Tories - convince me you're not evil

[Hades]

There are no complex psychological and societal factors that go towards a person being 'lazy', none whatsoever. 

[s(k)aturation]

Hitchens made a good point in his interview with Owen Jones, where he said we live in an age where we think there's an easy answer for everything, and I think that's spot on.

 

No politics, ideology has got all the answers, it's a case of seeing what works best. What we can do though is say where we think things clearly don't work, and the 2008 crash is conclusive proof that this financial model doesn't work, it's beyond dispute. To see us pursuing that model again with a more rabid determination than ever before is mindblowing, and we're doing it purely and simply because the people at the very top refuse to give up their extreme wealth. 

 

A country built along the lines of a traditional Tory party would have an aristocracy and a thriving middle class, probably still at the expense of the poor, but the likes of the police and medical profession would be pretty untouchable. Cameron has fucked with all these groups relentlessly, they all fucking despise him and the middle class is being hollowed out as each year passes the next. They're not Tories, I've said it a million times, they're the vanguard of the ultra wealthy global elite. They're termites and they don't care who or what they destroy to keep them moneyed up to the hilt. 

 

Couldn't agree more.

[s(k)aturation]

There are no complex psychological and societal factors that go towards a person being 'lazy', none whatsoever. 

 

Took me off ignore I see, my principled friend.

Such a man of conviction.

[Rico1304]

There are no complex psychological and societal factors that go towards a person being 'lazy', none whatsoever.

 

You're lumping everyone together again aren't you?

 

I'm as lazy a cunt as you are likely to meet, I'd much rather stay in my fart sack all day.

[Hades]

Well, I am disputing it, so it isn't.

 

You might as well say that 9/11 is proof that air travel doesn't work.

 

In both cases all you needed was better oversight.

 

The oversight you're talking about would be err...communism?

[Stu Monty]

Well, I am disputing it, so it isn't.

 

You might as well say that 9/11 is proof that air travel doesn't work.

 

In both cases all you needed was better oversight.

That's a different financial model.

 

One with more state regulation and oversight.

 

I'd also ask how you think the current model allows for that oversight given the regulators and laws are bought and paid for.

 

The "best model" capitalism we have is not the current dross. It is one with far more "socialism" in the mix, as even you would accept with your criticisms of current issues.

[Hades]

Took me off ignore I see, my principled friend.

Such a man of conviction.

 

Keep on thinking being 'balanced' between right and left is done out of a spirit of caring for others.

 

You're lumping everyone together again aren't you?

 

I'm as lazy a cunt as you are likely to meet, I'd much rather stay in my fart sack all day.

 

For a man who preaches science, you literally have no clue about the research being done that shows growing up in poverty has a profound effect on a person's brain structure and that the majority of fat people are poor. Almost as if they're linked somehow, or they're simply all 'lazy'. 

[Rico1304]

No I don't, but do you expect me to know of every scientific study? As you said I'm no scientist but I think we'd have had become extinct a long fucking time ago if not having a fortnight in centre parcs made you fat and lazy.

[s(k)aturation]

Keep on thinking being 'balanced' between right and left is done out of a spirit of caring for others.

 

You're too busy thinking there's only one way of thinking and one solution to know what I'm thinking, mate.

 

Balance?  Yeah, we wouldn't want any of that old toss.

[s(k)aturation]

The "best model" capitalism we have is not the current dross. It is one with far more "socialism" in the mix

 

The freedom of the individual and collectivism for those that can't help themselves?  A system that acknowledges and looks after both?

 

Nah, that would never work, Stu. 

[Pureblood]

The electorate that voted the Tories in, yes. Not sure what your excuse is.

Sir, excuse for what, Sir?

[Pidge]

The freedom of the individual and collectivism for those that can't help themselves?  A system that acknowledges and looks after both?

 

Nah, that would never work, Stu. 

 

What like some kind of moderate system?

 

Mental.

[Hades]

Yes, a wonderfully moderate society which spends 4% of its budget on education as opposed to the 10% that Communist shithole Cuba does. 

[Strontium]

Yep. Always the poor little victim. Never stopping to wonder if maybe the forum isn't actually full of freedom hating nazis that cannot cope with his intellectual prowess, and maybe the problem is actually how he posts. The tone. The content. The attitude. 

 

There is no word that describes your posting better than disingenuous. Consistently so. 

 

It's actually a crying fucking shame. I imagine that SD the person is probably alright. SD the poster is not. He's a twat who calls people nazis and then cries it in. The relationship between what you post, and how you see yourself as a poster are unhealthily detached.

 

Stu, people are talking about exterminating a whole group of people because of their political beliefs. In that instance, a light-hearted comparison with the Nazis is entirely appropriate.

 

I'll also note that you haven't pulled up anyone who compares the Tories to the Nazis.

[Strontium]

Yes, a wonderfully moderate society which spends 4% of its budget on education as opposed to the 10% that Communist shithole Cuba does.

 

This says more about the size of budgets than anything else.

 

4% of a huge pile of money buys you a ton more desks and books than 10% of sod all.

[Strontium]

of course I don't support policies that directly cause people harm, I'm not Hades for fucks sake.

 

But as you can see, a lot of folk equate a failure to help people (eg by reducing or eliminating benefits) with doing active harm to people. It's not a mindset I fully understand, but it explains the hostility to anyone that isn't a statist socialist.

[Lee909]

Doing nothing and taking away is actively harming people.

[moof]

Doing nothing and taking away is actively harming people.

You commie bastard

[Strontium]

Doing nothing and taking away is actively harming people.

 

Yes, I know what you believe. It's an interesting opinion.

 

How far does it go, though? Are you actively harming people if you spend 20 quid on a bottle of spirits when that quantity of money could save lives in the third world? Or does the obligation not to "do nothing" end at our borders? And if so, why?

[Mook]

Some bloke who buys a bottle of vodka in Hull hasn't been elected by people in Ethiopia to look after their country.

 

What a completely bizarre point to make.

[Spy Bee]

This says more about the size of budgets than anything else.

 

4% of a huge pile of money buys you a ton more desks and books than 10% of sod all.

That makes absolutely no sense. 

[Section_31]

We live in a country where the idea the government would do anything for the sole benefit of the people is absolutely laughable, I mean genuinely laughable. In all seriousness, if the government found a shed load of oil off the coast of Liverpool or some shit and the choice was between funneling it into a people's bank to fund free university education for everyone, or selling it off to Shell, does anyone seriously believe they'd do the former and not the latter? 

 

There's no balance any more. There's no something for Peter and something for Paul, it's purely weighted in favour of big business and wealthy interests, absolutely everything. 

[Rico1304]

We live in a country where the idea the government would do anything for the sole benefit of the people is absolutely laughable, I mean genuinely laughable. In all seriousness, if the government found a shed load of oil off the coast of Liverpool or some shit and the choice was between funneling it into a people's bank to fund free university education for everyone, or selling it off to Shell, does anyone seriously believe they'd do the former and not the latter? 

 

There's no balance any more. There's no something for Peter and something for Paul, it's purely weighted in favour of big business and wealthy interests, absolutely everything.

 

Free university for everyone? Why do that? Not everyone wants to go. I think the oil is there, lets frack the fuck out of it.

[Stu Monty]

Stu, people are talking about exterminating a whole group of people because of their political beliefs. In that instance, a light-hearted comparison with the Nazis is entirely appropriate.

 

I'll also note that you haven't pulled up anyone who compares the Tories to the Nazis.

 

It's great how you get to decide what's light-hearted and what isn't. Maybe if you stopped reaching for the freedom hating nazi retort so often people who clearly aren't might not bristle so much when you use it, especially when you always use a really broad brush of attacking "some people" and not specifying who. As someone who has been called both a nazi and a freedom hater by you before you'll understand if I take your outrage with a pinch of salt.

 

The extermination talk is childish nonsense. Tom doesn't want Rico executed. He doesn't in the next sentence start getting pissy about people being specific with their language though and striding through the forum of a white steed as the last line of defence between the TLW fascist savages and freedom & liberty, does he? He's operating at a totally different level to the people who want to be taken seriously in political conversations. You can't just drop from one to the other and expect to be respected when you do pop back into the sensible conversation.

[Rico1304]

Tom R was obviously joking or at least exaggerating for comedic effect, but Jairz, Hades and a fair few others have advocated all sorts of punishments over the years. If someone keeps repeating it what other option do you have other than to believe them?