Summer 2017 Transfer Thread

[sir roger]

Think we might be getting a bit carried away here. It is presumably just a financial win/win for both sides.

 

Lovren gets an extra £30k per week & if we want to sell him next year we will get full price rather than a reduced fee because he has only 12 months left on the old one for the relatively measly extra £1.5m or so.

 

As for the defending bit, Lovren isn't perfect by any means but pick your choice of the best two central defenders in the world and they would look dodgy playing in our system. Just look at Lovren's mistake before Palace's second goal. have you ever seen this season any Chelsea / Spurs / Man City / Man Utd defender being left to make a 50:50 challenge near the half way line without any other colleague being in the tv picture. I have said in an earlier thread ( and agree with the earlier poster ) that if Klopp is going to effectively play a 2 man defence while we are going forward , then bugger spending £50m on the latest sap & lash it all on creators and scorers.

[Lee909]

Cant trust and of them shifty foreigners

 

Dutch,Danish German all the same

[Harry Squatter]

Our fans are sick to fucking death of our club constantly making the wrong decisions, signing or keeping shit players and generally being our own worst enemy.

[Josef Svejk]

This Lovren contract thing is really making me nervous about our whole decision-making process.

 

I know it's been fashionable on here for a couple of years now to say that we're hopeless in the transfer market or that we don't have a clue or whatever, but I think most of the moves we've made have been either good or understandable mistakes. I mean, under Hodgson and then Dalglish we were making the kind of buys that you KNEW were going to fail (Carroll, Konchesky, Downing, Adam, etc). And you can complain that players like Markovic or Moreno haven't worked out, but at least the moves had a chance of working, it wasn't like you could see they were utterly hopeless when we did them (not if you're honest, at least).

 

The Lovren contract is the first one of those moves we've made since Klopp came, probably the first since Edwards took over. There is zero chance it's going to work in my opinion. I can see an argument that with so many other players turning over this summer, hanging onto Lovren as a 3rd or 4th choice CB makes sense for one more year before we sell him in 2018. I wouldn't agree, but at least you can make an argument for it.

 

But signing him up for 5m/year for 4 more years? It's utterly, utterly ridiculous, and it's the kind of thing that we all know is ridiculous. It boggles the mind that you can have a club spending millions of pounds on deals that everyone from the brightest stats analysts down to the dumbest fan knows will fail, but every club does them (and for a few years we did lots of them). Everyone knew that Carroll for 35m was going to be a huge mistake, and yet we did it anyway.

 

And I thought we had put that behind us, but listening to Klopp talk about Lovren today has me really nervous. Nervous for Edwards' ability (how has an analyst specialising in detailed statistical analysis agreed that we should make Lovren one of the highest-paid CBs in the league?), nervous for Klopp's blind loyalty to his players (he's spoken about him as if he's one of the best CBs in the league!), nervous for our whole process.

 

Just hope it's the last one of these kinds of deals we see for a while. One of them every 5 years or so and we can probably still compete. But if we score another recruitment own goal like this every other season or so we're basically ensuring we'll be a fringe top-4 team at best for the foreseeable future.

I smell Tomkins...

[razor]

This "protecting our asset" stuff around Lovren's new contract is baffling.  How is he an asset?  He was an over-inflated purchase and is an increasingly depreciating asset.  Who would buy him for anything like the 20m we paid?

 

And yes, I'd seriously look at buying that Antonio lad.

 

In fact, now that I think about it, I may have found a cunning solution to point A above...

[Remmie]

Would it be worth having a separate thread for what people think of our transfer policy and then one to discuss actual potential signings?

 

The former could probably be locked after 3 posts.

[Bobby Hundreds]

We can't compete financially with the other top clubs so we need to be smart... Apparently. Does any club shoot itself in the feet as much as us. Shall we buy this player who is exceptional for an extra two million or abandon that and sign this mediocre one season wonder for an amount that's never even been contemplated by anyone ever for that players ability... Let's do the latter.. It's different, outside the box, smart.

[lifetime fan]

Would it be worth having a separate thread for what people think of our transfer policy and then one to discuss actual potential signings?

 

The former could probably be locked after 3 posts.

 

 

So could the latter.

[Ginny]

I've come to terms with the LFC business model and strategy. I've got my head around what we are about and the Lovren decision has proved this to me. I'm not going to lose any sleep over what type of a club we now are and I think the sooner you get your head around it the less time you will spend wasting your energy on thinking we're/should be anything else.

[Guest]

I've come to terms with the LFC business model and strategy. I've got my head around what we are about and the Lovren decision has proved this to me. I'm not going to lose any sleep over what type of a club we now are and I think the sooner you get your head around it the less time you will spend wasting your energy on thinking we're/should be anything else.

Klopp demands the best possible reaction from the fans while expecting mediocrity from the players and staff.

 

I believe somewhere along the line this has been set up the wrong way round.

 

If that's the business model that is being proposed, for that reason I'm out.

[Barnesey]

I'd rather pay Loren another £30k a week for a few years than blow £50m on what might prove to be a slight upgrade. Our defensive issues are more to do with playing style than individuals and Lovren has been good most of the season. Better than Matip for most of it in my view.

 

If we get a decent DM to play in front of our back two we will see a massive improvement in our defensive solidity. I would spend the budget on bodies to play further forward (and a left back).

[aRdja]

This Lovren contract thing is really making me nervous about our whole decision-making process.

 

I know it's been fashionable on here for a couple of years now to say that we're hopeless in the transfer market or that we don't have a clue or whatever, but I think most of the moves we've made have been either good or understandable mistakes.  I mean, under Hodgson and then Dalglish we were making the kind of buys that you KNEW were going to fail (Carroll, Konchesky, Downing, Adam, etc).  And you can complain that players like Markovic or Moreno haven't worked out, but at least the moves had a chance of working, it wasn't like you could see they were utterly hopeless when we did them (not if you're honest, at least).

 

The Lovren contract is the first one of those moves we've made since Klopp came, probably the first since Edwards took over.  There is zero chance it's going to work in my opinion.  I can see an argument that with so many other players turning over this summer, hanging onto Lovren as a 3rd or 4th choice CB makes sense for one more year before we sell him in 2018.  I wouldn't agree, but at least you can make an argument for it.

 

But signing him up for 5m/year for 4 more years?  It's utterly, utterly ridiculous, and it's the kind of thing that we all know is ridiculous.  It boggles the mind that you can have a club spending millions of pounds on deals that everyone from the brightest stats analysts down to the dumbest fan knows will fail, but every club does them (and for a few years we did lots of them).  Everyone knew that Carroll for 35m was going to be a huge mistake, and yet we did it anyway.

 

And I thought we had put that behind us, but listening to Klopp talk about Lovren today has me really nervous.  Nervous for Edwards' ability (how has an analyst specialising in detailed statistical analysis agreed that we should make Lovren one of the highest-paid CBs in the league?), nervous for Klopp's blind loyalty to his players (he's spoken about him as if he's one of the best CBs in the league!), nervous for our whole process.

 

Just hope it's the last one of these kinds of deals we see for a while.  One of them every 5 years or so and we can probably still compete.  But if we score another recruitment own goal like this every other season or so we're basically ensuring we'll be a fringe top-4 team at best for the foreseeable future.

You're overthinking it I think. Klopp rates Lovren as a footballer and he wanted him to stay, and as a result the club extended his contract.

[CWD82]

I'd rather pay Loren another £30k a week for a few years than blow £50m on what might prove to be a slight upgrade. Our defensive issues are more to do with playing style than individuals and Lovren has been good most of the season. Better than Matip for most of it in my view.

 

If we get a decent DM to play in front of our back two we will see a massive improvement in our defensive solidity. I would spend the budget on bodies to play further forward (and a left back).

Well, £50m for van Dijk is more than a slight upgrade.

 

In that away game against them in the league cup he was brilliant. Didn't lose a header it seemed. Could make a massive difference to how we defend set pieces

[El Dangerous]

Would it be worth having a separate thread for what people think of our transfer policy and then one to discuss actual potential signings?

 

The former could probably be locked after 3 posts.

Why don't you just fuck off back to RAWK.

[Aventus]

 

 

I mean, under Hodgson and then Dalglish we were making the kind of buys that you KNEW were going to fail (Carroll, Konchesky, Downing, Adam, etc). And you can complain that players like Markovic or Moreno haven't worked out, but at least the moves had a chance of working, it wasn't like you could see they were utterly hopeless when we did them (not if you're honest, at least).

Looks like we can predict what shit English players we are buying because we see them regularly, so we can form a real opinion on them.

 

With the foreigners all we have is an exotic name and a few YouTube clips, so we have a distorted view and become optimistic.

[Jairzinho]

Anyone know when Moreno's contract is up?

[Denny Crane]

[ngogswilly]

This "protecting our asset" stuff around Lovren's new contract is baffling. How is he an asset? He was an over-inflated purchase and is an increasingly depreciating asset. Who would buy him for anything like the 20m we paid?

 

And yes, I'd seriously look at buying that Antonio lad.

 

In fact, now that I think about it, I may have found a cunning solution to point A above...

That's the biggest indicator really. Would any club pay us 20m for Lovren now? Not a hope. Because he simply hasn't been consistently anywhere near good enough. Fair enough about protecting the asset but if Klopp genuinely rates him as a starting centre half for the foreseeable future then we're going nowhere fast. Maybe next year we'll employ a proper defensive midfielder to shield the defence a bit more and that'll be great but it wont stop brainfarts from Lovren every 3 games

[Jairzinho]

He isn't an asset. We fucked up paying £20m for him and we've compounded the error by now agreeing to pay him £20m over the next four years. We've already paid him about £10m.

 

£50m on a centreback that is, well, a bit shite.

[Carvalho Diablo]

Our players should tell Engerland to fuck off. That would prevent at least 57.4% of our injuries.

[El Dangerous]

Am I the only one who thinks Lovren is pretty good? Well other than Kloppo and Carra that is. Oh and anyone saying we wouldn't get £20m for him forgets Jordan Ibe was sold for £15m.

[Arl arse]

Am I the only one who thinks Lovren is pretty good? Well other than Kloppo and Carra that is. Oh and anyone saying we wouldn't get £20m for him forgets Jordan Ibe was sold for £15m.

I like him, but he's a very patchy player. Needs more consistency.

[Carvalho Diablo]

Lovrens problems are that he lacks concentration, he's fucking thick, and he's a cowardly fucking soft fucking shithouse.

[Bjornebye]

If we are going to sign a left back we should be all over Kieran Tierney. man of the match today as a left back in his first game at ibrox in an old firm 5 - 1 pumping. Unreal young left back, brilliant. I'd love him at Anfield. 

[Jay86]

I agree he looks decent but it's really risky buying from Scotland, Van Dijk made the transition simple and has kicked on to another level.

 

Tierney looks like he could make the step up but you never really know, for £10-15m he's well worth the risk, anything more then it becomes slightly more risky. Van Dijk was £12.5m I think in comparison.