Bernard Manning dead.

[Chris]

The ones who successfully brought a case against his behaviour when he hilariously ripped them to bits with racist jokes when they were waiting tables obviously did. Loved his mum though, that's the main thing.

 

Training was cancelled.

 

You down tomorrow Studious?

[Thants]

Stu Monty - the legend spreads... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svLyyzBC_qI

My link not enough Kopite? :whistle: (post 19)

But its aimed at Mr Manning rather than Stu. How anyone can say the bloke wasnt racist is beyond my comprehension.

 

For example (apologies for posting this)

 

From this blog

http://thecomedyschool.com/blog/2006_09_01_archive.html

 

Keith Palmer was the sole member of the African Caribbean community in the audience and within 10 minutes of the start of his act, he was brutally picked upon:

 

Bernard Manning: “I see we’ve got a black fella in tonight. Where are you from, son?”

Keith Palmer: “London.”

Bernard Manning: “Where are you from before that? I think he thinks he’s English.”

 

Then he went on to say:

“Just because a donkey’s born in a stable, it doesn’t make it a horse.”

 

Manning went on to suggest that he would pay for Keith to go to any country he might care to choose… The audience lapped it all up.

[Stu Monty]

You down tomorrow Studious?

 

Can't wait for it.

 

 

- Oh good, Hermes is here.

[The-Sir]

Any spare places in one of TLW teams tomorrow boys? I've got the day off work, which will probably be the only time I am free this year!

[Thants]

The last of a dying breed.Met him a couple of times very funny man.

 

Plenty to charity as well.Finished when like most people on here the P.C. PEOPLE STEPPED IN.

 

Legend

 

I just cant tell if he's serious anymore.

[Chris]

The last of a dying breed.Met him a couple of times very funny man.

 

Plenty to charity as well.Finished when like most people on here the P.C. PEOPLE STEPPED IN.

 

Legend

 

Oh marone, Monty take a breath.

[Stu Monty]

Oh marone, Monty take a breath.

 

I just typed out a response and then deleted it. It may have included the word 'sheets'.

[Hermes]

Darcus Howe, who is black and was a former Black Panther had no real problem with Manning.

 

Is he the one who changed his surname from Cole so that he could be PC?

[Strontium]

Keith Palmer was the sole member of the African Caribbean community in the audience and within 10 minutes of the start of his act, he was brutally picked upon:

 

Bernard Manning: “I see we’ve got a black fella in tonight. Where are you from, son?”

Keith Palmer: “London.”

Bernard Manning: “Where are you from before that? I think he thinks he’s English.”

 

Then he went on to say:

“Just because a donkey’s born in a stable, it doesn’t make it a horse.”

 

Manning went on to suggest that he would pay for Keith to go to any country he might care to choose… The audience lapped it all up.

 

Taken out of context, of course it seems racist. Maybe the guy really felt like he was being picked on (although he must have been from the Moon if he didn't know what to expect from a Bernard Manning act). But like I say, Manning ripped on everyone. It's a shame that people are so fucking sensitive these days.

 

I say Manning wasn't racist because racism excludes people. Manning's humour didn't exclude anyone - he took no prisoners. If I went to a stand-up and the comedian just told Jew jokes, I'd be pretty pissed off and would feel victimised. But if he also told jokes about blacks, Italians, the French, Indians, Pakistanis, Americans, Christians, Muslims, Scots, whites, Mancs, Scousers etc, then I wouldn't feel excluded.

 

I don't expect everyone to understand or agree with this, but this is the way I see it. And it's corroborated by the man's deeds offstage.

[Guest Jay W]

He was a comedian, enough said. In his era the pc brigade weren't out in full force and colour's like Nigger-Brown was a common describtion for clothes, wool for knitting, shows like Love Thy Neighbour were around which nowadays I think the broadcaster would be taken to the cleaners for airing and correct me if I'm wrong but there used to be a doll called a Golliwog which eventualy got binned because it was supposedly racist.

 

If he's a racist biggot then I'd hate to think what they thought of some shows and views which aired throughout his era.

[Stu Monty]

I was thinking I might go and find a unicorn tomorrow. Then I thought, "No, give yourself a challenge, find yourself a right-wing thinker who understands the concept of political correctness".

[Thants]

Taken out of context, of course it seems racist. Maybe the guy really felt like he was being picked on (although he must have been from the Moon if he didn't know what to expect from a Bernard Manning act). But like I say, Manning ripped on everyone. It's a shame that people are so fucking sensitive these days.

 

I say Manning wasn't racist because racism excludes people. Manning's humour didn't exclude anyone - he took no prisoners. If I went to a stand-up and the comedian just told Jew jokes, I'd be pretty pissed off and would feel victimised. But if he also told jokes about blacks, Italians, the French, Indians, Pakistanis, Americans, Christians, Muslims, Scots, whites, Mancs, Scousers etc, then I wouldn't feel excluded.

 

I don't expect everyone to understand or agree with this, but this is the way I see it. And it's corroborated by the man's deeds offstage.

 

Are you a fan of Jim Davidson?

[Paul]

Are you a fan of Jim Davidson?

 

Do you mean to suggest you're not?

 

"Nick, nick."

 

What's not piss yourself funny about that?

[Stu Monty]

Taken out of context, of course it seems racist. Maybe the guy really felt like he was being picked on (although he must have been from the Moon if he didn't know what to expect from a Bernard Manning act). But like I say, Manning ripped on everyone. It's a shame that people are so fucking sensitive these days.

 

I say Manning wasn't racist because racism excludes people. Manning's humour didn't exclude anyone - he took no prisoners. If I went to a stand-up and the comedian just told Jew jokes, I'd be pretty pissed off and would feel victimised. But if he also told jokes about blacks, Italians, the French, Indians, Pakistanis, Americans, Christians, Muslims, Scots, whites, Mancs, Scousers etc, then I wouldn't feel excluded.

 

I don't expect everyone to understand or agree with this, but this is the way I see it. And it's corroborated by the man's deeds offstage.

 

Would you like to put his above comments into context then SD, because I'm struggling to think of a context where "Fuck off back where you came Blackie, cos you're not English" would make sense.

[Paul]

Would you like to put his above comments into context then SD, because I'm struggling to think of a context where "Fuck off back where you came Blackie, cos you're not English" would make sense.

 

Stu, you're not going to use a racist term "satirically" to make a point in a minute, are you? Shit. Too late.

[Thants]

Do you mean to suggest you're not?

 

"Nick, nick."

 

What's not piss yourself funny about that?

 

Up the elephant and round the castle was his best work . .

[Stu Monty]

Stu, you're not going to use a racist term "satirically" to make a point in a minute, are you?

 

Would I?

 

At the moment, no. If I get notched up to thermonuclear then I can't say what might happen. I would predict that it will be avoided though.

[Cath]

Bernard Manning: “I see we’ve got a black fella in tonight. Where are you from, son?”

Keith Palmer: “London.”

Bernard Manning: “Where are you from before that? I think he thinks he’s English.”

 

Then he went on to say:

“Just because a donkey’s born in a stable, it doesn’t make it a horse.”

 

Manning went on to suggest that he would pay for Keith to go to any country he might care to choose… The audience lapped it all up.

That's the crux though isn't it? Don't blame the people who play to the market - educate the market.

[Stu Monty]

That's the crux though isn't it? Don't blame the people who play to the market - educate the market.

 

It's pretty fair to do both though, Cath.

[Strontium]

Are you a fan of Jim Davidson?

 

No, because I don't find him funny.

 

Would you like to put his above comments into context then SD, because I'm struggling to think of a context where "Fuck off back where you came Blackie, cos you're not English" would make sense.

I can't put the comments into context because I didn't see the whole act. I only have biased secondhand accounts to go on. What I am saying is that I very much doubt that Manning actually thought that black people should be sent "home". That line of thinking would see Manning himself returned to Eastern Europe, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Cath]

It's pretty fair to do both though, Cath.

 

True, but Manning was not responsible for society's racism issues, he was a product of them.

[Thants]

No, because I don't find him funny.

 

 

I can't put the comments into context because I didn't see the whole act. I only have biased secondhand accounts to go on. What I am saying is that I very much doubt that Manning actually thought that black people should be sent "home". That line of thinking would see Manning himself returned to Eastern Europe, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

On Manning’s mantelpiece at home is proudly displayed a bust of Enoch Powell. I think I know where his thoughts lie.

As the blog reads, Channel 4 filmed it last year to screen after his death. We'll see if its a 'biased secondhand account'.

[Stu Monty]

No, because I don't find him funny.

 

 

I can't put the comments into context because I didn't see the whole act. I only have biased secondhand accounts to go on. What I am saying is that I very much doubt that Manning actually thought that black people should be sent "home". That line of thinking would see Manning himself returned to Eastern Europe, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

Racists have a tendency not to be the brightest thinkers. There's millions of European descendents in this country who want to 'send them back' without thinking they are one of 'them'. Why does his stance have to make sense?

[Sut]

I thought he was already dead to be honest.

[Remmie]

I'm not touching this with an 80 foot clown pole!