Glasgow Rangers go in to liquidation

[Megadrive Man]

BBC News - Rangers' liquidation Q&A

 

It looks like It's finally happening.

 

It feels strange reading about this kind of stuff again, it takes me back to the dark days of the previous owners here.

 

It would set a pretty poor precedent though If the club are allowed to reform and play in the SPL again next season. I can't help but think we'd have never have been able to do anything like this had we gone out of business.

 

Also Is there any chance Rangers may move in to the English league now?

 

They have spoke about it before and It would make sense to do it now with a new club. It could also represent a real opportunity for investors, even if the club start right at the very bottom they could get into the Premiership in ten years.

[WaltonRed]

They'll go down to Division 3 in Scotland I reckon cos Green's admitted he wants out asap so getting them back in the SPL and in Europe asap will be his plan, that'll be what 3 years?

 

If they joined england it'd be below the conference so it'd take well longer

 

saying that, some SPL clubs want them in cos they'll lose TV and gate money on them being out the league so you never know

[Megadrive Man]

Yeah I've just been reading some more in to it.

 

The other 11 members of the SPL will have to vote on whether or not they should be allowed back in!

 

It seems that generally fans of the clubs don't want them back in as it is more or less letting them off scot free (excuse the pun) However if they're not allowed back in it will mean a huge loss in revenue for these other clubs.

[WaltonRed]

Could be a compromise and they get relegated to division one that way everyone only loses out on a year and they are punished

 

GRFC are goosed anyway, their players will all walk so they'll need a major rebuild

[Magic Sponge]

People are forgetting the huge impact this will have on the current TV rights for the SPL.

[Megadrive Man]

Very true.

 

If Rangers were to quit, then Celtic would surely follow?

[WaltonRed]

we'd both mentioned it!

[Magic Sponge]

we'd both mentioned it!

 

Overall I was talking about.

[Paulie Dangerously]

Any of their players worth nabbing? That Aluko always looks good when I see him

[Steve]

I'm not surprised the CVA was rejected given they agreed a compromise of 25% wages to their players yet offered the Inland Revenue 9%. If they join the English system it'll be in the North West Counties, which means 10 promotions to reach the Premiership, not a chance they'll go for that. Its a interesting balance thats being drawn within the clubss, who stand to lose a shit load of TV money if they're not allowed in the SPL, but then again that could be re-couped if they are jibbed and there's some mor element of competition and teams have a better chance of getting into Europe and generating revenue that way.

Re the 1st Division compromise, dont think thats ever been put forward as an an option, but the way I read it is they cant be relegated retrospectively and the Scottish League wont let a new club in at that level. One way around it could be that they are allowed in the SPL, but say with a 150 point deduciton meaning they are relegation certainties, then will be able to get promoted back within one season.

[Lee909]

If they do go under what happens to Ibrox.

They are saying they will still play there but wouldn't the creditors be able to sell off the stadium and training ground?

[JohnnyH]

The TV rights in Scotland are actually pretty rubbish and so wouldn’t impact any way as much as they would down here. The deal is not hinged on Rangers so there would be no cancelling of the deal or anything like that. They’ll still feel the missed revenue that an RFC game brings in possible TV rights as to an extent its still money out of the pot, but when you consider the payment for getting relegated from the English Premier League is bigger then the entire Scottish TV deal, it does put things into perspective. Smaller SPL clubs will feel it more in lost gate receipts and match day advertising for the 2 home Rangers games.

 

Celtic, Dundee, St Johnston, and Hibs have been quite vocal in telling Rangers they were out of order going to the main courts instead of going to the sports courts, so I think they’ll vote against letting them back in the SPL. They need to get 8 votes to stay in the league and the above already removes enough for their plea to be rejected.

 

My guess is Rangers will be removed from the SPL as a newco. A team will come up from the 1st division and the new Rangers will be voted into that league. At worst, it’ll take them 2 seasons to get back up. For one season in a lower league, they’ll still get to hang on to enough good players, and with the transfer embargo possibly lifted as it’s a newco, they will be able to get a few decent players in who’ll love the chance to play for Rangers that may not have happened were they still top flight. With that, there’s still a good chance they’ll get to one of the cup finals, and if it’s against a team that finishes top 3, then there back into Europe after only 1 year out, much like ourselves.

 

Scotland needs Rangers, regardless of some Celtics fans assertions. I think sending them to the 1st division would work well for everyone, and I think the teams in the 1st division would be delighted also.

[Guest davelfc]

Ranger and Celtic are everything that is wrong with that league, two big clubs who generally have a monopoly on everything. If they can't get in then that vacuum will be taken by another club who will step up to the plate, hopefully a few other clubs will benefit from this.

 

I feel sorry for their fans, in truth I'd feel sorry for almost any clubs fans when their club has gone into liquidation. But this might actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise for that league. But it might take a year or two for this to settle.

[Bjornebye]

Most Celtic fans dont actually want them to go bust or be relegated. it's fun to see them suffer but without them the spl is fucked and Celtic know it.

 

someone up there will be thinking 'hang on a fecking minute wee man' and it will get sorted. Either as a new company or they will manage to sort it out.

 

what they did is wrong and 20 years of titles are tarnished.

 

doubt the sfa would allow them to play teams like cowdenbeath and peterhead week in week out with the following they have.

 

still believe that if both teams came to the epl then within 5 years one of if not both would occupy the top 4 spots.

[RobbieOR]

Johnny, they wont be allowed back into Europe after a year. Uefa rules state that a Newco have to wait 3 years to get back into Europe. Same thing happened to Derry City over here.

[Tommy Lawrence]

Johnny, they wont be allowed back into Europe after a year. Uefa rules state that a Newco have to wait 3 years to get back into Europe. Same thing happened to Derry City over here.

 

Just been reading up on this and I confirm that is correct,no european football for three years.

[JohnnyH]

Johnny, they wont be allowed back into Europe after a year. Uefa rules state that a Newco have to wait 3 years to get back into Europe. Same thing happened to Derry City over here.

 

Ah yes, completely forgot that. That’ll hit them a small bit. But only a small bit, as Scottish clubs don’t allow for long runs in Europe anymore.

[Il Fenomeno]

Rangers fans threatened to boycott away games at the end of last season because the SFA didn't let them get away with their cheating and tax dodging. Why on earth would anyone vote them in if they aren't going to show up to away games, which is the only positive of them being in the SPL for the Scottish clubs, Celtic apart?

 

And this statement from David Murray looks more laughable everytime its repeated:

 

"For every five pounds Celtic spend, we will spend ten."

 

That went well didn't it?

[John McClane]

Pretty sure the training ground (still bizarrely keeping the name, Murray Park) is land locked, investors cannot buy and build property. Ibrox Stadium is a traditional ground (unlike some of the lego stadiums out there) but is located in poor part of the city, 2 miles from a redeveloped clydeside - but a long 2 miles. Again, who would want to buy, there was plans for some sort of super casino in that area 2-3 years ago but all that was just talk.

 

Don't agree with the talk of Rangers getting promotion after promotion if they went down - they cant afford the current team and are not permitted to sign anyone. (only 2 days ago, the chat was a return for Gatusso). However the fans would hopefully still follow the team which would be great for teams like Dumbarton getting attendances of 5 thousand instead of 5 hundred etc..

[Xherdan]

still believe that if both teams came to the epl then within 5 years one of if not both would occupy the top 4 spots.

 

 

With their stadium capacity and the potential for much larger commercial revenues aside from TV deals they would definitely be challenging within that time frame IMO.

[Jonny83]

If it was up to me, I'd have them start in the 3rd division, in fact I'd have them start lower if it wasn't for the fact that the Scottish league pyramid isn't really a pyramid, just 4 leagues and election when there's a space at the bottom. I'm completely apathetic to Rangers (and Celtic for that matter), but just on principle alone, if this is - to all intents and purposes - an all new club, it just feels wrong for them to be arbitrarily inserted back where the old one was - even with sanctions. I know people will say about how the SPL will be Celtic walkover for the next decade, and about TV, gate receipts etc. but no club (or any organisation for that matter) should be "too big to fail".

 

And in the interests of balance I'd have said the same about us and the NW counties (or whatever the actual starting point in the English pyramid is) had things really gone tits up a couple of years ago. Any club should be entitled to a clean break from mis-management and a fresh start, but that fresh start should encompass everything including starting from scratch in a competitive sense. There are examples of clubs in England being rejuvenated by this in the long run (Aldershot and Accrington Stanley spring to mind, Chester too maybe although probably too soon to tell, and AFC Wimbledon obviously, albeit not due to bankruptcy/liquidation).

 

Like I said just my feeling on pure principle (which others are free to disagree with).

[JohnnyH]

I’d agree with the above, I just think that what will happen is that they’ll get re-instated 1 league below. The SPL clubs will be happy enough because they know they’ll get Rangers back and the associated money that comes with their visits to grounds within 2 seasons, and the clubs in the 1st division will be delighted because they get a big club like Rangers in their league for a season or two, and been honest, the leagues lower then that will be ignored.

 

All guess work really and given the power Rangers hold in Scotland, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were kept in the SPL.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

From what conversations I have had with relatives and friends north of the border who are Rangers or Celtic fans, the general consensus from them is that Rangers can Fuck off, they don't lose that much if Rangers go down to the 3rd Division as they compared if they stay up.

 

Hibs for example only get 3500 Rangers fans to Easter Road, so they lose out on 7000 worth of away fans money, however the extra money they would make in the share of the TV money and potential higher league placing more than makes up for it.

 

There is very little sympathy outside of Glasgow for Rangers.

 

It would be nothing short of disgraceful if they are not forced to start again from the bottom.

[RobbieOR]

Agree with Skidders and the two Johnny's.

[Gym Beglin]

 

still believe that if both teams came to the epl then within 5 years one of if not both would occupy the top 4 spots.