ISIS - To Attack or Not?

[Boss]

20 minutes ago, moof said:

What, all of them? 

Your little vibe backfired. Do you want me to trace the family tree?

[SasaS]

20 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Long but interesting read

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/how-islamic-state-lured-three-uk-teenagers-1.2320836

"It was an early indication that Khadiza, Amira and Shamima seemed to be settling into life in Raqqa. Since then, all three girls have married, their families’ lawyer confirmed. They were given a choice between a number of Western men. One chose a Canadian, another a European. Amira married Abdullah Elmir, a former butcher from Australia, who has appeared in several Islamic State recruitment videos and has been named “ginger jihadi” for his reddish hair."

So, when they finally reached the caliphate, the girls continued making poor choices.

[Rico1304]

I think it’s clear that ISIS has techniques to recruit, but falling for them doesn’t absolve the terrorist from responsibility IMO.  

[Pureblood]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I think it’s clear that ISIS has techniques to recruit, but falling for them doesn’t absolve the terrorist from responsibility IMO.  

What if they're 15?  14?  12?  3?  Baby terrorists?  

[Numero Veinticinco]

Terrortubbies?

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, TK421 said:

What if they're 15?  14?  12?  3?  Baby terrorists?  

Are you aware of the concept of the age of criminal responsibility?  

 

Let the courts decide if she’s guilty. You’ll have noticed I’ve not said don’t let her back.  

[Pureblood]

On 2/14/2019 at 7:47 AM, Rico1304 said:

Still can’t see any reason to have her back.  Feel for the baby.  

 

[Pureblood]

On 2/14/2019 at 12:04 PM, Rico1304 said:

Context? She left the country to marry a fighter in an extreme Islamic state with the full knowledge of what was happening over there.  

 

I dont want want her back, but if she does come back I’d expect her to spend a long time in prison. 

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

 

What do you think that says?  Because it doesn’t say what you think it says.  

 

 

[Oh Buoy]

47 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Long but interesting read

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/how-islamic-state-lured-three-uk-teenagers-1.2320836

 

Reminded me of this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178917300290

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

What do you think that says?  Because it doesn’t say what you think it says.  

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

What do you think that says?  Because it doesn’t say what you think it says.  

 

 

Read what it’s actually says, not what you think it says.  

 

- I wouldn’t bring her back

- I don’t want her back

- if she gets back or gets to a consulate we have no choice

- then let the courts decide 

 

how the fucking hell is that controversial?  

[Pureblood]

On 2/14/2019 at 6:14 PM, Rico1304 said:

‘Get out’ after serving time you mean? That’s what I’m advocating if she has to come back. If they want her to meet justice out there I couldn’t care less.  

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

 

Jesus Christ, that’s entirely consistent with what I’ve said. If she comes back she serves time, if they want to try her then I don’t care.  

 

Comprehension skills are shit nowadays.  

[Dr Nowt]

[Pureblood]

On 2/14/2019 at 7:08 PM, Rico1304 said:

Although i cant wait for her to come back and punch her in the face.  ISIS are like Nazis right? 

 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

 

Fucking hell, are you a bit drunk?  Honestly, you’re embarrassing yourself now.  

[General Dryness]

4 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

This forum in visual form. 

[Pureblood]

22 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

What do you think that says?  Because it doesn’t say what you think it says.  

 

 

It says you don't want her back, because you're a big Muslim hating silly hypocrite who wants to punch teenage girls in the face. 

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, TK421 said:

It says you don't want her back, because you're a big Muslim hating silly hypocrite who wants to punch teenage girls in the face. 

You must be fucking drunk, or had a recent head injury. 

 

I don’t want her back, I wouldn’t spend a penny or second trying to get her back - but she has a right to come back. I notice you’ve not quoted any of the posts where I pointed out the UK had no right to make her stateless. There were at least 2 you must have scrolled past.  

 

The point about punching her was clearly a reference to people on here saying it was always ok to punch a Nazi, no exceptions, no mitigation.  Everyone else got that, except you you fucking cretin. I even referenced the fucking thread!!!  Jesus. 

[Rico1304]

19 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

I’m the one in the orange trousers.  

[Pureblood]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I notice you’ve not quoted any of the posts where I pointed out the UK had no right to make her stateless. There were at least 2 you must have scrolled past.  

 

The point about punching her was clearly a reference to people on here saying it was always ok to punch a Nazi, no exceptions, no mitigation.  Everyone else got that, except you you fucking cretin. I even referenced the fucking thread!!!  Jesus. 

Calm down, love.

 

I didn't quote any of the posts where you pointed out the the UK had no right to make her stateless because your approach suddenly changed when you realised it would be illegal, which was on about page 16.  Prior to that you made an absolute cunt of yourself by saying that you didn't want her back and would like to punch her in the face if she did, because you detest Muslims. 

[ZonkoVille77]

Impossible to masturbate to this thread over the last few pages. 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Calm down, love.

 

I didn't quote any of the posts where you pointed out the the UK had no right to make her stateless because your approach suddenly changed when you realised it would be illegal, which was on about page 16.  Prior to that you made an absolute cunt of yourself by saying that you didn't want her back and would like to punch her in the face if she did, because you detest Muslims. 

WTF? I changed nothing because I knew about the stateless thing before all this started. It was page 16 because this is an old thread.  Fucking hell do yourself a favour and put your phone down. Fucking grade 1 idiot. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I'm not sure why the age of criminal responsibility is being brought up in all of this. That centres around the idea that a child of 10 years of age or above should be able to look at their actions and differentiate between bad behaviour and serious wrongdoing. 

 

As I've often suggested in this thread, we don't know what stimulus and grooming she had been subjected to prior to deciding to go to the "caliphate." Either way, in the absence of evidence to suggest that she's done anything worse, would she even view going to get married as bad behaviour, let alone serious wrongdoing? Particularly if she'd been influenced online too? 

 

The issue that is relevant, for me, is not whether she had attained the age whereby she incurs criminal responsibility, but rather her capacity to make decisions for herself? That's a different thing altogether. Was she a clued up, confident kid. Or was she a bit thick and easily led? If the latter had she been seduced by false promises of a better life, a perfect environment for true Muslims, a place where she'd be welcomed and would thrive etc?

 

Having to make a binary choice of is this right or is this wrong is a fairly different concept to being able to make a free, fully informed decision with full awareness of what you're getting yourself into.