UKIP

[Cardie]

12% of the votes gets you 1 person elected ? Sounds a reasonable democracy you got going there.

What can I say, sometimes it works out for you.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

More bullshit about immigration in the media in the last few days.

http://leftfootforward.org/2015/05/false-story-about-mark-carney-repeated-by-nigel-farage-in-media-echo-chamber/

 

On Friday MediaWatch reported on a misleading story in the Telegraph and elsewhere which selectively quoted Bank of England governor Mark Carney on the impact of immigration on UK wage growth.

Today this distortion, which misrepresented Carney’s remarks, has been picked up by UKIP leader Nigel Farage, who cited them in an interview with…the Telegraph.

From today’s story:

But a 

defiant Mr Farage

 told 

The Daily Telegraph

: “I will continue to lead Ukip as I have, broadening policies.

“They don’t want the party to 

attract opprobrium

 but if you take on the political class on tough issues you attract opprobrium.

“When I said large scale open door immigration was 

depressing wages

 I was told it was a dreadful thing to say and I was scapegoating migrants. 

Now Mark Carney agrees with me.

“

The original story was plastered on the front of the Daily Mail and claimed that Mr Carney had blamed immigration for low wage growth.

In fact, Carney had attached some remarks to a BoE report in which he named several factors – older people working longer, people working more hours, general population growth – along with immigration. The press however decided to zoom in on only the last of these.

When Carney was asked point blank the next morning whether wage growth was driven down by foreign labour, he rejected the idea, adding that immigration would actually boost productivity.

But of course, it’s too late. A dodgy story is slapped on the front pages and repeated by a reactionary politician looking for a handhold to save his job, and it becomes as good as true.

(It’s worth noting that Carney also called Europe – UKIP’s raison d’etre – ‘the largest investor in the United Kingdom’.)

This is a good example of how dishonest reporting can influence politics, evidence be damned, creating an echo chamber of half-truths that drives progressive politics off the ‘agenda’.

***

Meanwhile, the Daily Express continues to act like an arm of UKIP’s press team, with its front page story ‘UKIP: party war is over’ claiming Farage and MP Douglas Carswell are now the best of friends:

“The 

Daily Express

 understands that the pair will hold a meeting within the next two weeks to 

put the matter to rest

 and 

together move the party forward

.”

This sugary coverage obviously has nothing to do with Express proprietor Richard Desmond filling UKIP’s coffers with a whopping £1 million donation before the general election.

[lifetime fan]

Watching a recording of John Oliver and just found out a UKIP council candidate in Bristol was in fact a porn star nearly 60!

[Frankenhooker]

Watching a recording of John Oliver and just found out a UKIP council candidate in Bristol was in fact a porn star nearly 60!

Aye, it was in the Evening Post, he went by the name Johnny Rockard. He filmed one of his films on the UWE campus without their knowledge and they took legal action.

[lifetime fan]

You Bristol based?

[Frankenhooker]

You Bristol based?

I moved to Bristol for Uni twenty years ago and never left. Great city.

[lifetime fan]

Where are you based?

[frankenhooker01]

Where are you based?

Ashley Down Road, about ten minutes walk from the Memorial Stadium.

[lifetime fan]

Know it well, nice area to live.

 

My place is just off Muller Road, up in Lockleaze.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Another gem from the "I'm not racist, but" party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/29/ukip-mohammed-drawing-lord-pearson_n_7468706.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

A former Ukip leader has asked the Government if it will support a Prophet Mohammed drawing competition, less than a month after gunman opened fire at a similar event in the US.

Lord Pearson of Rannoch, who led the anti-EU party between 2009 and 2010, formally submitted the question to the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) yesterday.

Cartoons of Mohammed have proved extremely controversial in recent years, with some fundamentalist Muslims claiming drawing the Prophet is blasphemous.

Earlier this month, two heavily armed men were shot dead after opening fire at an arts show displaying pictures of Mohammed just north of Dallas, Texas.

Lord Pearson, who has been criticised in the past for claiming the Qur’an inspired the killers of Fusilier Lee Rigby in 2013, asked if the Government “plan to support a contest in the United Kingdom between artists depicting the prophet Mohammed, and if so, whether they will provide security protection for such an event.”

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain dismissed the question, and said: "Baron Pearson of Rannoch often makes silly propositions, and this is one of them."

Ukip distanced itself from its former leader’s question, and a spokesman said: “Lord Pearson is asking the question in a personal capacity and is not doing so on behalf of Ukip.”

In January this year 12 people were killed in an attack on the headquarters of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, which frequently drew pictures of Mohammed, as well as other religious figures.

Al-Qaeda’s Yemen branch claimed responsibility for the attack, with one Shariah cleric saying it was “revenge for the honour” of Mohammed.

After the attacks, Ukip’s London MEP Gerard Batten renewed his call for Muslims to sign a declaration against violence.

Mr Batten originally published “A Proposed Charter of Muslim Understanding” in 2006, which called on Muslims to reject parts of the Qur’an which he claimed advocates “violent physical jihad”.

The leader of the Conservatives in the European Parliament, Syed Kamall, responded to the Charter by leaving a letter on Mr Batten’s seat in Strasbourg which read: "I am anxious to assure you that I have no intention of mounting any attacks on unsuspecting infidels, nor of attempting to radicalise you or anyone else.”

"If the forms aren't ready yet, perhaps you would take this note as my guarantee?

“My wife and family would be most reassured to know you will allow me to stay in Britain, especially since I was born here.

“Please feel free to drop into my office to discuss this over a cup of tea. I promise you will be entirely safe."

DCMS has yet to respond to the question.

Peers who submit queries through the Order Paper via the Lords Table Office can expect an answer with 14 days.

Lord Pearson's tenure as Ukip leader was unsuccessful, with the 2010 General Election manifesto produced while he was in charge later described as "drivel" by Nigel Farage.

[Rico1304]

UKIP are idiots but that's not racist.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

UKIP are idiots but that's not racist.

It is.

 

Unless you can think of a non-racist reason for asking the Government to support a "let's cause gratuitous offence, just to insult a religious minority" contest.  Or a non-racist reason for calling for special restrictions on religious minorities.

[Rico1304]

It is.

 

Unless you can think of a non-racist reason for asking the Government to support a "let's cause gratuitous offence, just to insult a religious minority" contest.  Or a non-racist reason for calling for special restrictions on religious minorities.

The Muslim race? You can't convert to a race.

[Rotpeter]

The Muslim race? You can't convert to a race.

Racist is like socialist.  Terms that have drifted so far from their original meaning that they exist mostly for reasons other than communicating now.

[Rico1304]

I don't want to get into a row about religion in a thread dedicated to exposing UKIP as cunts.

[Jairzinho]

It's fucking stupid, whether it's racist or not.

[Rico1304]

It's fucking stupid, whether it's racist or not.

Correct, getting annoyed enough to kill over a drawing is about as stupid is it gets.

[Strontium]

It does explain one reason why UKIP have risen though. There is nothing remotely wrong about drawing pictures of Mohammed - a person should be able to draw pictures of whatever the hell they want - yet mainstream parties are scared of defending this entirely reasonable activity. Ceding the defence of free speech to the likes of UKIP is dumb.

[Section_31]

It winds me up the way the word UKIP makes everything newsworthy. 

 

"Lord Pearson of Rannoch, who led the anti-EU party between 2009 and 2010".

 

See it all the time on the news now. 

 

"A UKIP parish counsellor's wife from tits-on-sea in Devon with a proven history of quite obvious mental illness has courted controversy by claiming black people are descended from Radishes".

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The Muslim race? You can't convert to a race.

I can't convert Islam to a race for the simple reason that there's no such thing as "race".

 

Racism, however, does exist.  It's the hatred or fear of members of a group who you perceive to be different or inferior, on the grounds of their ethnicity or other perceived shared characteristics.  Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are forms of racism.

 

If you're hung up on definitions, I'll switch the word "racist" for "bigoted".  Can you think of a non-bigoted reason for asking the Government to support a "let's cause gratuitous offence, just to insult a religious minority" contest?  Or a non-bigoted reason for calling for special restrictions on religious minorities?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It does explain one reason why UKIP have risen though. There is nothing remotely wrong about drawing pictures of Mohammed - a person should be able to draw pictures of whatever the hell they want - yet mainstream parties are scared of defending this entirely reasonable activity. Ceding the defence of free speech to the likes of UKIP is dumb.

There's nothing remotely wrong with offering someone a ham sarnie.  However, if the only reason you are doing it is because you know that person has a religious prohibition on ham, then you're just acting like a dick, for its own sake.  

 

What's wrong with respecting people's right to religion (whether you share their faith or not)?

 

I suppose a lot of this depends on your upbringing.  My parents didn't raise cunts.

[Jairzinho]

Correct, getting annoyed enough to kill over a drawing is about as stupid is it gets.

 

As is deliberately insulting and inflaming people. 

[Strontium]

There's nothing remotely wrong with offering someone a ham sarnie.  However, if the only reason you are doing it is because you know that person has a religious prohibition on ham, then you're just acting like a dick, for its own sake.  

 

What's wrong with respecting people's right to religion (whether you share their faith or not)?

 

I suppose a lot of this depends on your upbringing.  My parents didn't raise cunts.

 

Nobody's disrespecting anyone's right to religion.

 

Similarly, nobody should disrespect a person's right to draw pictures of murderous 7th century child rapists.

[Jairzinho]

Out of interest, Stronts, would you speak to Muslims like that?

[Rico1304]

Out of interest, Stronts, would you speak to Muslims like that?

Do you call every Tory you meet a cunt?

 

When you call me a cunt for my political views it offends and inflames me. I DEMAND you stop and if you continue I'll chop your fucking head off.