflation is the equivalent to an approximate £10 weekly goods rise to someone earning 40 - 50 thousand pounds per year....

 

Yet some on the economic right (they are not socialists) believe this to be enough of a reason (as does Ted Cruz over America) to balk at some of the poorest people in our society gaining a 9% pay rise, a rise which could be the difference between a homeless person (figures say 10% of uk homeless are in full time work, another 20% work part time) affording secure and safe accommodation or staying on the streets...

 

https://www.etuc.org/en/pressrelease/pay-rises-needed-work-poverty-rises-12-eu

 

A mate of mine who works for Shelter has assured me the situation has become far worse than when this article was penned..

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/20/working-homeless-britain-economy-minimum-wage-zero-hours

 

[Bruce Spanner]

 

[Kepler-186]

Kurtz the wrong side of the DMZ.

 

He’s close. Real close.

 

 

[Gnasher]

Anyone remember this mob? ..

 

Or 'cough' anyone remember their policies?

[Gnasher]

So let's get this right. Italy, Spain and France are imo understandably pushing for a change of EU rules to ease the purse strings however the right wing Austrian government are forming a resistance...

 

Some did warn of the dangers of EU expansion...

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/austria-digs-in-ahead-of-eu-deficit-battle/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 05/08/2021 at 08:29, Gnasher said:

 

You need to take your head out of the sand Angry.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-hiring-surged-june-economy-reopened-ons-2021-07-15/

 

Also, upsetting yourself over 2.5% - 3.9% interest rates is bizarre.

 

As the evidence I've produced shows, the States are doing fine, Germany ditto...both have higher interest rates than us..

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-economy-unemployment-idUSKCN2DD2QC

Somebody used the word "Panglossian". It's absolutely the right word.

 

Gnasher, I'm glad you're happy in your little world.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Ayway if the mans veiws on inflation are identical to Ted Cruz that's his fucking problem.

You're embarrassing yourself. Stop flaunting your stupidity.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Yet some on the economic right (they are not socialists) believe this to be enough of a reason (as does Ted Cruz over America) to balk at some of the poorest people in our society gaining a 9% pay rise, a rise which could be the difference between a homeless person (figures say 10% of uk homeless are in full time work, another 20% work part time) affording secure and safe accommodation or staying on the streets...

 

https://www.etuc.org/en/pressrelease/pay-rises-needed-work-poverty-rises-12-eu

 

A mate of mine who works for Shelter has assured me the situation has become far worse than when this article was penned..

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/20/working-homeless-britain-economy-minimum-wage-zero-hours

 

It's mad how often I have to say this to you, but stop arguing against stuff that nobody here is saying. It makes you look stupid, at best.

[Gnasher]

On 03/08/2021 at 22:00, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You do know there's no correlation there at all, don't you? Nobody gives a fuck about rich people threatening to leave, because frankly we could do without them.

 

People rightly worry about inflation, because it hits poorer people hardest: well-off people can absorb a 4% increase in the cost of things

 

"A 4% increase" is the above you Angry or was your account hacked. Their is no 4% increase Angry, no one in the whole wide world is predicting a 4% increase, its a possible 1.5% increase which will take us to 4%. 

 

You made a big smarmy play about being good with figures Angry so go on how much does a possible 1.5% increase in goods take from a person earning 25 grand a year?

On 03/08/2021 at 22:00, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

and they also have a level of discretionary spending that they can cut back on; poorer people are already spending every penny they can get on essentials. How would you explain to them that a rise in the cost of those essentials is a good thing?

 

You are using a miniscule 1.5 % raise in inflation to argue against approx 9% wage increases for the low paid Angry. 

 

Cant you see why most on the center and left (Biden for one) believe small temporary increases in inflation are far less important than wage rises, growth and employment?

[Gnasher]

47 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Somebody used the word "Panglossian". It's absolutely the right word.

 

Gnasher, I'm glad you're happy in your little world.

I'm fine in my little world Angry, I'm up Aigburth next week to see my cousins for the first time in what seems an age because of this bastard Covid and I'm looking forward to it (not sure if they are though)

[Gnasher]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

"A 4% increase" is the above you Angry or was your account hacked. Their is no 4% increase Angry, no one in the whole wide world is predicting a 4% increase, its a possible 1.5% increase which will take us to 4%. 

 

You made a big smarmy play about being good with figures Angry so go on how much does a possible 1.5% increase in goods take from a person earning 25 grand a year?

 

You are using a miniscule 1.5 % raise in inflation to argue against approx 9% wage increases for the low paid Angry. 

 

Cant you see why most on the center and left (Biden for one) believe small temporary increases in inflation are far less important than wage rises, growth and employment?

Anyway never mind your 4% inflation increase invention or your smarmy retorts, this is why pay rises are absoulutley essential now. 4 million British workers in poverty..

 

From a few years ago, 'low paid workers in retail, shops, hotels, hospitality fueling the increase' 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/04/four-million-british-workers-live-in-poverty-charity-says

 

Edit... and why Biden over the States is dismissing their 5.5 inflation rate and is going with jobs and growth..

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-22/biden-says-u-s-seeing-near-term-inflation-as-economy-recovers

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

to argue against approx 9% wage increases for the low paid Angry. 

When and where have I done that?

 

I want workers to get real-terms pay increases; i.e. increases above the rate of inflation.

[Gnasher]

Freedom of speech issue within certain unions?

 

 

 

Edit; the issue is not individual's like Embury but how widespread this muzzling of veiws is, within our unions.