2021 Africa Cup of Nations

[Josef Svejk]

2 minutes ago, Razoray said:

If the 4th penalty taker scores this probably comes up. 

 

Salah can't be criticised for "taking" the fifth when Mané went 5th and nailed it. Who us to say one of his teammates wouldn't have bottled if they had to take the pen to win the competition?

Also the player who missed the 4th for Egypt - even more of a chance he misses the 5th, with the added pressure of needing to score to stay in the competition. 

 

 

Mane went fifth for the team going first. A significant difference, I suggest. 

[Lee909]

Well in Koulibaly fucking off the suits

Corrupt prices 

[Josef Svejk]

People used to laugh at him for saying it. But I'm starting to think Pele might have been right all along. 

 

An African team will win the World Cup by the year 3000. 

[chrisbonnie]

24 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

Pickford and Krul do it as well I think.

Really? I've honestly never seen it. Simple, but really clever. 

[Torvald Utne]

1 minute ago, Josef Svejk said:

People used to laugh at him for saying it. But I'm starting to think Pele might have been right all along. 

 

An African team will win the World Cup by the year 3000. 

Bookmarking this post for the year 3000 to rub it in your face

[RedHeadedRed]

Infantino is a cunt he's in the pocket of the oil states, just give the trophy to the players you wanker.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

The fuck!? They set up a podium then Infantino walks off with the trophy?!

Absolute fucking farce. Koulibaly had to go with him, because you can't trust anyone from FIFA with any gold.

[Josef Svejk]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Absolute fucking farce. Koulibaly had to go with him, because you can't trust a white man in Africa with anything of value.

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[Supremolad]

16 minutes ago, Razoray said:

If the 4th penalty taker scores this bet probably comes up. 

 

Salah can't be criticised for "taking" the fifth when Mané went 5th and nailed it. Who is to say one of his teammates wouldn't have bottled if they had to take the pen to win the competition?

Also, the player who missed the 4th for Egypt - there is a greater chance he misses the 5th, with the added pressure of needing to score to stay in the competition. 

 

 

Salah took the 5th penalty vs Ivory Coast and won it for them. Mane took the 5th for Senegal and won it for his country. Going 1st doesn't guarantee anything. And even if you scored the 1st, you still need 3 or 4 other players to score theirs.

 

Cameroon's first kicker in the semi final was Aboubakar. He is their best taker and had scored 2 penalties earlier in the tournament. He scored his in the semis but that didnt stop the subsequent 3 takers from shitting the bed and losing to Egypt.

[Code]

26 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

c. 20% of penalty shoot-outs do not make it to the 5th penalty. That is why you do not have your best taker on the final, theoretical kick.

So the other 80% do not count then? Some logic this. 

[Trumo]

Scrappy game with defences on top, as is the way with pretty much every final nowadays.

 

Sadio didn't let his early penalty miss affect him, but Senegal couldn't string together enough meaningful possession or chances even though they generally dominated territory. Egypt were happy to contain and counter (read: play for penalties) and the more Senegal ran out of ideas, the more it looked possible that Egypt might snatch an undeserved goal. They couldn't get Mo into the game enough and more often than not when he got possession, he was surrounded by Senegal defenders. Koulibaly is a big unit and he can shift too.

 

Mo never got to take the fifth kick for Egypt because Sadio wrapped up the title just before. Seeing Sadio during the celebrations, there is something incredibly humbling about his attitude. He was quick to console Mo.

 

If Infantino wanted Paul Biya to hand over the trophy, or rather if Paul Biya had wanted to do so, maybe they should have ensured that the Cameroon president had the accreditation to enter the field of play (all those that took part in the medal ceremony had the official accreditation) so that Koulibaly could properly celebrate with his team. Instead, the whole thing was turned into a shitshow that looked ridiculously awkward.

[Josef Svejk]

2 minutes ago, Supremolad said:

Going 1st doesn't guarantee anything.

It guarantees that you get to take a penalty. 

[Caramac]

 

38 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Some big bottomed girls in those medal carriers!

 

37 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Go on @Caramac

Yep, enough to get the imagination going, right dockers?

 

 

 

[Josef Svejk]

1 minute ago, Code said:

So the other 80% do not count then? Some logic this. 

I don't know what the evidence tells us here one way or another. I'm genuinely curious. 

 

But as usual you're absolutely certain of your own point of view. 

[suzy]

27 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

Mane went fifth for the team going first. A significant difference, I suggest. 

Also he’s not a regular pen taker.

[suzy]

Well I’m glad I didn’t watch the trophy presentation sounds a mess. Should have watched the Boreham wood game instead!!

[Josef Svejk]

2 minutes ago, suzy said:

Also he’s not a regular pen taker.

Also he'd missed in the actual game! 

[Supremolad]

4 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

It guarantees that you get to take a penalty. 

So what? It doesnt guarantee you would score or that your other teammates wouldn't shit the bed.

 

Anyway, extensive research of thousands of penalty shootouts has showed that the 5th kick is harder to score than the 1st kick. So statistically, it makes more sense to have your best kicker on the 5th kick rather than the first.

 

 

[suzy]

54 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

Salah didn't take one in the last shoot out either, there's probably a statistical reason why he's 4th or 5th choice but I always think it's a bad look when the teams best player is positioned to take the 'winning; penalty instead of leading from the front.

 

Didn't Portugal go out on pens without Ronaldo taking one recently?

He did indeed. And we all laughed, I suppose some opposing fans will laugh at Mo, but at least another Liverpool player scored the winner!

[Josef Svejk]

3 minutes ago, Supremolad said:

So what? It doesnt guarantee you would score or that your other teammates wouldn't shit the bed.

 

Anyway, extensive research of thousands of penalty shootouts has showed that the 5th kick is harder to score than the 1st kick. So statistically, it makes more sense to have your best kicker on the 5th kick rather than the first.

 

 

So what? Having a guaranteed chance to score versus possibly not having a chance to score at all? 

 

Those stats don't show the fifth kick is more difficult to score (if you even have a fifth kick). They show it is less likely you will score from the fifth kick. Which is not the same thing. Indeed, if wisdom suggests keeping the best taker for the fifth kick, why are fewer fifth kicks converted? 

[Code]

17 minutes ago, suzy said:

Also he’s not a regular pen taker.

For Senegal he is

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Sad for Mo but glad for Sadio having missed the pen.

[Code]

5 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

So what? Having a guaranteed chance to score versus possibly not having a chance to score at all? 

 

Those stats don't show the fifth kick is more difficult to score (if you even have a fifth kick). They show it is less likely you will score from the fifth kick. Which is not the same thing. Indeed, if wisdom suggests keeping the best taker for the fifth kick, why are fewer fifth kicks converted? 

Because of the pressure in taking what is a deciding penalty compared to one where four other players will step up after you is massive. 

[Grinch]

1 hour ago, therevivalist said:

Great gesture from Mane consoling Mo. Fair and square Senegal deserved the win all things considered. Mo should be alright with seven already in the bag. A loss would've been a disaster for Mane.

Egypt has seven, Mo has none.

[Josef Svejk]

1 minute ago, Code said:

Because of the pressure in taking what is a deciding penalty compared to one where four other players will step up after you is massive. 

You might want to re-read that.