Rafa Benitez may be available on Monday.

[Red Nick]

Fucking hell the Rafa appologists still at it even when he is not at the club anymore.

 

Well you beloved is about to be replaced once more and after 12 games with the best team in Europe

[Juan Galonso]

Eh? Where is my hypocrisy? I desperately wanted Rafa gone, desperately didnt want Hodgson appointed and desperately want Hodgson sacked. Please point out my hypocrisy there.

 

You're the one saying "He's gone, get over it" only 4 hours ago on this forum and proceed to write paragaph after paragraph after paragraph on him. And all this while completely ignoring us getting battered at Stoke.

 

And I wont even start on your "Its ok to abuse Benitez but not Hodgson" policy. Your lack of self awareness is absolutely remarkable.

 

The nasty, bileous shite you have given Hodgson has been consistently worse than anybody else on this forum to be honest. So it really doesn't become you to have a go at me for hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness to be honest. You may even have a point but I will be fucked if you of all people are the person who is going to lecture me for it.

[Wee-bey]

Somebody fetch the land rover from round the back, i'll get the tyre and the petrol.

 

I had no idea Winnie Mandela was a red.

[usernameunknown]

The nasty, bileous shite you have given Hodgson has been consistently worse than anybody else on this forum to be honest. So it really doesn't become you to have a go at me for hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness to be honest.

 

Do you even know what the word hypocrite means? How is abusing Hodgson being a hypocrite?

 

Today 6.42pm

He's gone, get over it.

 

You couldnt make it up!

 

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/2546234-post3290.html

[Juan Galonso]

Every case has it's merits and should be viewed on them.

 

Yep, that is fair point. There is 4 points difference between the managers starts here apparently. Not a chasm like is it? Considering who walked into the better, or more stable, if you like situation as well it most certainly wasn't Hodgson.

 

If Roy goes tomorrow then it will be a shrugging of the shoulders from me, I wouldn't be overly bothered but I am not going to call for his head either. NESV will take their time to get the right appointment and if that means Roy until the end of the season then so be it.

 

EDIT: Just discovered Serie A two games less than the Premier League.

[Liverpool lad]

Why did Alonso leave?

[Tyler Durden]

Yep, that is fair point. There is 4 points difference between the managers starts here apparently. Not a chasm like is it? Considering who walked into the better, or more stable, if you like situation as well it most certainly wasn't Hodgson.

 

If Roy goes tomorrow then it will be a shrugging of the shoulders from me, I wouldn't be overly bothered but I am not going to call for his head either. NESV will take their time to get the right appointment and if that means Roy until the end of the season then so be it.

 

I think their hand will be forced, if he is in charge untill May then we will be lucky to finish in the UEFA cup places

[Iantn]

Yep, that is fair point. There is 4 points difference between the managers starts here apparently. Not a chasm like is it? Considering who walked into the better, or more stable, if you like situation as well it most certainly wasn't Hodgson.

 

If Roy goes tomorrow then it will be a shrugging of the shoulders from me, I wouldn't be overly bothered but I am not going to call for his head either. NESV will take their time to get the right appointment and if that means Roy until the end of the season then so be it.

 

But to value each case on it's merits you simply can't compare situations.

 

For me it's like saying Rafa shouldn't have been removed from the job because Hodgson hasn't worked. It's just proper nonsencial that.

 

I know what you are trying to say though mate but if we'd have performed in some games and looked lost in others like Inter have so far this season then Hodgson would probably be getting the benefit of the doubt. It's not the case though and we have been for a significant chunk of the season woeful. Even by some of the standards set during the last 20 years this has been woeful.

[TheResonator]

Some classic stuff here. I'm very surprised the 'he's gone; get over it brigade' are following his progress at Inter Milan. Sometimes I think the only way we'll be able to stop talking about Benitez is if he is sacked from his new job, quits football completely, and runs off to live in the mountains somewhere.

 

Even then, many years after his last reported sighting, I can envisage two hikers wandering off trail in the Chilean foothills as dusk sets in, their maps becoming harder to read when they see the tin-roof and roughshod wooden walls of a hermit's retreat. As they move closer they perceive an aging and dishevelled man hunched over a small chalkboard, frantically attaching directional lines to eleven nodes and scribbling in a worn notebook. As they move closer, one of the travellers utters a gasp of surprise: "Oh my God... it's Rafa Benitez.''

 

At first he is startled and looks up wide-eyed, then he stands and walks towards them. They see he isn't wearing any shoes. At last, he speaks: "Yes, gentlemen, it is me, Rafa Benitez, former coach of Valencia, Liverpool and Inter, unsighted for many years, presumed dead, living alone in a derelict retreat miles from civilization in a country I have no tangible connection to. You have every right to be surprised -''

 

''No, Rafa, no," he is cut off by the hiker, "that wasn't why I gasped..."

 

"Then why, my son?"

 

"Twenty million for Aquilani, an injured player from Italy to replace Alonso... it just didn't make sense"

"And there was Dossena," his compatriot will chime in, "and the Keane situation, Dossena, zonal marking, losing the dressing room..."

 

... and nobody will be any the wiser until two corpses inscribed with 'net spend' turn up.

[Iantn]

Why did Alonso leave?

 

Someone must have been a cunt at some point. It's how it seems to work.

[Cantrell20]

Juan Galonso

 

At the same stage two seasons ago Mourinho was seating 4th at the table, last year after similar run of games he was behind the leaders as well - they occupied 3rd spot back then. The whole talk of Milito is ridiculous - he's been injured throughout the wole campaign so far, today sub was forced by injury. Funny thing, not many people focus on Eto'o, who already scored more goals than all last season combined. Moratti said so far this season, that Rafa job is much harder than the one of Mourinho, because the oldest team of Serie A, the oldest one, that has ever graced a Milan derby, hasn't got the hunger of last season and is already fullfilled. In addition, and I'm not kidding now, Inter situation in terms of injuries resembles Liverpool of last season. Spanish medical staff, which joined Benitez from Liverpool, is already strongly critisiced. Rafa main sin tends to be stubborness and unfortunately he keeps making schoolboy mistakes in the area of injuries. Against Lecce and Brescia Inter had all their central midfielders injured. ALL OF THEM. Sneijder, Muntari, Mariga, Cambiasso, Stankovic and Motta. Even Zanetti gets injured frequently, like against Palermo, under Rafa. Pandev and Milito were virtually sidelined for two months. Sneijder and Milito are healthy now, but they play through the pain barrier and against medical advice. Maicon injured as well, Samuel out till the end of the season. even first choice goalie is on sidelines. What's more, Benitez has to stick to Zanetti and two teenagers in the middle, which is laughable, when you think of the quality they have in the centre of the park. I read Arrigo Sacchi column in Gazzetta, Luigi Simoni interviews, Jamies Horncastle column in football-italia.net - all of them say Inter face an unprecedented amount of injuries, bigger than any other club in the league. Inter are weaker than one year ago - less hunger, much more injuries (Sneijder anemia to make the matters worse), loss of subs like Quaresma or Balotelli and face stronger Milan, which invested in the summer, Boateng, Ibrahimovic and Robinho being marquee signings. We'll see how Rafa will turn it around and if he is given a chance, so far he is underachieving in the league, but doing much better in the Champions League than his predecessor. Mourinho had serious problems with progressing out of the group stages in two consecutive years, including loss to Panathinaikos at San Siro two years ago. Twice he saved his job and he was under real scrutiny back then - Moratti pointed out, that Jose had some money to invest. Rafa hasn't. Jose, apart from doing a brilliant job at Inter, splashed over 50 million on Mancini, Muntari,Quaresma and Obinna. Already Rafa scored more than 3 goals in the Champions League 2, Mourinho has never done it at Inter, only once at Chelsea. Rafa has done it 6 times in last 6 years, six times more than Mourinho then. His games against Werder and Tottenham (mostly first half) were named among 3 best of Italian footy in Europe in last 5 years. 3 of 4 best results in terms of most passes in the build up before scoring a goal belong to Inter this season, including absolutely sensational 34 ahead of Stankovic goal vs Spurs (Argentina had "only" 25 in World Cup 2006, Barca record this season is 18 ). Rafa is struggling a bit, no matter what RAWKists say, he isn't Mourinho, but he deals with quite many circumstances, like countless injuries, stronger Milan and Juve, which invested around 60 million pounds in the summer, with far better coaches than Leonardo and Ferrara now, than Mourinho had to in his final season. In the second round of last season Inter were doing even worse than now and won the title on the final day of the season, so all in garden wasn't roses. Still, Rafa has to raise his coaching skills to maintain Inter job.

[Code]

Why did Alonso leave?

 

Thats it, I`m off to bed.

[Anubis]

Again, to be fair, this is a thread about Rafa Benitez, and the original poster is begging for his return:

 

That's just it, the O/P isn't. He's taking a pop at Benitez. So it was another pointless thread, leading to another pointless debate, none of which changes our current difficulties.

[Code]

Juan Galonso

 

At the same stage two seasons ago Mourinho was seating 4th at the table, last year after similar run of games he was behind the leaders as well

 

Bullshit, he was first after 12 games both his seasons with 27 and 29 points.

 

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[Juan Galonso]

Do you even know what the word hypocrite means? How is abusing Hodgson being a hypocrite?

 

Today 6.42pm

 

 

You couldnt make it up!

 

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/2546234-post3290.html

 

Because you seem content to keep using this get out clause, not just on me either by being at pains to say you wanted Rafa out as though it gives you cart-blanche to give Hodgson the most appalling abuse on here which takes some doing.

 

I was in that thread talking about Roy Hodgson, you know the current manager of Liverpool Football Club until someone made a cheap reference about Rafa and last season on a thread about Roy Hodgson. So I responded. Simple really. The hypocrisy label should be levelled at the people who bring up the ex-manager on a thread about the current manager wouldn't you say?

[usernameunknown]

Because you seem content to keep using this get out clause, not just on me either by being at pains to say you wanted Rafa out as though it gives you cart-blanche to give Hodgson the most appalling abuse on here which takes some doing.

 

I was in that thread talking about Roy Hodgson, you know the current manager of Liverpool Football Club until someone made a cheap reference to Rafa on a thread about Roy Hodgson. So I responded. Simple really.

 

What happened to "he's gone, get over it"? You write that almost daily yet today have written what, 20 paragraphs on the man? Whats the story there, is it he's gone get over it or not? I cant understand how you're more concerned with Inter's manager than ours, I find it utterly bizarre.

 

"the most appalling abuse", haha, I call him a cunt and a couple of other names, childish yes, appalling no, I dont remember wishing him dead, calling him a rapist or anything like that, perhaps you need to get out more if a few names upset you so much. Though interestingly you didnt seem to have the slightest problem with the likes of ATK (sorry for the name drop) calling the man a cunt last season. Theres that famous hypocrisy of yours again!

[Thants]

There used to be respect for our managers.

Football's changed.

[Cantrell20]

Alonso debate is pointless. No one is untouchable in the team and Alonso was struggling fot one year to say the least, I would even say that his decline started in 2006. The idea of replacing him with Gareth Barry was pointless and unjustified. Some Spanish journalists say, that Rafa wanted to replace Alonso with Barry and then buy Silva instead of Riera (according to Valencian Superdeporte newspaper the deal was all but done), but it doesn't justify poor aquisition that Barry would certainly turn out to be. What many people forget about is Rafa wanted to sell Alonso in 2008, not 2009. Alonso wasn't forced out of the club, he left virtually handing in a transfer request. If there was no offer from Real Madrid, I doubt he would ever leave. Just a new challenge. I can't remember that many on these boards complaining on the idea of selling Alonso in 2008. He raised his game in last season for the club and was fantastic back then, but was nowhere near this level excrpt for his first season here. Blaming Rafa for selling Alonso is pointless, as Alonso wished to leave in 2009, not Rafa wanted him out. As Italian press recently reported, Rafa wanted to sign TWO PLAYERS TO REPLACE ALONSO. Never wanted to buy solely Aquilani, even though, as talented player as he is, his aquisition was poot at the time. Still, Stevan Jovetic was lined up then, available for 12 million pounds, worth around twice that now. Just like Alves, Ramsey, Ljajic, Vidic, Pato, Higuain and Aguero. Blaming Rafa for sale of Alonso (few of his slaters mention, that he was the one who actually signed him) is as ridiculous as blaming Benitez for Benayoun departure. Benayoun was fed up with the coach, fair enough. So why did he leave if Rafa was not here anymore? He just got the better offer. Just like Alonso. It's more difficult to have long lasting servants as Hamann and Hyypia under Rafa, because simply, Rafa players were wanted by bigger clubs than Liverpool now. Arbeloa and Benayoun are unique in this group, as I can't recall a SINGLE player signed by Ged from a relegation fodder who turned out to be good enough to play for a better team than Liverpool. Aquilani to Juventus (second best midfielder in the league according to La Gazzetta Dello Sport now), Mascherano to Barca, Benny Onion to Chelsea. With Johnson, Torres, Kuyt, Reina, Skrtel, Agger also on the radar of other top clubs. Not to mention Arbeloa and Alonso, signed from mediocre Spanish teams and playing for Real Madrid now, just 1.5 year ago being Livepool players. Indeed, poor team Rafa left. Just imagine how many we could sell to big clubs in 2004.

[Guest TesticleOReilly]

Cantrell, you missed the bit where, when Alonso was originally for sale, no-one wanted him, which is why he was still here for the start of the season. Don't say that on here, tho', people don't like it.

[Thants]

The man has no return key. I say man but he speaks like a woman.

[Cantrell20]

Are you on glue?

 

Tell me when I'm wrong and when spinned the facts to serve my agenda. I do admit, I drank a few bevvies, around 6-7, but still can press enter, so will keep on enlightening our "knowledgeable" fanbase. Pick up some stuff from my post and we will discuss it then.

 

Cheers

[Thants]

Alonso was never shit from Aug to Christmas 2006 either. This forum buried that truth.

[chauncey]

With all the effort he put into getting rid, does anyone honestly believe Carra would countenance his return? :whistle:

[Code]

Tell me when I'm wrong and when spinned the facts to serve my agenda. I do admit, I drank a few bevvies, around 6-7, but still can press enter, so will keep on enlightening our "knowledgeable" fanbase. Pick up some stuff from my post and we will discuss it then.

 

Cheers

 

I just pointed it out for you, then you start another post filled with nonsense.

 

Take a rest.

[Cantrell20]

Thanks to Ged departure and appointment at Lyon a year later I got very into French footy, now I follow Serie A and can draw many funny conclusions. One of them, Andrea Dossena is among three highest rated wing-backs in the league. Second, Alberto Aquilani is a tremendous talent. So far this season only Hernanes made a bigger impression on me, Pastore and Ljajic still have plenty to prove. Aquilani was so far chosen 4 times man of the match in which he took part in, not bad for a player who missed several games at the beginning of the season, is it?

 

Alberto Aquilani V Roma 13 11 2010 Football Video by MilanKakaBaros