Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Bjornebye]

 

But Jeremy Corby is an anti-semite 

 

 

[aRdja]

An interesting development.

 

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/loach-slams-panorama-documentary-as-a-dishonest-hatchet-job

 

KEN LOACH has put a motion to his constituency Labour Party slamming a Panorama documentary on alleged institutional anti-semitism in the Labour Party as a “dishonest hatchet job” and condemned the BBC for breaking its own code.

The film director – known for classics such as Cathy Come Home and I, Daniel Blake – said that the Is the Labour Party Anti-semitic? documentary was fundamentally biased.

Backlash from the programme’s airing and accusations of “institutional racism” within Labour intensifies with Jewish Voice for Labour (JVL) and constituency Labour Parties (CLPs) having expressed concern over the legitimacy of the claims.

JVL said that the documentary heavily featured advocates for Israel, while a number of CLPs including Bath, Cambridge, Liverpool Riverside and Hornsey and Wood Green have backed the leadership over the party’s handling of anti-semitism claims.

Mr Loach accused the programme of failing to comply with BBC Editorial Guidelines 4.3.12 and 4.3.1.

The first guideline states that the BBC “should not automatically assume that contributors from other organisations (such as academics, journalists, researchers and representatives of charities and think tanks) are unbiased.

“Appropriate information about their affiliations, funding and particular viewpoints should be made available to the audience, when relevant to the context.”

The Panorama show has been slammed for failing to reveal the affiliations of interviewees attacking Labour — with one, Ella Rose, having previously worked at the Israeli embassy while another, Alan Johnson, being editor of the journal of pro-Israel lobby group Bicom.

The second guideline states that a “diversity of opinion” should be included.

In a motion to his Bath CLP earlier this week, he wrote: “There was no attempt to put accusations of anti-semitism in a statistical context. The authoritative figure for reported cases given by [general secretary] Jennie Formby in Feb 2019 was the equivalent of 0.1 per cent of the membership.

“With such a tiny fraction of members involved, how can the case for ‘institutional anti-semitism’ be substantiated?

“Allegations were made without evidence or corroboration and were unchallenged by the interviewer. None of the many Jewish members who hold opposing views were interviewed.

“Two academics expressed opinions that have been fiercely contested in public debate, but this was not acknowledged, nor alternative views allowed,” he added.

He also expressed concern over the “manipulative” use of visuals and “sinister music” to put Jeremy Corbyn in a bad light.

He added that the programme’s potentially undemocratic consequences are revealed in its closing line that “asks for an alternative leader to replace Jeremy Corbyn.”

“It pretended to ask a question but had a pre-determined answer. It disgraced the name of Panorama and exposed the bias endemic within the BBC.”

His motion, which was seconded by Bath CLP member Lesley Bees, demands that the BBC makes a comparable documentary on whether the Labour Party is anti-semitic based on evidence.

[Barrington Womble]

17 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The number of people found guilty of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party represent something like 0.06% of the membership.  Do you think that justifies the wall-to-wall coverage of "Labour’s anti-Semitism crisis"?

The issue is not about percentages is it? It's a question of if the party is institutionally anti-Semitic. For me this comes back to the simple case of Labour's inability to take control of this story, the media's obvious and predictable anti-corbyn bias and the absolute disarray within the labour party where the press don't need to work hard, because of the party infighting. The 1st and last of those 3 things are completely and utterly due to lack of leadership of the party. The middle one is down to the fact the labour party membership in electing Corbyn need to accept someone of his history will be deeply unpopular with the British media. It might not be fair, but it's a fact. All of this problem is completely and utterly self inflicted by labour.  

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

The issue is not about percentages is it? It's a question of if the party is institutionally anti-Semitic. For me this comes back to the simple case of Labour's inability to take control of this story, the media's obvious and predictable anti-corbyn bias and the absolute disarray within the labour party where the press don't need to work hard, because of the party infighting. The 1st and last of those 3 things are completely and utterly due to lack of leadership of the party. The middle one is down to the fact the labour party membership in electing Corbyn need to accept someone of his history will be deeply unpopular with the British media. It might not be fair, but it's a fact. All of this problem is completely and utterly self inflicted by labour.  

It’s self inflicted because, essentially, Labour members decided to elect a leader who is critical of the crimes Israel is committing and because they aren’t in control of the corporate media narrative? It’s their fault for electing a leader with morals who is hated by the corporate media? 

 

Wtf. 

[Barrington Womble]

14 minutes ago, moof said:

It’s self inflicted because, essentially, Labour members decided to elect a leader who is critical of the crimes Israel is committing and because they aren’t in control of the corporate media narrative? It’s their fault for electing a leader with morals who is hated by the corporate media? 

 

Wtf. 

Did you expect Corbyn would get an easy ride off the British media? It was 100% obvious to me they would never allow him to be prime minister because of his "old 80s" labour background. Everyone who voted for him as leader needs to accept this, they selected an leader who could never be prime minister because our press would never allow it. 

 

I expected after Corbyn was elected for him maybe to try and change the conversation for a year or two and then step aside, because he simply has no chance of being elected. That's why all the career politicians in the labour party hate him too. They want to be in government, not failing to beat the worst government in history. 

[moof]

Fucking outstanding. Needless to say, Barry, as with almost everything else, you and I aren’t going to agree on this. 

[moof]

It’s the Labour members fault for voting for someone the corporate media won’t allow to be prime minister...

wow

[sir roger]

The Lords coup is off , after Commons and Lords colleagues told them to behave themselves. The overheated MSM coverage has probably done what they wanted anyway , will be interesting to see the level of coverage of their consequent climbdown.

[Stickman]

Let's face it those two gutless twats Johnson and Hunt aren't going to call Trump out so I guess it's left to Jezza 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/corbyn-trump-iran-crisis-tensions-nuclear-deal-us-tanker-seized-oil-a9013656.html%3famp

 

[sir roger]

Gloria Del Piero not standing at the next election , goes with a plea for tolerance towards right-wingers ( ' We are all left-wing or we wouldn't be in the Labour Party ' - stop laughing at the back ). This from a lady who was given a shadow cabinet place in 2016 only to throw it in Corbyn's face during the chicken coup , and was subsequently forgiven and given another shadcab position. 

 

Strangely enough there seems to be no comments in this line from her when anybody even vaguely left wing ran the reality of McNicol & his cohorts finding excuses to lash you out of the party , or given no hope whatsoever of ever becoming an MP.

 

Sic Transit Gloria.

[Jairzinho]

Gutted.

[sir roger]

Ha Ha , just reading her husband is Watson's communications adviser as well.

[Stickman]

I see that man of principles and integrity Wes Streeting is getting a bit of stick on Twitter for not being a man of principles and integrity

Who'd have thought it 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomDRogers1/status/1152179828390584322

[Captain Howdy]

The Labour party is a fucking mess

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, sir roger said:

Gloria Del Piero not standing at the next election , goes with a plea for tolerance towards right-wingers ( ' We are all left-wing or we wouldn't be in the Labour Party ' - stop laughing at the back ). This from a lady who was given a shadow cabinet place in 2016 only to throw it in Corbyn's face during the chicken coup , and was subsequently forgiven and given another shadcab position. 

 

Strangely enough there seems to be no comments in this line from her when anybody even vaguely left wing ran the reality of McNicol & his cohorts finding excuses to lash you out of the party , or given no hope whatsoever of ever becoming an MP.

 

Sic Transit Gloria.

In fairness to her, she's been quick to quash the media headlines about her leaving because of "intolerance".

 

 

[Creator Supreme]

8 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

In fairness to her, she's been quick to quash the media headlines about her leaving because of "intolerance".

 

 

So now the mirror, the alleged Labour paper, is shit stirring? Incredible.

[moof]

Shame about Gloria De Piero, means I’ll have to find a new bae MP. Laura Pidckock and Rebecca Long-Bailey are the front runners. Better politics but not quite as lovely. Heidi Allen would be in with a shout but is about to lose her seat. Hmm... I’ll have to have a think about it. 

[Barrington Womble]

4 hours ago, moof said:

It’s the Labour members fault for voting for someone the corporate media won’t allow to be prime minister...

wow

Do you want a labour prime minister? Surely the job of a labour member is to elect a leader who can be one. You can either accept the world we live in and be a realist or stick to who is ideal for you personally.  The reality is Corbyn will never be prime minister or certainly elected prime minister.... He may hit a 2 week jackpot in the unlikely event there's a vote of no confidence in the government and he forms a government for long enough to extend art 50. Then goes on to lose the GE. 

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

Shame about Gloria De Piero, means I’ll have to find a new bae MP. Laura Pidckock and Rebecca Long-Bailey are the front runners. Better politics but not quite as lovely. Heidi Allen would be in with a shout but is about to lose her seat. Hmm... I’ll have to have a think about it. 

See we can agree on some things. 

[moof]

Just now, Barry Wom said:

Do you want a labour prime minister? Surely the job of a labour member is to elect a leader who can be one. You can either accept the world we live in or be a realist. The reality is Corbyn will never be prime minister or certainly elected prime minister.... He may hit a 2 week jackpot in the unlikely event there's a vote of no confidence in the government and he forms a government for long enough to extend art 50. Then goes on to lose the GE. 

I want a socialist prime minister. Not a new labour prime minister, a neoliberal prime minister, a compromised or corrupt prime minister, a bought prime minister.

 

If we are picking leaders based on who the corporate press will allow to become prime minister then I’d rather not participate in the whole charade. Fuck it off. 

[moof]

Just now, Barry Wom said:

See we can agree on some things. 

Haha. Fair play mate 

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, moof said:

I want a socialist prime minister. Not a new labour prime minister, a neoliberal prime minister, a compromised or corrupt prime minister, a bought prime minister.

 

If we are picking leaders based on who the corporate press will allow to become prime minister then I’d rather not participate in the whole charade. Fuck it off. 

But here's the thing. We could probably get a decent left prime minister. But not someone from the 80s aligned with the middle East as much as Corbyn has been. We also got more good government from the Blair and brown years than any of the Tory years before and after. Anyone within the labour party is a better choice than hunt or Boris, because that's what we're getting with Corbyn in charge of labour. 

[Jairzinho]

Who is your choice as the decent left wing candidate to take over from Corbyn?

[moof]

1 minute ago, Barry Wom said:

But here's the thing. We could probably get a decent left prime minister. But not someone from the 80s aligned with the middle East as much as Corbyn has been. We also got more good government from the Blair and brown years than any of the Tory years before and after. Anyone within the labour party is a better choice than hunt or Boris, because that's what we're getting with Corbyn in charge of labour. 

It’s not 1997 any more mate. We have some real big challenges ahead of us, I don’t think they can be solved by us settling on anyone better than Boris or Hunt 

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, moof said:

It’s not 1997 any more mate. We have some real big challenges ahead of us, I don’t think they can be solved by us settling on anyone better than Boris or Hunt 

But Corbyn will not get elected. That is the absolute reality of the situation. Our Rebecca might, gardener or Starmer. But Corbyn just will not win a GE. And when he loses we get 5 years of Hunt or Boris and that would be an absolute disaster and it seems likely that cunt Johnson is an almost certainty to win their leadership contest. For me it's very much anyone but Johnson, I just can't contemplate him as prime minister. He's going to get his foot in the door this week, but with any luck brexit will force him to a GE before the year is out. Labour have to be ready to win when that happens. Right now we don't even know if labour will campaign on staying in or leaving the EU in that GE. That's the mess we're in.