Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

[Grinch]

Firmino carrying the club.. that’s a good one. We’re handicapped by having him as our main non scoring striker. Ox is a much better wide player than Firmino is a striker.

Calls a 1-3 striker non scoring whilst bumming up a wide player who usually scores two a season.

 

Im leaning towards retarded. Difinitely not a smart wum.

[Mark M]

Glad to be proved wrong the lad done much better than I thought he would.

He played very well against stoke.

[mouse1989]

Firmino carrying the club.. that’s a good one. We’re handicapped by having him as our main non scoring striker. Ox is a much better wide player than Firmino is a striker.

Firmino may not score 20 goals plus. But he’s essential to the rest of our attacking players. We’ll score more goals with Bobby as our striker with Mane & Salah supporting then Ox as a winger and a traditional #9 who’ll score 25+

[Harry Squatter]

Some Evertonian taxi driver told me he's on the beak and bangs brasses because his bird won't move up to Liverpool

[Pidge]

9 goals and 5 assists in 20 games for Firmino is fine by me. 

 

Chamberlain is doing well so far, hope he continues to grow into the squad.  This time of year is where having him should help us out.  Keeping pace in the side while rotating.

[TheHowieLama]

 Ox is a much better wide player than Firmino is a striker.

[INTORRESTING]

So mane, salah and firmino wil be better than mane, salah and aubamayeng for example?

[scudger99]

It's not about how good the three are based on their individual merits, it's about how they gel and operate as a forward trio.  And right now what we have is very effective, considering Mane is still looking to kick into gear.  Aubamayeng and various others may be classed as better strikers or goalscorers than Firmino, but they could fuck the balance we currently have right up if they don't bring to the table what Firmino does.

Firmino's football intelligence is very underestimated by a lot of our own fanbase.

[3 Stacks]

Firmino carrying the club.. that’s a good one. We’re handicapped by having him as our main non scoring striker. Ox is a much better wide player than Firmino is a striker.

 

As per usual, that is a horrendous opinion.

 

In terms of chances created, Firmino’s 76 in 2016/17 was bettered only by Messi (78), and was more than twice as many as Ronaldo and Lewandowski combined (both 30), and 19 more than Griezmann. He’s also vastly superior to Suárez, Cavani, Agüero and Higuaín in all the stats mentioned. In terms of passes completed, only Messi (1,278) and Napoli duo Lorenzo Insigne (2,005) and José Callejón (1,320) bettered Firmino’s 1,223, indicating how heavily he is involved in general play, knitting together the attack while dropping deep and combining with the midfield.

 

Firmino also made more tackles (41) than both Gary Cahill (40) and Jan Vertonghen (33) in the Premier League last season, and only one fewer than Laurent Koscielny.

 

Firmino is a very effective striker, although he is a different player from many of the top traditional #9's. Saying he "handicaps" the club is absolutely insane but of course you're so far down the rabbit hole with your opinion that no amount of facts will get you to admit you're wrong. 

[Funkasy]

i think its the other way around, Firmino is over rated a lot by our own fan base. 

[aRdja]

As per usual, that is a horrendous opinion.

 

In terms of chances created, Firmino’s 76 in 2016/17 was bettered only by Messi (78), and was more than twice as many as Ronaldo and Lewandowski combined (both 30), and 19 more than Griezmann. He’s also vastly superior to Suárez, Cavani, Agüero and Higuaín in all the stats mentioned. In terms of passes completed, only Messi (1,278) and Napoli duo Lorenzo Insigne (2,005) and José Callejón (1,320) bettered Firmino’s 1,223, indicating how heavily he is involved in general play, knitting together the attack while dropping deep and combining with the midfield.

 

Firmino also made more tackles (41) than both Gary Cahill (40) and Jan Vertonghen (33) in the Premier League last season, and only one fewer than Laurent Koscielny.

 

Firmino is a very effective striker, although he is a different player from many of the top traditional #9's. Saying he "handicaps" the club is absolutely insane but of course you're so far down the rabbit hole with your opinion that no amount of facts will get you to admit you're wrong.

You’re missing the big picture unfortunately 3 Stacks. Chance creation, pass completion, and tackles are good attributes for a midfielder, not a striker. Dirk Kuyt would’ve had better stats than Torres... but I’d take Torres to lead the line every day of the week. We need goals from him.. Main problem with him is not that he misses a lot of chances, he doesn’t even get into those positions enough. Where he played for us against Stoke, is where I would play him permanently... or not at all. I think Firmino is a good player, but he isn’t a very good striker.

[aRdja]

Firmino may not score 20 goals plus. But he’s essential to the rest of our attacking players. We’ll score more goals with Bobby as our striker with Mane & Salah supporting then Ox as a winger and a traditional #9 who’ll score 25+

Play him behind a traditional #9 and rotate him with Coutinho. Rotate Mane, Salah and Ox for the two wide roles.

[Jose Jones]

Play him behind a traditional #9 and rotate him with Coutinho. Rotate Mane, Salah and Ox for the two wide roles.

Yeah, let’s get Benteke back.

[scudger99]

i think its the other way around, Firmino is over rated a lot by our own fan base. 

You'd have to include Klopp in that because he's obviously one of Klopp's main men.

But what does Klopp know about players, eh ?

[mouse1989]

Play him behind a traditional #9 and rotate him with Coutinho. Rotate Mane, Salah and Ox for the two wide roles.

Worked like a treat when we had Benteke....

[TheHowieLama]

He's Bobby, he plays where he wants

[aRdja]

Worked like a treat when we had Benteke....

We don’t have Benteke any longer though... I don’t understand your point.

[TheHowieLama]

I can help here  - unless the number 9 we are speaking of is one of the top say half dozen in the world that idea may not make our attack any more effective. Make sense?

[aRdja]

I can help here - unless the number 9 we are speaking of is one of the top say half dozen in the world that idea may not make our attack any more effective. Make sense?

Not really. The 7th best forward in the world would definitely improve us. Real ‘Liverpool under FSG’ comment there Howie... Klopp got ridiculed around here for saying something similar at the start of the season.

[TheHowieLama]

Believe me - there are only 6 forwards in the world who would improve us.

[aRdja]

Believe me - there are only 6 forwards in the world who would improve us.

Ridiculous comment.

[Jairzinho]

Fucking hell.

[3 Stacks]

You’re missing the big picture unfortunately 3 Stacks.

 

I don't think you really read my post. As a striker, like, playing in that position, not as a #10, he's second in the world only behind Messi in an important offensive statistic. Because I know you'll need clarification for why that's a good thing, I'll just go ahead and tell you that Messi's pretty good. So that means Firmino is also good.

 

Get it now?

[aRdja]

I don't think you really read my post. As a striker, like, playing in that position, not as a #10, he's second in the world only behind Messi in an important offensive statistic. Because I know you'll need clarification for why that's a good thing, I'll just go ahead and tell you that Messi's pretty good. So that means Firmino is also good.

 

Get it now?

Messi is playing as an attacking midfielder behind Suarez, so I think your use of this particular statistic is somewhat confused IMO.

[3 Stacks]

Messi is playing as an attacking midfielder behind Suarez, so I think your use of this particular statistic is somewhat confused IMO.

 

Messi's an attacker who is asked to create, which he does because he's great. Firmino is an attacker who is asked to create, which he also does because he's also pretty great.

 

Glad I could clarify that for you.