Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Most forecasts predict inflation at below the 5% mark till 2026... So nothing whatsoever to worry about.

 

 

Spoken like a smug, well-off cunt. "Nothing for me to worry about."

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Most forecasts predict inflation at below the 5% mark till 2026... So nothing whatsoever to worry about.

 

 

Am I getting this right?

 

5% pay rise = A great day for workers everywhere.

 

5% inflation = Nothing.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Spoken like a smug, well-off cunt. "Nothing for me to worry about."

Im not a smug well off cunt Angry. I'm just giving the forecasts and most forecasts suggest their is little to worry about regarding the UK inflation rate.

 

I'd be surprised if inflation went above the 4% you mention any time soon tbh. Worth noting that inflation is also rising slightly over the States and they're doing OK.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Im not a smug well off cunt Angry. I'm just giving the forecasts and most forecasts suggest their is little to worry about regarding the UK inflation rate.

 

I'd be surprised if inflation went above the 4% you mention any time soon tbh. Worth noting that inflation is also rising slightly over the States and they're doing OK.

No. No. No. No. No.

 

Most of the forecasts do not say there's little to worry about. Most of the forecasts say it's likely to hit about 4% - it's up to you whether you worry about it (and that depends on how much of a fuck you give about the people who undoubtedly will be hit hard by it).

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Am I getting this right?

 

5% pay rise = A great day for workers everywhere.

 

5% inflation = Nothing.

In a word no. No you haven't got that right. 

 

If inflation spirals out of control it'll cause problems but small controllable rises in inflation are normally the sign of a robust and healthy economy. Absolutely nothing to worry about. 

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No. No. No. No. No.

 

Most of the forecasts do not say there's little to worry about. Most of the forecasts say it's likely to hit about 4% - it's up to you whether you worry about it (and that depends on how much of a fuck you give about the people who undoubtedly will be hit hard by it).

So you're suggesting we should be worried about inflation rising just over a percentage point from approx 2.5% to approx 3.5 - 4% ?

 

Oh give over. 

[Mudface]

13 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No. No. No. No. No.

 

Most of the forecasts do not say there's little to worry about. Most of the forecasts say it's likely to hit about 4% - it's up to you whether you worry about it (and that depends on how much of a fuck you give about the people who undoubtedly will be hit hard by it).

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-inflation-hit-39-early-2022-niesr-forecasts-2021-08-02/

 

Which will necessitate a rise in interest rates to bring it down to the 2% target, with consequent knock on effects on mortgages and rents, student loans, borrowing etc.

[Gnasher]

So from Mugfaces figures above inflation to hit below 4% before falling back below 3%. 

 

Absolutely no issues unless you write for the daily mail.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

How would you explain to them [poorer people who are only just coping] that a rise in the cost of those essentials is a good thing?

 

23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Oh give over. 

Are you quite sure you're not a horrible cunt? Because the stuff you've written in the last few pages really makes you come across as a horrible cunt.

 

Re-read the last few pages, have a think about it and then try to explain why inflation is a good thing.

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

Are you quite sure you're not a horrible cunt? Because the stuff you've written in the last few pages really makes you come across as a horrible cunt.

 

Re-read the last few pages, have a think about it and then try to explain why inflation is a good thing.

Inflation is a good thing because it shows the economy is robust.

 

As for the horrible cunt thing I'm not one of the cunts throwing buckets of cold water on the poorest people in Britain getting a pay rise because of Covid and Brexit, the first pay rise many of these people have had since the economic crash.

 

Your the ones spouting the low inflation, low wage, large worker pool, stagnant growth, EU working methods, right wing economic policy, not me... which leads to the below, 

 

1..Well off Labour Party members give very lukewarm response to not very well off workers on low wages getting pay rise.

 

2.. Well off Labour Party members scratch head when  not very well off workers tell well off Labour Party members to go fuck themselves at every general election. 

 

Which leads to Conservative governments.

[skend04]

35 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

Are you quite sure you're not a horrible cunt? Because the stuff you've written in the last few pages really makes you come across as a horrible cunt.

 

Re-read the last few pages, have a think about it and then try to explain why inflation is a good thing.

Of course he is. He thinks Eastern Europe is chock full of cheap labour stealing our jobs. He laughs at food waste when people go to bed starving everyday and he thinks inflation is wonderful when only sectors where there's a massive shortage of labour are offering signing on bonuses.

 

In short he's an Abstaining Tory Brexit Cunt 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Inflation is a good thing because it shows the economy is robust.

 

As for the horrible cunt thing I'm not one of the cunts throwing buckets of cold water on the poorest people in Britain getting a pay rise because of Covid and Brexit, the first pay rise many of these people have had since the economic crash.

That first sentence is a Daily Telegraph headline. It really is fuck all consolation to poor people who can't pay their bills or their rent or who see their jobs at risk because their employers are being hit with higher costs. So, again, what do you say to those people (bearing in mind that only a horrible cunt would say "suck it up, the economy is robust").

 

Also, of course, when inflation is caused by shortages, it's really not a sign of a robust economy.

 

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Your the ones spouting the low inflation, low wage, large worker pool, stagnant growth, EU working methods, right wing economic policy, not me...

 

which leads to the below, 

 

1..Well off Labour Party members give very lukewarm response to not very well off workers on low wages getting pay rise.

 

2.. Well off Labour Party members scratch head when  not very well off workers tell well off Labour Party members to go fuck themselves at every general election. 

 

Which leads to Conservative governments.

Nobody here is advocating right-wing policies, as you fucking well know.

 

Those two scenarios you've pulled out of your arse are pure fiction, too.

[Gnasher]

You can't have Labour Party members not getting fully behind pay rises for the poorest people in Britain, it doesn't look good and that's the look that's being given out.

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That first sentence is a Daily Telegraph headline. It really is fuck all consolation to poor people who can't pay their bills or their rent or who see their jobs at risk because their employers are being hit with higher costs. So, again, what do you say to those people (bearing in mind that only a horrible cunt would say "suck it up, the economy is robust").

 

Also, of course, when inflation is caused by shortages, it's really not a sign of a robust economy.

 

Nobody here is advocating right-wing policies, as you fucking well know.

 

Those two scenarios you've pulled out of your arse are pure fiction, too.

Angry by your own figures it's only an approx 1per cent inflation rise, its really very little to worry about. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That first sentence is a Daily Telegraph headline. It really is fuck all consolation to poor people who can't pay their bills or their rent or who see their jobs at risk because their employers are being hit with higher costs. So, again, what do you say to those people (bearing in mind that only a horrible cunt would say "suck it up, the economy is robust").

 

Also, of course, when inflation is caused by shortages, it's really not a sign of a robust economy.

 

Nobody here is advocating right-wing policies, as you fucking well know.

 

Those two scenarios you've pulled out of your arse are pure fiction, too.

Cummings and Cain did not only park tanks on the Labour Party lawn but by taking away free movement they put wage rises in the pockets of the low paid. He was a clever cunt and for the sake of the Labour Party I'm glad he's gone.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 31/07/2021 at 15:03, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Off the top of my head...

 

Inflation is an obvious one (caused by shortages of goods, etc, not by increased wages).  A 5% pay rise doesn't really leave you 5% better off.  This will especially hurt hospitality, as the majority of workers aren't getting above-inflation pay rises, so they'll have to cut back on non-essentials.  One of the articles you linked to also suggested that inflation would be likely to lead to an interest rate rise, which could be catastrophic for people and businesses who have loans, mortgages and/or credit cards.

 

Job losses.  Some businesses just won't survive the shortages (because failure to meet orders, etc, will lose them customers). 

 

More power to the multinationals.   The shops, pubs, hotels, etc. least able to survive the current disruption will be the small independents; Tesco & Wetherspoon's will be the winners here.

 

Technological changes.  Through the pandemic, employers have had to develop ways of providing services that don't rely on staff (because staff have not been available).  They will now realise it's cheaper not to employ people. 

 

Policy changes.  We've already seen abusive practices like fire & rehire or the suspension of safety regulations in respect of working hours. We can expect much more of that, together with a further tightening of the already-unjust benefits sanctions system, to starve people into work. 

 

There's probably more, but that will do for now.

We've had four days of Gnasher failing to understand the first word of the first of my examples of downsides to the current shortages of goods. I dread to think what it will take for him to understand the full post.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Cummings and Cain did not only park tanks on the Labour Party lawn but by taking away free movement they put wage rises in the pockets of the low paid. He was a clever cunt and for the sake of the Labour Party I'm glad he's gone.

What pay rises did the Tories give anyone?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Angry by your own figures it's only an approx 1per cent inflation rise, its really very little to worry about. 

You don't understand numbers, do you?

 

It's 4%. Four is more than one.  It's also a big chunk out of the sector-specific rises you love to wank over and it's more than the rises most workers are being offered.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You can't have Labour Party members not getting fully behind pay rises for the poorest people in Britain, it doesn't look good and that's the look that's being given out.

Nobody is"not getting fully behind" them as you fucking well know, you lying helmet.

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You don't understand numbers, do you?

 

It's 4%. Four is more than one.  It's also a big chunk out of the sector-specific rises you love to wank over and it's more than the rises most workers are being offered.

The current rate is not 0% Angry. Inflation is not going to rise by 3.9% its going to rise to 3.9% so a leap of just over 1%.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/why-does-inflation-worry-the-right-so-much

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Nobody is"not getting fully behind" them as you fucking well know, you lying helmet.

Well the response has been fucking lukewarm at best.

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

What pay rises did the Tories give anyone?

The tories give out nothing as you know, the system of leaving the EU, added to Covid gave pay rises to many on low incomes

 

[Gnasher]

Inflation is an imaginary right wing beast, don't listen to the daily mail... nothing to fear..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/13/gdp-rises-and-suddenly-everyones-afraid-of-the-big-bad-inflation-beast

 

 

Over the States a gallup poll showed a whopping 60% of yanks believe the economy is thriving. Inflation recently hit a thirteen year high....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/13/us-hit-13-year-high-last-month

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The current rate is not 0% Angry. Inflation is not going to rise by 3.9% its going to rise to 3.9% so a leap of just over 1%.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/why-does-inflation-worry-the-right-so-much

Like I say - you don't understand numbers. If you want to frame it as a change in the rate of inflation, them 3% to 4% is a 33.333% change. But nobody frames it that way, because that would be daft. The way inflation is experienced in the real world is that the money you have to pay out increased year on year and if - as is happening right now for most working people - the money coming in isn't rising by at least the same rate, then you're fucked.

 

Still, you crack on telling working class people that that's not a problem, while trying to lecture Labour Party members on how to win working class votes.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

47 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The tories give out nothing as you know, the system of leaving the EU, added to Covid gave pay rises to many on low incomes

 

Right. So when you said Cummings and Cain put pay rises in people's pockets, you meant they didn't. Right ho.