Summer 2022 Transfer Thread

[El Rojo]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

I really hope they sign Richarlison. 

 

Is that Kulusevski theirs full time yet? To be honest they've signed Forster who is about 65 and Perisic who is past his best. They won't be title challengers but I can defo see them keeping Utd and Arsenal at bay for the top 4 again. 

Yeah, surely themselves and Chelsea for third and fourth. 

[CapeRed]

I think Carvalho will get more game time than a lot of people are thinking. At times he reminds me of a young Coutinho.

[gkmacca]

6 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

The money we get for outgoings will mostly cover the Diaz buy , I can't see is doing another high money signing after Nunez. I do think we need a midfielder.

It's likely to be the latest in the seasonal saga of 'why oh why didn't FSG realise it was obvious?' complaints, and it would be hard to contest this one. You can see why financial prudence might pressure them to snap shut the wallet after a certain expense, but I don't think even now they quite get the need to gamble a bit to keep achieving the lucrative revenue that they currently get by Klopp over-achieving.

 

We went in to last season minus a key midfielder. We are in danger of going into next season still without a replacement for that midfielder, and maybe two players down in terms of back-up, for the oldest part of the team.

 

Curtis Jones was warned publicly last January that he needed to push on, and this month his England manager had to give him the very same warning - and that apparent failure to respond is worrying. Elliott didn't look that great after he returned from injury - one can hope he improves a lot, and finds a bit more pace from somewhere, but he's another with plenty to prove. Carvalho has come in, but no one seem sure where he'll play, let alone how well. Then, for a midfield that's going to need more rotation than any other part of the team, there are promising kids.

 

For the really big games, that's just not good enough. It wasn't good enough (as a general policy) the summer after we won the league, and it isn't good enough now. 

 

I get FSG's desire to be fiscally responsible - it's obviously good and sensible - but you can't keep heading into a season leaving something at the top of your 'To Do' list for the following summer. It just doesn't work like that - especially for a squad that is required to play as intensely as Klopp's is.

[luxury_scruff]

This /\

 

We need FSG to spend more, they have the funds.

[Elite]

31 minutes ago, gkmacca said:

It's likely to be the latest in the seasonal saga of 'why oh why didn't FSG realise it was obvious?' complaints, and it would be hard to contest this one. You can see why financial prudence might pressure them to snap shut the wallet after a certain expense, but I don't think even now they quite get the need to gamble a bit to keep achieving the lucrative revenue that they currently get by Klopp over-achieving.

 

We went in to last season minus a key midfielder. We are in danger of going into next season still without a replacement for that midfielder, and maybe two players down in terms of back-up, for the oldest part of the team.

 

Curtis Jones was warned publicly last January that he needed to push on, and this month his England manager had to give him the very same warning - and that apparent failure to respond is worrying. Elliott didn't look that great after he returned from injury - one can hope he improves a lot, and finds a bit more pace from somewhere, but he's another with plenty to prove. Carvalho has come in, but no one seem sure where he'll play, let alone how well. Then, for a midfield that's going to need more rotation than any other part of the team, there are promising kids.

 

For the really big games, that's just not good enough. It wasn't good enough (as a general policy) the summer after we won the league, and it isn't good enough now. 

 

I get FSG's desire to be fiscally responsible - it's obviously good and sensible - but you can't keep heading into a season leaving something at the top of your 'To Do' list for the following summer. It just doesn't work like that - especially for a squad that is required to play as intensely as Klopp's is.

Spot on.

[Megadrive Man]

4 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Does anybody have the full article please? 

Liverpool journalist claims midfielder won't be signed until NEXT summer - Liverpool FC - This Is Anfield

[TD_LFC]

38 minutes ago, luxury_scruff said:

This /\

 

We need FSG to spend more, they have the funds.

We need to spend correctly.

 

I still think a midfielder will come in we just won't buy one for the sake of it.

[No2]

52 minutes ago, gkmacca said:

It's likely to be the latest in the seasonal saga of 'why oh why didn't FSG realise it was obvious?' complaints, and it would be hard to contest this one. You can see why financial prudence might pressure them to snap shut the wallet after a certain expense, but I don't think even now they quite get the need to gamble a bit to keep achieving the lucrative revenue that they currently get by Klopp over-achieving.

 

We went in to last season minus a key midfielder. We are in danger of going into next season still without a replacement for that midfielder, and maybe two players down in terms of back-up, for the oldest part of the team.

 

Curtis Jones was warned publicly last January that he needed to push on, and this month his England manager had to give him the very same warning - and that apparent failure to respond is worrying. Elliott didn't look that great after he returned from injury - one can hope he improves a lot, and finds a bit more pace from somewhere, but he's another with plenty to prove. Carvalho has come in, but no one seem sure where he'll play, let alone how well. Then, for a midfield that's going to need more rotation than any other part of the team, there are promising kids.

 

For the really big games, that's just not good enough. It wasn't good enough (as a general policy) the summer after we won the league, and it isn't good enough now. 

 

I get FSG's desire to be fiscally responsible - it's obviously good and sensible - but you can't keep heading into a season leaving something at the top of your 'To Do' list for the following summer. It just doesn't work like that - especially for a squad that is required to play as intensely as Klopp's is.

That's your do to list, we don't know what Klopps looks like. In midfield it's certainly not a numbers issue,  we have a £40m England International who can't make the bench. 

 

We have 4 senior midfield players, 3 up and coming and 1 we use in case of emergency.  That's without Ox, it comes down to the same thing, do we have faith in Jones, Elliott and Carvalho? If we do then we don't stick another obstacle on front of them, if we don't then we sell one of them and replace them. My own opinion is its time to start really playing Jones and Elliott, if they're not at that point then it's time for Jones to move on.

[an tha]

7 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Liverpool journalist claims midfielder won't be signed until NEXT summer - Liverpool FC - This Is Anfield

If true a mistake IMHO

 

[Jose Jones]

Yeah midfield is the same position as the start of last season. We definitely have enough players to choose from, it’s whether they’re good enough options that is the question.

The young ones all are unproven and the old ones are getting older.

[Daisy]

They never, ever do enough. We always start the season one player short. 

[TD_LFC]

2 minutes ago, Daisy said:

They never, ever do enough. We always start the season one player short. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

If they don't outspend every other team, win every trophy every single year, develop the other two sides of the stadium, and make the tickets free, then what are they really good for?

[aRdja]

14 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Yeah midfield is the same position as the start of last season. We definitely have enough players to choose from, it’s whether they’re good enough options that is the question.

The young ones all are unproven and the old ones are getting older.

What was pretty nuts, and probably more of a reflection on Southampton, but we dominated them at their place with our 5th, 6th and 7th choice midfielders starting the game. Depth is defo not an issue there IMO. It’s whether you think they’re good enough. 

[SlugTrail]

2 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

If they don't outspend every other team, win every trophy every single year, develop the other two sides of the stadium, and make the tickets free, then what are they really good for?

Yatchs and yatchs 

[Barrington Womble]

43 minutes ago, aRdja said:

What was pretty nuts, and probably more of a reflection on Southampton, but we dominated them at their place with our 5th, 6th and 7th choice midfielders starting the game. Depth is defo not an issue there IMO. It’s whether you think they’re good enough. 

That was an end of season kick about for them. While it really mattered for us. I don't think you can take anything from that at all. I would prefer to look across the whole season and for me what jumps out is Jones needs to massively improve his consistency and milner isn't getting better and he mostly looks like he's on a different game to everyone else. 

[HBenn]

4 hours ago, luxury_scruff said:

Footage that put Jürgen Klopp on trail of £64m striker Darwin Núñez |…

June 13, 2022

As Liverpool’s preparations intensified for their Champions League quarter-final with Benfica, Jürgen Klopp’s interest was piqued by the tall striker who had already demonstrated a penchant for upsetting Europe’s elite.

The clips produced by the club’s analysts focused heavily on Darwin Núñez, who had been crucial in the Portuguese side’s run to the last eight of the competition with goals in the group stages against Bayern Munich and Barcelona together with the winning strike against Ajax in the round of 16.

It was as Klopp studied the footage at the club’s AXA Training Centre that the Liverpool manager fell in love, according to one source, with the idea of signing Núñez, his imagination having been fired by the 22-year-old’s blistering pace, eye for goal and workrate.

Nothing that transpired across the two games (Núñez scored home and away in a 6-4 aggregate defeat) led to Klopp reappraising that initial impression when he subsequently saw the Uruguayan up close.

Three months later, and with Manchester United outmanoeuvred by Liverpool’s streamlined approach, Núñez is set to sign in what could eventually be a club-record deal. A medical examination will continue on today. The breakdown of the transfer fee — an initial £64 million, plus around £21 million in add-ons — is important. Benfica will receive £75 million if Núñez plays regularly, but the rest of the bonuses are linked to player success, in terms of goals scored, and team success. The full amount will only be payable if Liverpool win the Champions League.

Núñez’s wage is likely to be around £140,000-a-week which, over the course of a six-year contract, equates to £43.7 million. It is a huge financial commitment for a player who has had two years in Portugal following a move from Spain’s Almería in 2020 for €24 million (about £20.6 million).

While Núñez started through the centre and moved onto the left during his appearance at Anfield in April, his arrival would represent a break from the multi-functional players that Liverpool have sourced in the past.

 

Núñez scored twice for Benfica against Liverpool in their Champions League quarter-final

JULIAN FINNEY/GETTY IMAGES

The desire for constant evolution means it will be up to Klopp and his assistants to ensure that the team can be tweaked to play to the strengths of the forward, who scored 34 goals last term.

Liverpool will report back for pre-season training on July 4 and whether Núñez is there then or not, due to his international commitments, the fact he will have the whole of pre-season to acclimatise to his new club is viewed as crucial. Núñez does not speak English but, after two years with Benfica, he can speak Portuguese, the language which assistant manager Pepijn Lijnders and Vitor Matos, the elite development coach, use to communicate at the training ground.

The fact that Luis Díaz, who arrived from Porto in January amid interest from Tottenham Hotspur, hit the ground running despite speaking no English will bolster Klopp’s belief that the assimilation of Núñez can be seamless.

This time it was United who were left to rue Liverpool’s recruitment team, who are always drawing up shortlists of targets, and the reluctance of Sadio Mané to enter into talks to extend his contract meant there was added meaning to their work. Julian Ward, the club’s new sporting director, used his contacts in Portugal to ensure Liverpool was Núñez’s preferred destination, which prevented a bidding war developing with United. Ward previously worked as head of analysis and technical scouting for Portugal and was Liverpool’s European scouting manager for Spain and Portugal between 2012 and 2015.

Liverpool remain interested in Aberdeen’s Calvin Ramsay, 18, and have bid £4 million plus add-ons. The Scottish club want bonuses which would reach nearer £10 million. It is likely that a midfielder will be targeted next summer.

Núñez’s debut could come against United in Bangkok on July 12. After United, Liverpool face Crystal Palace in Singapore on July 15 before heading to Austria for a training camp. Games are planned against RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg prior to the Community Shield match with Manchester City.

Liverpool versus City, Klopp versus Guardiola and now Núñez versus the new City striker Erling Haaland is a mouthwatering aperitif to the season.

Its almost like the club/Joyce know the fanbase are going to think that not buying a midfielder is a stupid decision and it will go down like a lead baloon so they try and release it in the most least attention grabbing way.

Talk about Nunez, talk about Ramsay, use the fewest words possible to say we are not buying a midfielder and change the topic back to talking about Nunez. 

 

 

[aRdja]

3 minutes ago, HBenn said:

Its almost like the club/Joyce know the fanbase are going to think that not buying a midfielder is a stupid decision and it will go down like a lead baloon so they try and release it in the most least attention grabbing way.

Talk about Nunez, talk about Ramsay, use the fewest words possible to say we are not buying a midfielder and change the topic back to talking about Nunez. 

 

 

It’s an article on Nunez to be fair.

[El Rojo]

One of the biggest sources of frustration on here pre-Jurgen in terms of transfers (aside from the obvious one of world class players routinely swerving us) was the constant churn of players which saw us spending £60m or £70m on 3 or 4, letting a similar number go for half that money and then repeating the cycle in the next window. 

 

If not going for our £30m fourth choice midfielder now means we get our first choice in January or next summer, it's probably worth waiting for. 

 

Our current strategy might be frustrating in terms of obvious gaps in the squad (though I'd argue it's only one position), but it's heaven compared to the bi-annual shitfest of previous years. It's also coherent. More importantly, three European Cup finals in five years suggests it's pretty effective. 

 

Agree that this is a make-or-break season for Curtis Jones. Big fan of his so hope he does himself justice.   

[joe_fishfish]

Can definitely see us doing a 4-2-3-1 more often next season.

[HBenn]

2 hours ago, gkmacca said:

It's likely to be the latest in the seasonal saga of 'why oh why didn't FSG realise it was obvious?' complaints, and it would be hard to contest this one. You can see why financial prudence might pressure them to snap shut the wallet after a certain expense, but I don't think even now they quite get the need to gamble a bit to keep achieving the lucrative revenue that they currently get by Klopp over-achieving.

 

We went in to last season minus a key midfielder. We are in danger of going into next season still without a replacement for that midfielder, and maybe two players down in terms of back-up, for the oldest part of the team.

 

Curtis Jones was warned publicly last January that he needed to push on, and this month his England manager had to give him the very same warning - and that apparent failure to respond is worrying. Elliott didn't look that great after he returned from injury - one can hope he improves a lot, and finds a bit more pace from somewhere, but he's another with plenty to prove. Carvalho has come in, but no one seem sure where he'll play, let alone how well. Then, for a midfield that's going to need more rotation than any other part of the team, there are promising kids.

 

For the really big games, that's just not good enough. It wasn't good enough (as a general policy) the summer after we won the league, and it isn't good enough now. 

 

I get FSG's desire to be fiscally responsible - it's obviously good and sensible - but you can't keep heading into a season leaving something at the top of your 'To Do' list for the following summer. It just doesn't work like that - especially for a squad that is required to play as intensely as Klopp's is.

Completely agree with this. The club seemed to be after an athletic, powerful player for the midfield so they clearly aren't oblivious to the fact that we need that. Hopefully it is a bluff to someone to try and lower the price on a target.

From memory, we did something similar with Alisson when we kept insisting we wouldn't buy a keeper after Karius's final display. Perhaps the price for the player we want - maybe Nunes - is much higher than we are willing to pay and we are prepared to wait. I cannot believe they would go into next season with our current options.

Neil Jones said a couple of weeks before the CL final that his money would be on us signing a midfielder that wasn't Tchouameni and from most accounts from Liverpool journos we were told ages ago we weren't his preference.

Therefore, with most reliable journos saying Bellingham has never really been viable this summer, wouldn't be surprised if we have had a target in mind for ages and this is all part of the game. The window has only just opened so could be one that just happens out of the blue in 3-4 weeks time.

Maybe the speed of stuff with Sadio took them a little bit by surprise and so that his replacement got priority and now it will return to centre mid.

[El Rojo]

1 minute ago, HBenn said:

From memory, we did something similar with Alisson when we kept insisting we wouldn't buy a keeper after Karius's final display.

That could have had a lot to do with money becoming available from the Fekir deal falling through a few weeks earlier. 

 

Or they might have just have seen Karius' Baywatch video. 

[HBenn]

10 minutes ago, aRdja said:

It’s an article on Nunez to be fair.

It is. However, it is such a significant statement that it warrants more than 1 sentence in the bottom of an article about somebody else. They could have written a whole article on it alone.

As I said, could just be posturing.

 

[Carra_is_legend]

I find it truly bizarre that some think we don't need a midfielder. Hendo did amazingly well last season with the number of games he played (some thru pain) but he is not getting any younger. Thiago is awesome but injury prone. We are ONE injury away from Hendo or Thiago to relying on Keita regularly! Carvalho might be absolutely ace but I don't expect him to start many games. Jones has a lot to improve with him and Elliott mostly used to start odd games but mostly to come on as the 4th or 5th sub. Same goes for Milner.

 

It would be madness to go into the new season with just Fab, Hendo, Thiago and Keita. 

 

EDIT: It would be even more bizarre to go from trying to sign Tchouameni to no one. 

[HBenn]

4 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

That could have had a lot to do with money becoming available from the Fekir deal falling through a few weeks earlier. 

 

Or they might have just have seen Karius' Baywatch video. 

Ha! Yes could be right.

 

The point I was making is they are not averse to saying one thing publically and doing another privately. Who knows what is really going on.

 

With Jürgen and Ward we know we are in safe hands though.