Klopp's Tactics

[Gym Beglin]

[Gym Beglin]

Haha are you actually calling someone out on an Internet football forum!?

 

No, you can see my post, in full, you quoted it.  

 

What's 'calling out'?  Do you mean fight?  How are we going to fight online?  

[Pureblood]

It's actually making me dislike Ronnie Moran, a feat previously thought impossible. 

[Gym Beglin]

United, Spurs and City will both be more than 20 points ahead of us in the league this season, and Chelsea not far behind.

 

Quite how you all sit there and tell me Klopp is building something good here, I don't know.

 

By the time Keita comes in, we'll lose Coutinho, Can and Mane. 

 

Milner and Klavan will be 32 next summer, that's 2 that immediately need sorting on top of those.

 

Then we look at keeper.

 

Then we look at full backs.

 

Then we look at Henderson.

 

Then we look at Sturridge/Ings/Origi/Solanke.

 

 

But obviously I'm over-egging this.  1 win in 6, nothing to see here.  Firmino is fantastic. Klopp is great, we're purring, what a system.

[Gym Beglin]

It's actually making me dislike Ronnie Moran, a feat previously thought impossible. 

 

Ronnie wouldn't stand for this shite.

[jimmycase]

Clearly someone is over egging it if they think every one of those 3 clubs will be 20 points ahead of us at the end of the season. Un fucking believable.

[dickie mint]

Clearly someone is over egging it if they think every one of those 3 clubs will be 20 points ahead of us at the end of the season. Un fucking believable.

 

Some do have a very good goal difference over us Jimbo which might tell at the end of the season,now only if we had strengthened in the summer Never mind.

[TheHowieLama]

calling someone out 

 

Belongs on the Old School thread.

[Duff Man]

The only people having a tantrum are the people throwing toys out of the pram when we don't win every game 3-0.

Hades you really must stop making things up if you want to be taken seriously.

[jimmycase]

Some do have a very good goal difference over us Jimbo which might tell at the end of the season,now only if we had strengthened in the summer Never mind.

 

What bit of "20 points" and not goal difference in his post didnt you grasp, dick?

[thompsonsnose]

United, Spurs and City will both be more than 20 points ahead of us in the league this season, and Chelsea not far behind.

 

Quite how you all sit there and tell me Klopp is building something good here, I don't know.

 

By the time Keita comes in, we'll lose Coutinho, Can and Mane. 

 

Milner and Klavan will be 32 next summer, that's 2 that immediately need sorting on top of those.

 

Then we look at keeper.

 

Then we look at full backs.

 

Then we look at Henderson.

 

Then we look at Sturridge/Ings/Origi/Solanke.

 

 

But obviously I'm over-egging this.  1 win in 6, nothing to see here.  Firmino is fantastic. Klopp is great, we're purring, what a system.

I agree.

[dickie mint]

What bit of "20 points" and not goal difference in his post didnt you grasp, dick?

 

Just stating its not only points we need to pick up its goals,that 4th place that seems to keep the club happy with might just slip away on goal difference and we can't have that can we.

[thompsonsnose]

               Ward

TAA Matip Laverne Milner

                 AOC

Coutinho  Henderson Moreno

          Mane   Salah

 

Go on Klopp give AOC a role as a holding mid. Otherwise, why in fuck did you buy him??

Moron can only be used offensively, BUT that side of his game is improving quickly.

Milner shouldn't be at LB really, but Moreno can't play there.

Same goes for Lovren and Henderson, but we are where we are.

Maybe Can could dep for Henderson

Ward absolutely deserves a run to see what he can do, can he be any worse?

Looks full of goals that side, and maybe, just maybe, would be a tad more solid and dependable at the back.

 

Fire away....

[TheHowieLama]

[VladimirIlyich]

Everyone is right

We have no plan B. Its not like we hained more points from a loosing position than anyone last year

Plan B is simply having better players,players change the game not so much tactics. Tactics are simply having more able and/or versatile players. Imagine having Salah or Mane from the bench,what a first eleven you'd have.

[The Guest]

Plan B is simply having better players,players change the game not so much tactics. Tactics are simply having more able and/or versatile players. Imagine having Salah or Mane from the bench,what a first eleven you'd have.

That just simply isn't true and I don't think it's what Klopp believes either. If it was just down to how good or versatile your players were then the richest teams would never lose a game. At this level tactics are massively important. The fact of the matter is we do not have Mane or Salah coming off the bench because they start for us so we have to work with what we've got. That should involve changing formations and tactics when necessary.

 

You only have to watch some of the really good analysis Carragher and Neville do to show you how teams deal with other teams in terms of defending and breaking them down. Great players like Coutinho can score you a goal out of nothing but you can't just rely on that especially if you've only got one of them and you're competing with sides who have got more than a few.

[Red74]

@Globies

 

If you want  to talk results, we've won 4,211 consecutive games @LFC

 

 

in response too - Jurgen Klopp: "We are not the Harlem Globetrotters... We're out here for results!"

[jimmycase]

Just stating its not only points we need to pick up its goals,that 4th place that seems to keep the club happy with might just slip away on goal difference and we can't have that can we.

 

You really struggle, dont you dick. The OP was going on about city, united and spurs finishing 20 points in front of us. I replied to that. Then, to show just how big a dick you are dick, you then go on about goal difference or something completely unrealated to the number of points those 3 sides may finish ahead of us.

 

Better luck next time, dick but for now, the computer says, no.

[VladimirIlyich]

That just simply isn't true and I don't think it's what Klopp believes either. If it was just down to how good or versatile your players were then the richest teams would never lose a game. At this level tactics are massively important. The fact of the matter is we do not have Mane or Salah coming off the bench because they start for us so we have to work with what we've got. That should involve changing formations and tactics when necessary.

 

You only have to watch some of the really good analysis Carragher and Neville do to show you how teams deal with other teams in terms of defending and breaking them down. Great players like Coutinho can score you a goal out of nothing but you can't just rely on that especially if you've only got one of them and you're competing with sides who have got more than a few.

Tactics are immensely overrated. The richest teams,ergo the best,clean up because they buy the best players and pay them the biggest salaries. Tactics only come into play during games between evenly matched teams and then its often individuals who make the difference. As for Carragher and Neville's analysis,which teams have they guided to trophies based on their tactical nous? (I don't watch any of that sky analysis bullshit anyhow,but its always easier from the warmth of a studio over the intensity of a dugout.)

[joe_fishfish]

Tactics are immensely overrated. The richest teams,ergo the best,clean up because they buy the best players and pay them the biggest salaries. Tactics only come into play during games between evenly matched teams and then its often individuals who make the difference. As for Carragher and Neville's analysis,which teams have they guided to trophies based on their tactical nous? (I don't watch any of that sky analysis bullshit anyhow,but its always easier from the warmth of a studio over the intensity of a dugout.)

 

Yeah those rich clubs just buy the best players and then get any old jobsworth to coach them. That's why Mourinho won fuck all until he joined mega rich clubs like Chelsea - he's not actually a good coach, he just had good players.

[Gym Beglin]

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_pass?se=79

 

Most number of passes completed by players this season.

 

Our rivals have the following number of players (their position in brackets) in the top 80:

 

Man City:

Kompany (69)

Walker (31)

Danilo (31)

Stones (14)

De Bruyne (7)

Otamendi (5)

Fernandinho (3)

Silva (1)

 

Man United:

Mata (75)

Bailly (43)

Mkhiraryan (36)

Jones (29)

Pogba (27)

Valencia (24)

Matic (9)

 

Chelsea

Luiz (53)

Rudiger (35)

Fabregas (22)

Kante (21)

Azpilicueta (11), 

 

Spurs

Trippier (66)

Davies (61)

Eriksen (16)

Dier (10)

Alderweireld (8)

Vertonghen (2)

 

Liverpool

Klavan (71)

Can (51)

Henderson (19)

Matip (18)

 

 

We're shit at passing compared to our rivals.

[aws]

Not that much wrong with the tactics when you constantly create three chances for every one you give away. Some games cry out for a change of approach because you're creating nothing but we haven't had one of those this season.

[Gym Beglin]

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/touches

 

Top 100 players in the PL for touches of the ball this season.  Position in (brackets).

 

City

Danilo (43)

Walker (42)

Otamendi (6)

De Bruyne (5)

Fernandinho (4)

SIlva (3)

 

Spurs

Trippier (69)

Alli (62)

Dier (14)

Eriksen (12)

Alderweireld (9)

Vertonghen (1)

 

 

United

Bailly (57)

Jones (39)

Pogba (30 )
Mkhitaryan (28)

Valencia (15)

Matic (8)

 

 

Chelsea

Willian (100)

Luiz (80)

Rudiger (51)

Fabregas (37)

Alonso (34)

Kante (20)

Azpilicueta (13)

 

Liverpool

Can (67)

Henderson (26)

Matip (22)

[The Guest]

Tactics are immensely overrated. The richest teams,ergo the best,clean up because they buy the best players and pay them the biggest salaries. Tactics only come into play during games between evenly matched teams and then its often individuals who make the difference. As for Carragher and Neville's analysis,which teams have they guided to trophies based on their tactical nous? (I don't watch any of that sky analysis bullshit anyhow,but its always easier from the warmth of a studio over the intensity of a dugout.)

Don't be so dismissive of it if you've never watched it. Honestly it's really good sometimes. It's like the standard response or the "in" thing to say when anyone brings up TV analysis is just to give it a snooty "I'm above all that."

 

I wasn't talking about when they are being critical either so switch the autopilot off and read what I put. They show how players are put in certain positions to try and expose weaknesses or to nullify opposition teams specific attacks. They aren't coming up with this themselves and implementing it they're showing you how the current premier league managers are and they're probably spotting it themselves by being professionals who know the game very well from playing under some very good managers at a high level over a long period of time.

 

I honestly can't believe how obtuse you're being to think that tactics only come in to play with evenly matched teams. That's absolute nonsense. How the fuck do smaller teams beat the bigger teams so often then? How did Leicester win the league? Over the course of a season or number of seasons of course the money and level of players you sign will have a big impact on results but you're completely daft if you think tactics don't impact every single game that is played.

 

Just taking us as an example we've put a lot of better teams with more money and better players to the sword regularly because we had tactics that they couldn't cope with.

[Gym Beglin]

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_through_ball

 

The top 6 players who have played the most through-balls this season are the following:

 

1. De Bruyne
2. Fabregas
3. Mkhitaryan
4. Pogba
5. Silva
6. Eriksen

 

 

With our pace, you'd think....nevermind.