Coronavirus

[Mudface]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

How bout that Justin Turner -- now that is leadership.

What happened there?

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Mudface said:

What happened there?

Dodgers player tested costive for Covid before they won the World Series but still celebrated on the pitch with the team no mask on hugging, posing for pictures kissing the trophy and his wife etc. Then SD got caught 'rep begging' and Spy Bee started talking about pints which explains his incoherent bollocks that he spouts daily. It's all go. 

[Gnasher]

36 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

I got 14 correct answers on University Challenge last week. I was well chuffed with myself. 

 

On the topic of masks not being effective, people saying that also complain that they are uncomfortable and cause overheating as air gets trapped in the pocket between face and mask. It's a rather simple point (and may be easily refutable) but surely if air isn't escaping from the mask as freely as air would when breathing normally, without a mask, then surely the hypothesis that mask wearing reduces the chance of Covid-19 carriers expelling particles on to others (if some air is trapped by a mask?) holds some water and shouldn't just be flippantly dismissed? 

Thinly veiled 'I'm brighter than Rico' post

[Gnasher]

 

[DJLJ]

43 minutes ago, Mudface said:

What happened there?

He tested positive and still came into get his picture taken without mask on etc. In the middle of the whole baseball team. 

[Paulie Dangerously]

Been coughing today so just had a drive thru at Kirkby. I'm 99% sure it's a half term cold but thought best be safe then sorry. Very quick, unpleasant, but organised well. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

9 minutes ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

Been coughing today so just had a drive thru at Kirkby. I'm 99% sure it's a half term cold but thought best be safe then sorry. Very quick, unpleasant, but organised well. 

Sounds like the McDonald's near me too. Shite.

[Duff Man]

8 hours ago, M_B said:

The Daily Telegraph has published a startling exclusive this morning in the UK, reporting that the British government is “privately working on the assumption that the second wave of coronavirus will be more deadly than the first, with the death toll remaining high throughout the winter.”

Internal analysis cited by the Telegraph shows that while deaths will peak at a lower level than earlier this year, they will remain at a high level “for weeks or even months”:

 

It is understood that the projection – provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) – has led to intense lobbying from Sir Patrick Vallance and other Government advisers for Boris Johnson to take more drastic action.

 

“It’s going to be worse this time, more deaths,” said one well-placed source. “That is the projection that has been put in front of the Prime Minister, and he is now being put under a lot of pressure to lock down again.”

With test and trace still in absolute shambles, it can't be too long before we're all in Tier 3/full lockdown again. Happy days. What a fucking clown show this government is.

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

With test and trace still in absolute shambles, it can't be too long before we're all in Tier 3/full lockdown again. Happy days. What a fucking clown show this government is.

310 more deaths reported today, another 600 patients in hospital and 60 or so more on ventilators. What an utter shitshow. People ridiculed Vallance for saying we'd be approaching 200 daily deaths by mid-November- looks like they were right to, we're well past that several weeks earlier.

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Mudface said:

310 more deaths reported today, another 600 patients in hospital and 60 or so more on ventilators. What an utter shitshow. People ridiculed Vallance for saying we'd be approaching 200 daily deaths by mid-November- looks like they were right to, we're well past that several weeks earlier.

We are in a second wave no matter what anyone says. Its fucking grim. 

[Paulie Dangerously]

The key was opening the schools in September. The cases started spiking a few weeks later. They won't shut the schools in a new lockdown so it's moot. 

[Duff Man]

19 minutes ago, Mudface said:

310 more deaths reported today, another 600 patients in hospital and 60 or so more on ventilators. What an utter shitshow. People ridiculed Vallance for saying we'd be approaching 200 daily deaths by mid-November- looks like they were right to, we're well past that several weeks earlier.

We don't have a functioning test and trace system and the govt have just spent the summer telling people to get back to work and eat at Pret every day, so really it's a complete mystery how we got here.

 

EDIT - and, as PD says, the universities/schools debacle, too

[chrisbonnie]

I'm having a bit of a miserable few covid days at the minute. Sorry, I don't have it just getting really down about the situation. 

 

There doesn't seem any light what so ever at the end of the tunnel, last week seemed good, lots of talk about vaccines coming on steam, now all the chatter is these vaccines will be relatively pointless and this "social distance" bollox will have to continue for the foreseeable future. Then apparently these fucking antibodies we produce if we do get infected doesn't last long so technically herd immunity is impossible. Fuck me, what a time to be alive.... 

 

And I also caught a cunting rat in my attic last night to, furry cunt 

[Spy Bee]

6 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Can of worms  that though, people talking about immune responses would argue that the initial lockdown is what will lead to higher death rates in the second wave, as lockdowns 'kick the can down the road' into winter when other diseases are running wild and most people are indoors (not that I'm saying it was the wrong thing to do, NHS was under the kosh and you play the cards you're dealt). 

 

It's interesting though that places that weren't hit so bad in March are being hit hard now, and places that were aren't being hit as bad -  like New York and London. Maybe the virus ripped through those places and enough people have some kind of defence to break the chain of infection and turn it into pockets, rather than a wild fire. 

 

Isn't that basically what happened with Spanish flu? In the first wave they deployed mitigation measures like masks, social distancing etc and in the winter it came back for a second go and fucking hammered everyone, it eventually went away because everyone by then fell into two categories - they'd either had it and built up an immunity to it, or they were dead. 

 

 

London experiencing 8 deaths per day on average. There must be something in the saturation theory, surely.

[Sugar Ape]

[Harry's Lad]

A quick update on my Grandson.

My lad says the little fella is doing ok atm, as is his Mum.

My lad says he doesn't feel great but is managing, so fingers crossed they'll all be ok soon.

Thank you all for your concern and best wishes, it really is appreciated.

[Mudface]

1 minute ago, Sugar Ape said:

Haha, I was thinking of replying, but there's no point.

[Mudface]

Just now, Harry's Lad said:

A quick update on my Grandson.

My lad says the little fella is doing ok atm, as is his Mum.

My lad says he doesn't feel great but is managing, so fingers crossed they'll all be ok soon.

Thank you all for your concern and best wishes, it really is appreciated.

Good, hope that continues.

[Brownie]

4 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

A quick update on my Grandson.

My lad says the little fella is doing ok atm, as is his Mum.

My lad says he doesn't feel great but is managing, so fingers crossed they'll all be ok soon.

Thank you all for your concern and best wishes, it really is appreciated.

Good to hear mate.

[Sugar Ape]

2 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Haha, I was thinking of replying, but there's no point.

Aye, not really worth it any more is it? Been through it too many times. Still waiting for someone to explain how London magically achieved herd immunity while Madrid got hit hard first and second time around. 

On 02/10/2020 at 16:36, Sugar Ape said:

Why were Madrid hit badly first time around and also the most badly hit second time in Spain as well?

 

On 02/10/2020 at 16:47, Spy Bee said:

I have just had a quick look and Madrid has 1410 deaths per million people, which would rank it higher than any country in the world. I can't account for why, but it is a massive outlier. This isn't happening in other areas. London had 1376 deaths per million, so perhaps it's to do with living conditions - overcrowded transport, offices, houses etc. Maybe air pollution plays a factor in increasing viral loads? Lots of variables to consider.

 

On 02/10/2020 at 16:57, Sugar Ape said:

Yes lots of variables to consider, same as there are lots of variables to consider in why London, for example, hasn’t been hit badly this time around. 
 

Either way, regardless of things like air pollution and living conditions - which I would imagine is just as bad in London as Madrid - there is clearly no level of herd immunity in Madrid so I don’t see why London or New York would have magically achieved it. 
 

Harsher restrictions and a change in behaviour from the residents in those locations would seem a much more logical explanation for the current relatively small number of cases. 

 

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

A quick update on my Grandson.

My lad says the little fella is doing ok atm, as is his Mum.

My lad says he doesn't feel great but is managing, so fingers crossed they'll all be ok soon.

Thank you all for your concern and best wishes, it really is appreciated.

Good to hear mate. 

[clangers]

27 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

We don't have a functioning test and trace system and the govt have just spent the summer telling people to get back to work and eat at Pret every day, so really it's a complete mystery how we got here.

 

EDIT - and, as PD says, the universities/schools debacle, too

As Dido Harding stated no one could have possibly predicted this apparently. We're well past the point given the sheer scale of positive tests where even an effective test and trace system could cope.

 

We're now on a 8-10 week path where the whole country ends up in an incrementally implemented defacto lockdown without Boris having to officially announce a national lockdown which in turn avoids him having to piss off his rabid backbench MP's.

[Gnasher]

34 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

We don't have a functioning test and trace system and the govt have just spent the summer telling people to get back to work and eat at Pret every day, so really it's a complete mystery how we got here.

 

EDIT - and, as PD says, the universities/schools debacle, too

I've been following govt guidelines and I dont know if I'm coming or fuvking going. Its gone from 'eat out to help out' to 'starve a kid to save a quid'

[Gnasher]

14 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

A quick update on my Grandson.

My lad says the little fella is doing ok atm, as is his Mum.

My lad says he doesn't feel great but is managing, so fingers crossed they'll all be ok soon.

Thank you all for your concern and best wishes, it really is appreciated.

Aw good news, I'm sure they be ok.

[Mudface]

50 minutes ago, chrisbonnie said:

I'm having a bit of a miserable few covid days at the minute. Sorry, I don't have it just getting really down about the situation. 

 

There doesn't seem any light what so ever at the end of the tunnel, last week seemed good, lots of talk about vaccines coming on steam, now all the chatter is these vaccines will be relatively pointless and this "social distance" bollox will have to continue for the foreseeable future. Then apparently these fucking antibodies we produce if we do get infected doesn't last long so technically herd immunity is impossible. Fuck me, what a time to be alive.... 

 

And I also caught a cunting rat in my attic last night to, furry cunt 

I don't think anything's really changed with regards to the vaccine- we don't know how strong and long-lasting a response they're going to produce compared to the actual virus, but in the worst case you'd need to have regular shots, like the various booster jabs you get for other diseases. Also, I'm certain that research into treatments and more effective vaccines is going to carry on. It'll be a long slog, particularly this winter, but we just have to knuckle down and get through it.