Andy Carroll -" Liverpool willing to sell "

[King Emlyn]

I think Carroll has been managed very poorly. As mentioned, he's hardly ever in the box, but then again, nor is any other fucker. This seems to be a team tactic, not a failing of Carroll. You can't score goals from the centre circle.

Possibly; if so he can join the queue of things that have been mismanaged at the club that ate itself.

[Code]

No matter how shite Carroll is we will not get a penny less than £20M for him if we sell him in the summer.

[George Costanza]

No matter how shite Carroll is we will not get a penny less than £20M for him if we sell him in the summer.

 

i'd be delighted with £15m actually. 18 months on it hasn't worked out. Get rid and move on....

 

Our front 4 next season is absolute key. If we get a good quality front 4 then 4th place (or better) will come. The rest of the team for now is fine & plenty good enough for what we want to achieve next season

[LFC 6 Times]

No matter how shite Carroll is we will not get a penny less than £20M for him if we sell him in the summer.

 

Who the Fucks going to pay £20 million for a slow one dimensional striker who has scored 8 goals since last January?

[Jairzinho]

West Ham?

[drewy]

Who the Fucks going to pay £20 million for a slow one dimensional striker who has scored 8 goals since last January?

 

We paid £35M you div.

[LFC 6 Times]

We paid £35M you div.

 

 

I think you'll find that everybody associated with LFC realises what a colossal fuck up that was, no body is going to be as stupid and naive to blow any big sum on this joker.

[coop]

We paid £35M you div.

 

Spurs were rumoured to have offered £25m i think as well.

[LFC 6 Times]

Spurs were rumoured to have offered £25m i think as well.

 

A lot has changed since january 2011, where Caroll was considered this old fashioned beast of a target man to now a laughing stock through out football.

[kalasoma]

A lot has changed since january 2011, where Caroll was considered this old fashioned beast of a target man to now a laughing stock through out football.

 

I hope he puts in a solid performance tomorrow so that the football world can stop laughing at him.

[Kevin D]

No matter how shite Carroll is we will not get a penny less than £20M for him if we sell him in the summer.

 

What makes you say that?

[Code]

What makes you say that?

 

Common sense mate.

[piscinin]

What makes you say that?

 

I reckon plenty of managers would think they could get more out of Carroll than we have. Our whole is less than the sum of our parts at this point.

[Kevin D]

I reckon plenty of managers would think they could get more out of Carroll than we have. Our whole is less than the sum of our parts at this point.

 

Even still 20m is a massive number and we've traditionally been terrible at getting value for our good players. 12m is the absolute most I could see.

[piscinin]

Even still 20m is a massive number and we've traditionally been terrible at getting value for our good players. 12m is the absolute most I could see.

 

Yeah, 12m/20m much the same to me when they are an order of magnitude more than his performances would suggest.

[Paco]

"More than any cup the most important thing for this club is to win the league again." The words resonate these days around Anfield. They actually belong to a 21-year-old Michael Owen, who expressed the sentiment moments after winning the FA Cup by defeating Arsenal in 2001, thanks in the main to his startling masterclass in finishing.

 

Cups were very much the order of the day back then. Liverpool ended the campaign with three of them, as the League Cup and Uefa Cup made for a glittering trophy cabinet to symbolise fresh ambition. "This club is going places," pledged the manager at the time, Gérard Houllier.

 

The season would bring another significant milestone. In 2001 Liverpool made it into the Champions League courtesy of a third-place finish in the league. The cake was duly iced. Rick Parry, who was the club's chief executive, felt something momentous was brewing. "Liverpool got back on the European map after so long in the wilderness," he said. "That year was crucial because it was the first time that we qualified for the Champions League and the revenue and the experience that we gained from that gave us a platform to build upon. That in itself was a huge achievement."

 

There was abundant reason for optimism. But it was telling that during a debriefing with Houllier to celebrate the cup treble, there was noticeable touchiness when the subject turned to whether this could be a platform for winning the title.

 

Questions about how far Liverpool stood from a genuine attempt to reach the Premier League summit pinched a raw nerve. "This is not a press conference about Manchester United," tutted Houllier, with tangible exasperation.

 

It is also worth noting that the sense of irritation coursing down the western section of the M62 flowed both ways. United were conscious that Liverpool's hat-trick stole some of the attention from their Premier League victory.

 

Over a decade down the line the question of how much cups mean in relation to league positions has become even more prickly. The Champions League has had a distorting effect. It was no coincidence that John W Henry, Liverpool's American owner, was quick to turn his thoughts to a Champions League finish while he was being interviewed at Wembley after the club's League Cup victory in February.

 

Although an FA Cup semi-final looms, league defeats have all but extinguished hopes of a top-four spot. Henry, remember, had warned that failure on that front would constitute a "major disappointment" at the beginning of the campaign.

 

According to John Williams, the Liverpool historian and author of Red Men, the emphasis in football has changed from what he calls the "event", such as a cup final, to the "process", such as qualifying for the Champions League. "That is even more so when the owners are foreign," Williams says. "The whole ambition is about being seen as part of the elite in Europe and gaining a route into the global market. Not being able to expose the brand is painful financially as well as in status terms."

 

Williams sees a contrast between the owners, who are focused on the process, and the manager, Kenny Dalglish, who still believes in the magic of the event. "Kenny is old school, from the 70s and 80s where winning trophies is important. This notion of success if you finish second, third or fourth is a bit alien to him."

 

While Liverpool struggle in the league, as an alarming sequence of five defeats from their last six testifies, Dalglish continues to make the case that the team's exploits in the cups deserve more respect. He recently urged critics to "take an intelligence check" such is his conviction that the cups should be taken into greater account when Liverpool's season is assessed.

 

According to Williams, fan opinion at Anfield is split. "Is it enough to win cups? We have this conversation in the pub all the time," he says. "Is it really a successful season for Liverpool even if you finish seventh, 30 points off the top, regardless of winning cups? It is a very live debate."

 

There is no debate when it comes to analysing where the team needs to improve, however. In that 2001 season Owen scored 25 goals. The absence of a predator in the current set-up will be felt acutely as Liverpool visit Newcastle United on Sunday, the club they enriched by £35m in exchange for Andy Carroll in January last year.

 

Dave Usher, editor of the Liverpool Way fanzine, says a shrewder eye for the market is a necessity. "There is only one way to get the club back where we want to be: buy better players," he says. "It really is that straightforward. If we spend our money better, we'll improve on the pitch and have more chance of winning more trophies, getting in the Champions League and attracting better players. Get the signings right and it causes the snowball effect. Get them wrong and you have what we've seen this season – a team set to finish below Newcastle and struggling to hold off Everton, Stoke, Norwich, Swansea, Sunderland etc."

 

What the Carroll deal crystallises is a general concern over the decision making of Dalglish and his scouting department. As Williams points out, this is another thorny and emotionally clouded issue: "Bob Paisley used to say: 'Judge managers by their judgment of players.' The complication of Kenny's situation is that's not how you judge him. He's Kenny. He's the most loved player in the whole history of the club. But in the end the owners have to look coldly at his judgment."

 

And there is the bottom line. Whatever Dalglish feels about what ranks as satisfaction for Liverpool Football Club, we have to wait and see what Fenway Sports Group think at the end of this erratic season.

[Wembley74]

With reguard Andy the club have to do the following 1 bring in players to go with his style or 2 take a hit and sell him in the summer.It can not be allowed to carry on this way.

[Duff Man]

There's not a fucking chance we'll get 20m for him. Why would anyone pay that? He's the laughing stock of English football at the moment. We'll be doing well to get 10m.

[Code]

Lets wait and see.

[Section_31]

£15m we'd get I reckon.

[Mathewbet1]

Guess what? He wont be sold this summer. No value there he s only going to improve hes 22.

[Aldonose]

Unless we dramatically change our style of play, Andy Carroll isn't going to fit into our side any time soon. For that reason alone, his signing (not to mention the fee) is mystifying.

[Captain]

There's not a fucking chance we'll get 20m for him. Why would anyone pay that? He's the laughing stock of English football at the moment. We'll be doing well to get 10m.

 

Of course we won't get £20M for him this summer. Which is why he won't be sold; it's just too big a loss to take.

[Lee909]

From BBC

I spoke to Lawro about Liverpool's poor league form this week, and he pointed out that the Reds do a lot better when Andy Carroll is in their starting XI. The £35m striker has only started 21 of Liverpool's games this season but, when he has done, they have a 62% win percentage compared to a 38% win percentage without him. Lawro is going for a 1-1 draw today, by the way.

[Bernard Diomede]

He can fucking do one after that shit today, I've always tried my best to support him, but his attitude is disgusting. I dont know who the fuck he thinks he is but he needs to be sold and soon.