U.S Presidential race 2012

[Trumo]

Mrs G will vote for Obama' date=' much to the chagrin of most of her extended family. I am planning to preach a sermon entitled, 'God, the ballot box and the election' on November 4. As a minister over here I am legally not allowed to be politically biased from the platform, though my public neutrality will likely not go over well as I am in a State where, nudge nudge, wink wink, we're all supposed to be Republicans.

 

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Not to be dismissive of your faith and your role in the community, but the impression I get from the deeply Republican set is one of

 

Pray to God

Believe in Jesus

Love your country

Worship the dollar

[TheHowieLama]

Not to be dismissive of your faith and your role in the community, but the impression I get from the deeply Republican set is one of

 

Pray to God

Believe in Jesus

Love your country

Worship the dollar

 

Get a couple guns

Dont kill any unborn babies

[G Richards]

You're not wrong fellas!

 

I'm not after any political war over here, but the way I see it, one of the things I can do is help debunk a faulty set of presuppositions that many people have; namely, to be a Christian you have to be a Republican.

[Jose Jones]

There's a quality article in Rolling Stone about Mitt Romney, and the "Financialisation" of capitalism, particularly in the US. Section will be all up on it, as will anyone who remembers previous custodians of a certain sporting institution.

 

Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital | Politics News | Rolling Stone

[aikido]

As usual, it will hinge on the swing states, with Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida possibly holding the balance.

 

I can't see Obama losing though, mainly because Romney has zero endearing qualities. He's so far removed from the common man, I doubt anyone but the most ardent follower finds anything to relate too. Most people I know who say they will vote for him usually say it's because he knows how to make money and that's what the country needs. They don't realize that the fucker knows how to make money for himself and his buddies, and nobody else.

 

Plus the Republican party have really changed made him change his philosophies to fit more into the party line. He's changed his views on abortion/healthcare/don't ask don't tell among others, just to appear more attractive to their base. But he's still a Mormon, which scares a lot of them.

[Nunavut Patrick]

Ohio and Pennsylvania especially hard hit economically.

 

Florida is full of Cubans, old people and alligators. Of which only one of those can vote.

[lifetime fan]

As usual, it will hinge on the swing states, with Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida possibly holding the balance.

 

I can't see Obama losing though, mainly because Romney has zero endearing qualities. He's so far removed from the common man, I doubt anyone but the most ardent follower finds anything to relate too. Most people I know who say they will vote for him usually say it's because he knows how to make money and that's what the country needs. They don't realize that the fucker knows how to make money for himself and his buddies, and nobody else.

 

Plus the Republican party have really changed made him change his philosophies to fit more into the party line. He's changed his views on abortion/healthcare/don't ask don't tell among others, just to appear more attractive to their base. But he's still a Mormon, which scares a lot of them.

 

 

Changed them how mate?

[bigguly]

There's a quality article in Rolling Stone about Mitt Romney, and the "Financialisation" of capitalism, particularly in the US. Section will be all up on it, as will anyone who remembers previous custodians of a certain sporting institution.

 

Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital | Politics News | Rolling Stone

 

Top journalist, that Matt Taibbi! A journalist who has backbone and will call a spade, a spade. I would recommend you to follow him on Twitter, if you are on it. Very good with the economic stuff/news!!!!

[neopulian]

Not to be dismissive of your faith and your role in the community, but the impression I get from the deeply Republican set is one of

 

Pray to God

Believe in Jesus

Love your country

Worship guns

 

fixed your post

[G Richards]

Thanks for the Rolling Stone article above Jose Jones. I hadn't seen that until now.

[G Richards]

Romney used to be pro choice... now he is pro life.

He used to believe in a health care system for everyone and made sure he implemented that in MA... now he follows the party line and is against 'Obamacare'

 

I didn't know he had changed his position on don't ask don't tell, but it doesn't surprise me. He is the quintessential political chameleon.

[aikido]

Mitt Romney's Biggest Flip Flops | RS Editors | Politics News | Rolling Stone

 

ABORTION

 

Flip

"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." — Debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy, 1994

 

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard." — Massachusetts Gubernatorial Debate, 2002

 

Flop

"Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. I changed my position." — Iowa Straw poll debate, 2007

 

"What I would like to see happen would be for the Supreme Court to say, look, we’re going to overturn Roe v. Wade and return to the states the authority to decide whether they want to have abortion or not, state by state. That’s the way it was before Roe v. Wade. So I am firmly pro-life." — Town hall meeting, Hopkinton, NH, 2011

 

HUNTING

 

Flip

"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." — On the campaign trail in Keene, N.H., 2007

 

Flop

"Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability." — Comment to a reporter from the Austin American-Statesman, 2007

 

RONALD REAGAN

 

Flip

"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush." — Debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy, 1994

 

Flop

"When I was running for office for the first time in 1994, I was trying to define who I was…. I’ve said since, and continue to reiterate, that one of my heroes is Ronald Reagan." — Q&A with Human Events, 2006

 

DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL

 

Flip

Romney once said he was in favor of "gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly" in the military. — Letter to Log Cabin Republicans, 1994

 

Flop

"[Don't Ask Don't Tell has] been the policy now in the military for, what, 10, 15 years – and it seems to have worked. This is not the time to put in major change, a social experiment, in the middle of a war going on." — Presidential primary debate, 2007

 

VIETNAM

 

Flip

"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam." — Quoted by the Boston Herald, 1994

 

Flop

"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam." — Quoted by the Boston Globe, 2007

 

GUN CONTROL

 

Flip

"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them." — Gubernatorial debate, 2002

 

"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts." — Signing ceremony for bill banning assault weapons, 2004

 

Flop

"I don’t support any gun control legislation, the effort for a new assault weapons ban, with a ban on semi-automatic weapons, is something I would oppose." — Interview with conservative bloggers, 2008

 

HEALTH CARE REFORM

 

Flip

"I like mandates. Mandates work." — Presidential primary debate, 2008

 

"I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing [Romneycare], then that will be a model for the nation." — Speech in Baltimore, 2007

 

Flop

"At the time I crafted the plan in the last campaign I was asked is [Romneycare] something that you would have the whole nation do, and I said no. This is something that was crafted for Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this as a nation." — Presidential primary debate, 2011

 

Bret Baier: "Governor, you did say on camera and in other places, at times you thought [Romneycare] would be a model for the nation."

Mitt Romney: "You're wrong, Bret." — Fox News interview, 2011

 

CLIMATE CHANGE

 

Flip

"I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that. ... And so I think it's important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you're seeing." — Town hall meeting, Manchester, NH, June 2011

 

Flop

"My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us." — Q&A session, Pittsburg, PA, October 2011

 

BUSH TAX CUTS

 

Flip

"[R]omney spoke at the 10th annual legislative conference organized by U.S. Rep. Martin T. Meehan (D-Lowell) and met with the Massachusetts delegation. ... Congressional sources said that a point of contention arose when Romney refused to take a position on Bush’s massive, 10-year tax cut plan.” — Boston Herald, 2003

 

Flop

"McCain opposed President Bush’s tax cuts, Romney noted. 'I supported them,' the former governor said." — Quoted in The State (SC), 2007

 

TAX PLEDGES

 

Flip

"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth. " — Quoted in Union-News, Springfield, MA, 2002

 

"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies." — Romney spokesman quoted in the Boston Globe, 2007

 

FLIP-FLOPPING

 

Flip

"I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering." — Comments to NARAL Pro Choice Massachusetts, 2002

 

Flop

"I changed my position." — Iowa straw poll debate, 2007

 

Read more: Mitt Romney's Biggest Flip Flops | RS Editors | Politics News | Rolling Stone

[Saintslfc13]

Not voting for either, agree with the tag. For me this race is between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dumb. Two sides of the same fucked up two-party dictatorship coin (just the 2012 commemorative edition, which is of course more fiat bullshit). The only way I'd have voted for with an R or a D was if Ron Paul was the nomination for either party and he certainly wouldn't have been one for the D's.

 

Since he's out and we have these two left, I'm going third party. Most likely the Libertarian - Gary Johnson.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Romney is the blandest cardboard cut-out the Republicans could have chosen. He was bland to start with, then the party trimmed and polished him to make him even blander.

 

If they were honest about his campaign they would make him change his name to "Not Obama" because that is the one selling point they think he has.

[Stu Monty]

It is irrelevant who you vote for really. The last few years under Obama have shown that. If he can't make any real directional shifts then what hope have you got?

 

If you aren't going to play ball with the people with the cash you don't get to the ballot. It's just a simple fact.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I actually think we'll see Obama be way more productive this second term.

[Stu Monty]

What, you mean he'll be killing even more people with drones? It'll take some doing.

[Kevin D]

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[Iantn]

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[aikido]

I've watched many a debate involving Dinesh D'souza and various Agnostic/Atheists. He's a loon.

[Kevin D]

Is this the first time in the last two years that we've been two pages into a political thread without Clegg or the Lib Dems being called names?

 

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"President Obama supports health care mandates and taxes. President Obama even supported Mitt Romney's individual mandate to buy health insurance. Can YOU trust a man like President Obama? Vote Mitt Romney for President."

[Indian Red]

Lib Dems are fucking Cleggs

[Mendoza]

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[Iantn]

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Longer version of the above video.

[Unrighteous]

As usual, it will hinge on the swing states, with Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida possibly holding the balance.

 

I can't see Obama losing though, mainly because Romney has zero endearing qualities. He's so far removed from the common man, I doubt anyone but the most ardent follower finds anything to relate too. Most people I know who say they will vote for him usually say it's because he knows how to make money and that's what the country needs. They don't realize that the fucker knows how to make money for himself and his buddies, and nobody else.

 

Plus the Republican party have really changed made him change his philosophies to fit more into the party line. He's changed his views on abortion/healthcare/don't ask don't tell among others, just to appear more attractive to their base. But he's still a Mormon, which scares a lot of them.

 

Romney is basically running on the "Hi, I'm white, and not Obama!" platform. Unfortunately, that might be enough to win this time around. Obama doesn't have the momentum that he had last time around.