Pardew

[magicrat]

Newcastle have agreed compensation with Palace so Ashley must want rid. He's free to leave if he wants, and if he doesn't, he'll probably be forced out anyway.

 

Can't see many established managers desperately wanting the Newcastle job, presume they'll get someone cheap and untested - unless it's Kinnear. Please let it be Kinnear

Coloccini according to rumours,  Pulis wouldn't be the worst choice they could make

[Gnasher]

Tim Sherwood at Newcastle would be comedy gold.

[manwiththestick]

No matter much much shite you're in you can always rely on Newcastle to go one better. Joke of a club.

[ngogswilly]

 

[Joe Strummer]

Carragher just pissed himself when EC said Collicini was favourite to replace Pardew.

[Iceman]

[Anubis]

Pulis walked on Palace over a lack of transfer funds. Can't see him walking into the same situation at Newcastle.

[Harry Squatter]

Bring Gazza home

[VladimirIlyich]

Pardew was/is on an 8 year contract so him moving clubs will most likely save Ashley a load of cash in compensation.

[Winston Wolf]

You get the feeling that Newcastle will be laughing up their collective sleeves at this turn of events. They've got compensation to the tune of 2m for a manager that they gave a ludicrous contract to and couldn't afford to sack.

[Baltar]

Has Ashley really been that thrifty when it comes to transfers? Newcastle have bought out most of Ligue 1 in recent years so I think he's been a bit more generous than some owners.

[Denny Crane]

 

Go easy on any Newcastle supporters you see this morning, for they may be in a delicate state, nursing sore heads after the festivities of Monday evening. News that Alan Pardew was closing in on a move to Crystal Palace brought talk of 'Pardew Out' parties. This was a day that many had long refused to believe would come; their stooge had left the club.

There will be many who suggest Newcastle's supporters are foolish, or at least previous, in their celebrations. "He took you to fifth in the Premier League," is the repeated cry, and that's true. But he has since taken them to fifth bottom. Why is it that a top-five finish two-and-a-half years ago is more relevant than what followed?

 

Weirdly, there seems to be a sense of sympathy for Pardew amongst many in the mainstream media, as if he has been deeply wronged during his time at St James' Park. This is a man who was sacked by Southampton in League One prior to his appointment by Mike Ashley and sacked by Charlton towards the foot of the Championship even before his time at St Mary's. Let's not pretend that Pardew was not willing to dance with the devil on Tyneside in order to take his over-promotion. He now walks into another Premier League job on a higher wage.

 

Since June 2012, when that fifth place was achieved, Newcastle's form has been largely dire. Of the 15 Premier League clubs to have played all 95 matches since, no club has lost more league games than Newcastle's 45. Only Aston Villa have kept fewer clean sheets, only three teams have collected fewer points and no club has conceded more goals.

 

Pardew has provided short bursts of success in that time, barely keeping his head above water. His side won four consecutive league games in November 2013, and a similar run a year later appeared to save his job when the P45 had already been filled out in pencil.

But these brief glimpses of success were an ineffective second honeymoon in Paris, a lack of chemistry creating romance by numbers.

 

 

The love had long been lost, divorce was the likely ending. The only surprise was that it was Pardew himself that called the shots. Newcastle earned £2.5m for a manager they were urged to sack two months earlier.

 

More importantly, just as the connection between supporters and Newcastle has soured under Ashley's ownership, so too had the relationship between those same fans and their manager. Supporters did not celebrate on Monday night purely because they thought Pardew was a poor manager, but because of what he represented. Their bitterness goes deeper than mere performance.

 

For them, Pardew was a willing participant in Newcastle United's dreary malaise, the acceptance of mediocrity. The reason that Ashley kept patience with Pardew through the stickier patches of his management (headbutting an opposition player and calling Manuel Pellegrini a "f**king old c***", to name two examples) is that he was the perfect lightning rod for fans' ire. '

 

'Do just enough but not too much' appears to be Ashley's mantra, and Pardew would nod approvingly. "It fills me with dread," was the manager's assessment of Europa League qualification in February, when Newcastle sat six points from the top six. They eventually fell away to finish tenth.

 

Pardew's public persona seemed designed to limit ambition. "Perhaps we at board level say what other boards don't say - that the Premier League is the be all and end all because of the TV money," was August's honest message, but Pardew then undermined this priority. "The average for this club over the last 10 years is 48 points," he said. "If we get that or anything above that it will be a good season for us." It is that sort of stunted ambition that most angers supporters.

 

As always with Newcastle, there is a 'but'. Owner Ashley may have permitted the signing of nine players this summer at a cost of over £35m, but his recent appointments have been steeped in familiarity: Jobs for the boys doesn't even come close.

 

Pardew himself was a beneficiary of that principle, as too were Joe Kinnear, Lee Charnley and Dennis Wise. It's a motley crue indeed. Defender and captain Fabricio Coloccini was an early favourite for the job (although his odds have since drifted following the Independent's initial claim), and would be an economical but risky option. Tim Sherwood is another likely candidate.

 

Frankly, Newcastle fans are prepared to take that risk. And, however badly his successor performs, they are unlikely to look back at Pardew's tenure fondly. This is less 'you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone' and more 'shut the door on your way out'.

In modern football, all fanfare but not fan fair, supporters are powerless. They are ripe for exploitation through their loyalty to their clubs, and in Newcastle this emotional commitment verges on total addiction.

 

The football club is meant to be their social institution, but instead it sits at the whim of a multi-millionaire owner with a questionable record in decision-making.

Unable to control things at a macro level, fans must instead look to find contentment in the micro, and boasting pride and respect for the manager is one such path to happiness. Newcastle fans were proud of Chris Hughton and Kevin Keegan (both Ashley appointments), but not the treatment they received from the owner.

 

 

But they were never proud of Pardew. They never respected him either, his objectionable anger issues embarrassing the club. Most importantly of all, they could never stomach what he represented, the creeping recognition that mediocrity was the aim.

 

His replacement may not be the ideal man or ideal manager, but as long as Pardew remained at the club there would be an irrevocable disconnect between the fans and the club. They will dream that this is the first step (and only the first step) on the road to a better Newcastle.

 

Lady Elsie Robson (widow of the late Sir Bobby) once said: "This club took Bobby from the darkness of Langley Park Colliery to the bright glare of the floodlights. Black and white were the shades that always clung to him." That's what Newcastle fans dreams of.

Robson's tenure now seems like a distant memory of a happier time. Things were never perfect, but supporters had a manager who was closer to an ambassador than Pardew could ever aspire to be.

 

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9625392/F365-Says

[ratcatcher]

Having lived and worked a lot in Newcastle, Ive a lot of friends there. True to say many of them wanted pardew out. Depending who you'd speak to, he was ashley's stooge(!), a manager who couldnt beat sunderland or just an inept manager.

 

I used to warn them recently they should be careful else they might end up with moyes in charge (this was before he surfaced in Spain) and to my surprise, many of them said they'd take him.

 

But, that glosses over the problem with newcastle. And that is ashley. He just doesnt see the point in investing in the team. Toon fans regularly told me ashley is happy being mid table, a couple of cup runs and if enything extra falls into place, say European qualification, all well and good.

 

Any manager there is going to have the same problem as pardew. He'll get little money to spend and that's if he is able to buy players he wants. Many toon fans think ashley had the final say on who was signed. Selling players under the manager? Yep, if ashley got a good offer, the player left despite the manager's point of view.

 

Some observers have said ashley wanted rid of pardew so agreed to palace's request to speak to him. More likely, the £2.5m heading to owner ashley's coffers had more to do with it. Sell players under the manager, why not agree to a bonus £2.5m for the manager?

 

The mere fact pardew is more than happy to leave a bigger club like newcastle for a relegation scrap with palace speaks volumes. Yes, the wage he gets may have something to do with it. But the probable last say on transfers into and out of the club and a less hands on approach from the palace owner will undoubtedly have a far bigger impact.

 

Meanwhile, who will newcastle get to come in and work under the same conditions as pardew endured? That remains to be seen but if toon fans think they may get a big name in, I think they can forget it. Especially while ashley keeps a tight hold of the purse string and runs the club to his M.O.

 

"Under their skin"

[Trumo]

Meanwhile, who will newcastle get to come in and work under the same conditions as pardew endured? 

 

Is Ally McCoist still on gardening leave or can he start straight away?

[Harry Squatter]

Terry Venables hasn't worked for a while has he?

[Dr. J]

 

There will be many who suggest Newcastle's supporters are foolish, or at least previous, in their celebrations. "He took you to fifth in the Premier League," is the repeated cry, and that's true. But he has since taken them to fifth bottom. Why is it that a top-five finish two-and-a-half years ago is more relevant than what followed?

 

 

I'm sure some around here can have a go at answering that question.

[markcd]

 

Make it happen

[Melchett]

​Allegedly  Mike Ashley is a part-owner of a fair few casinos in Dat Der Lundun and allegedly Pardew owes/owed them a lot of cash, the "rumour" is that Pardew was working off the debt, hense being the lowest (by a distance too) paid manager in the PL.

[Denny Crane]

No way Sherwood would get the job, he's no stooge I'll give him that.

 

I reckon some out of retirement Frenchman who managed in the French 7th divison that no-one has ever heard of, or Joe Kinnear.

 

Bruce is struggling at Hull and probably wants out and is a geordie but is also a sacked Sunderland manager.

[thompsonsnose]

 

Go easy on any Newcastle supporters you see this morning, for they may be in a delicate state, nursing sore heads after the festivities of Monday evening. News that Alan Pardew was closing in on a move to Crystal Palace brought talk of 'Pardew Out' parties. This was a day that many had long refused to believe would come; their stooge had left the club.

There will be many who suggest Newcastle's supporters are foolish, or at least previous, in their celebrations. "He took you to fifth in the Premier League," is the repeated cry, and that's true. But he has since taken them to fifth bottom. Why is it that a top-five finish two-and-a-half years ago is more relevant than what followed?

 

Weirdly, there seems to be a sense of sympathy for Pardew amongst many in the mainstream media, as if he has been deeply wronged during his time at St James' Park. This is a man who was sacked by Southampton in League One prior to his appointment by Mike Ashley and sacked by Charlton towards the foot of the Championship even before his time at St Mary's. Let's not pretend that Pardew was not willing to dance with the devil on Tyneside in order to take his over-promotion. He now walks into another Premier League job on a higher wage.

 

Since June 2012, when that fifth place was achieved, Newcastle's form has been largely dire. Of the 15 Premier League clubs to have played all 95 matches since, no club has lost more league games than Newcastle's 45. Only Aston Villa have kept fewer clean sheets, only three teams have collected fewer points and no club has conceded more goals.

 

Pardew has provided short bursts of success in that time, barely keeping his head above water. His side won four consecutive league games in November 2013, and a similar run a year later appeared to save his job when the P45 had already been filled out in pencil.

But these brief glimpses of success were an ineffective second honeymoon in Paris, a lack of chemistry creating romance by numbers.

 

 

The love had long been lost, divorce was the likely ending. The only surprise was that it was Pardew himself that called the shots. Newcastle earned £2.5m for a manager they were urged to sack two months earlier.

 

More importantly, just as the connection between supporters and Newcastle has soured under Ashley's ownership, so too had the relationship between those same fans and their manager. Supporters did not celebrate on Monday night purely because they thought Pardew was a poor manager, but because of what he represented. Their bitterness goes deeper than mere performance.

 

For them, Pardew was a willing participant in Newcastle United's dreary malaise, the acceptance of mediocrity. The reason that Ashley kept patience with Pardew through the stickier patches of his management (headbutting an opposition player and calling Manuel Pellegrini a "f**king old c***", to name two examples) is that he was the perfect lightning rod for fans' ire. '

 

'Do just enough but not too much' appears to be Ashley's mantra, and Pardew would nod approvingly. "It fills me with dread," was the manager's assessment of Europa League qualification in February, when Newcastle sat six points from the top six. They eventually fell away to finish tenth.

 

Pardew's public persona seemed designed to limit ambition. "Perhaps we at board level say what other boards don't say - that the Premier League is the be all and end all because of the TV money," was August's honest message, but Pardew then undermined this priority. "The average for this club over the last 10 years is 48 points," he said. "If we get that or anything above that it will be a good season for us." It is that sort of stunted ambition that most angers supporters.

 

As always with Newcastle, there is a 'but'. Owner Ashley may have permitted the signing of nine players this summer at a cost of over £35m, but his recent appointments have been steeped in familiarity: Jobs for the boys doesn't even come close.

 

Pardew himself was a beneficiary of that principle, as too were Joe Kinnear, Lee Charnley and Dennis Wise. It's a motley crue indeed. Defender and captain Fabricio Coloccini was an early favourite for the job (although his odds have since drifted following the Independent's initial claim), and would be an economical but risky option. Tim Sherwood is another likely candidate.

 

Frankly, Newcastle fans are prepared to take that risk. And, however badly his successor performs, they are unlikely to look back at Pardew's tenure fondly. This is less 'you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone' and more 'shut the door on your way out'.

In modern football, all fanfare but not fan fair, supporters are powerless. They are ripe for exploitation through their loyalty to their clubs, and in Newcastle this emotional commitment verges on total addiction.

 

The football club is meant to be their social institution, but instead it sits at the whim of a multi-millionaire owner with a questionable record in decision-making.

Unable to control things at a macro level, fans must instead look to find contentment in the micro, and boasting pride and respect for the manager is one such path to happiness. Newcastle fans were proud of Chris Hughton and Kevin Keegan (both Ashley appointments), but not the treatment they received from the owner.

 

 

But they were never proud of Pardew. They never respected him either, his objectionable anger issues embarrassing the club. Most importantly of all, they could never stomach what he represented, the creeping recognition that mediocrity was the aim.

 

His replacement may not be the ideal man or ideal manager, but as long as Pardew remained at the club there would be an irrevocable disconnect between the fans and the club. They will dream that this is the first step (and only the first step) on the road to a better Newcastle.

 

Lady Elsie Robson (widow of the late Sir Bobby) once said: "This club took Bobby from the darkness of Langley Park Colliery to the bright glare of the floodlights. Black and white were the shades that always clung to him." That's what Newcastle fans dreams of.

Robson's tenure now seems like a distant memory of a happier time. Things were never perfect, but supporters had a manager who was closer to an ambassador than Pardew could ever aspire to be.

 

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9625392/F365-Says

Thick Geordie twats that don't realise whoever Ashley appoints, item 1 on the job description will always be to act as a buffer between themselves and his uber asset stripping ways.

I hope they get fucking relegated.

[Denny Crane]

You can get shorter odds on Ant & Dec being the next Newcastle manager than us winning the league this season.

[Denny Crane]

Thick Geordie twats that don't realise whoever Ashley appoints, item 1 on the job description will always be to act as a buffer between themselves and his uber asset stripping ways.

I hope they get fucking relegated.

 

Thick Geordie twats that don't realise whoever Ashley appoints, item 1 on the job description will always be to act as a buffer between themselves and his uber asset stripping ways.

I hope they get fucking relegated.

 

I think they know but four years of looking at Pardew being smug and slimey has worn them down.

[Trumo]

What odds can you get on a police horse being given the job? If Ashley wants a buffer to take all the flak from fans when results inevitably go pear-shaped, what better buffer.

[Denny Crane]

Indeed Sportsmail understands Pulis has already rejected the advances of Newcastle, who are also understood to have approached him through intermediaries but stated immediately that he would have to fit into their own management structure with owner Mike Ashley and head scout Graham Carr.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891113/Tony-Pulis-insists-sole-charge-West-Bromwich-Albion.html#ixzz3NPKNBcOs
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I see a mid-table team who have not won anything for 60 odd years did not let Pulis dicate terms of his employment .

[ratcatcher]

​Allegedly  Mike Ashley is a part-owner of a fair few casinos in Dat Der Lundun and allegedly Pardew owes/owed them a lot of cash, the "rumour" is that Pardew was working off the debt, hense being the lowest (by a distance too) paid manager in the PL.

 

This was one of the rumours mentioned by Newcastle fans I know. Must admit, I think its bollocks. I mean, who's going to employ someone who is that much of a loser and doesnt know when to stop?

 

Its a great rumour (well not if you're pardew) but I just dont buy it personally.

 

"Under their skin"