Alternative 'rona thread

[TD_LFC]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

[Pureblood]

9 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

Hell the live polio vaccine (OPV?) used to give people polio in very very rare cases.

Genuinely rare breakthroughs Vs 200,000 cases per day.  

[Rico1304]

23 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Nice to see you surface from your fascination with the trans thread.  

That’s it? That’s the comeback?  

[Iceman]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

That’s it? That’s the comeback?  

When are you going to go for it? I think you'd make a fine Sheila. 

[TD_LFC]

6 minutes ago, Iceman said:

ToryOfTuebrook bottled it when challenged to look at the new definitions of vaccine and immunity given by the CDC. Covid vaccine would not pass the vaccine definition given to the polio vaccine, and neither would it adhere to the definitions required for immunity. Tory ran away from the thread when asked to research this for himself and to answer the question as to why the new definitions were given. Perhaps you will have more balls and tell us why you think they changed these definitions specifically for the Covid vaccines. Go on, give it the college try. 

Oh you changed your mind.

 

Didn't the dictionary definition also change?

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

When are you going to go for it? I think you'd make a fine Sheila. 

I remember when I was in school.  It might get better when you leave. 

[Iceman]

Just now, TD_LFC said:

Oh you changed your mind.

 

Didn't the dictionary definition also change?

I'll wait for your answer just like ToryOfTuebrook's. 

[SasaS]

6 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Robert Malone isn't an island.  He has a group of 16,000 scientists backing him.

 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/humanitys-whistleblower-dr-robert-malone-sounds-the-alarm/article_e9c05e86-6ccf-11ec-9417-bbc21429de9c.html

 

The Chief Architect of mRNA platform technology is blowing the whistle on the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. And if he is correct, we are all in grave danger – and 16,000 of his fellow scientists agree with him.

 

https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/

That petition is really not addressing any of the claims and counter claims in the video.

[Iceman]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I remember when I was in school.  It might get better when you leave. 

Let me guess, you were a prefect who liked to try and get people in trouble. cough cough Boss. 

#supergrass

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

7 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Robert Malone isn't an island.  He has a group of 16,000 scientists backing him.

 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/humanitys-whistleblower-dr-robert-malone-sounds-the-alarm/article_e9c05e86-6ccf-11ec-9417-bbc21429de9c.html

 

The Chief Architect of mRNA platform technology is blowing the whistle on the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. And if he is correct, we are all in grave danger – and 16,000 of his fellow scientists agree with him.

 

https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/

16,000 scientists backing him. 

 

Or:

 

A relatively small number of named individuals "And thousands more physicians, medical scientists and researchers from around the globe." (https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/) 

 

As always, the devil is in the detail. Or, in this case, the noticeable lack of it. 

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Let me guess, you were a prefect who liked to try and get people in trouble. cough cough Boss. 

#supergrass

Nah? Wasn’t holy enough to be a prefect.  Did teach me to call out stuff when I see it though.  Remember when Piston posted all the gypsy stuff?  I called that out too.  Whatever happened to him?  

[SasaS]

6 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

16,000 scientists backing him. 

 

Or:

 

A relatively small number of named individuals "And thousands more physicians, medical scientists and researchers from around the globe." (https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/) 

 

As always, the devil is in the detail. Or, in this case, the noticeable lack of it. 

There may be well be thousands more of them, there must be about a million medical doctors and various scientists in US and Europe alone.

[Rico1304]

12 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

16,000 scientists backing him. 

 

Or:

 

A relatively small number of named individuals "And thousands more physicians, medical scientists and researchers from around the globe." (https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/) 

 

As always, the devil is in the detail. Or, in this case, the noticeable lack of it. 

Who may also have a book to sell on ivermectin? It’s like it’s a…grift. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

There may be well be thousands more of them, there must be about a million medical doctors and various scientists in US and Europe alone.

Possibly. Or it could be like the Great Barrington Declaration, where anybody could sign it without having to prove their medical/scientific credentials. I wonder if Harold Shipman got round to signing this one too, like he did the GBD? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

37 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Ask ToryOfTuebrook about it. 

 

Oh yeah that's right, he shat himself and ran away when challenged to find out why. 

I'm still waiting for you to provide the evidence I asked for about your... something something definitions something.

 

In your own time, like...

[Red Phoenix]

31 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

 

Quote

The Atlantic’s COVID-19 coverage is supported by grants from the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

 

Robert Wood Johnson II was a son of one of the founders of Johnson & Johnson, he left the foundation 10 million shares of the pharma corp after he died.

[SasaS]

1 minute ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Possibly. Or it could be like the Great Barrington Declaration, where anybody could sign it without having to prove their medical/scientific credentials. I wonder if Harold Shipman got round to signing this one too, like he did the GBD? 

There was that news item some time ago about Austrian doctors rebellion against the vaccine mandate or something, hundreds of them and then someone pointed out that was like less than one percent of all the active MDs in the country or something like that.

[Pureblood]

23 minutes ago, SasaS said:

That petition is really not addressing any of the claims and counter claims in the video.

I doubt it's supposed to. 

[Pureblood]

22 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

16,000 scientists backing him. 

 

Or:

 

A relatively small number of named individuals "And thousands more physicians, medical scientists and researchers from around the globe." (https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/) 

 

As always, the devil is in the detail. Or, in this case, the noticeable lack of it. 

16,000 gwifters!

[Pureblood]

9 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Who may also have a book to sell on ivermectin? It’s like it’s a…grift. 

Gwift!

[SasaS]

4 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

I doubt it's supposed to. 

Well, I don't know what it was supposed to do or not to do, but you posted the links in response to it, hence my comment. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

35 minutes ago, Iceman said:

ToryOfTuebrook bottled it when challenged to look at the new definitions of vaccine and immunity given by the CDC. 

If anyone is interested in what actually happened 

1. What the fuck is wrong with you?

2.  The real exchange between me and Ickeman - in all its tedious mediocrity - is a few pages up.

 

 

[TD_LFC]

Just now, Iceman said:

I'll wait for your answer just like ToryOfTuebrook's. 

Not sure what answer you want.

 

The charge was levelled by an anti-vax reporters and a senators, who, unsurprisingly, likes comparing covid restrictions to the holocaust, that there was some nefarious reason for the change, yet the CDC definition has changed three times in the last 6 years from 

 

Up to 2015 -  Injection of a killed or weakened infections organism in order to prevent the disease 

 

2015 - 2021 - The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

 

Most recent change - The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.

 

Seemingly the change was brought about because as no vaccine is 100% successful and as people mis-interpret immunity as 100% protection it was no longer an adequate description, especially as immunity means different things in different contexts.

 

This, for example describes immunity as protection from disease

https://www.tabers.com/tabersonline/view/Tabers-Dictionary/768075/all/immunity

 

This describes it as a condition of being able to resist a particular disease especially through preventing development of a pathogenic microorganism or by counteracting the effects of its products

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immunity#medicalDictionary

 

This describes it as the body’s ability to resist infection, afforded by the presence of circulating antibodies and white blood cells. Healthy individuals ...

https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199557141.001.0001/acref-9780199557141-e-4908

 

This describes it as The body’s ability to resist infection and disease.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/d-through-i#I-terms

 

The legal meaning of immunity means something else, and so on.

 

Despite this the CDC appear to interchange protection and immunity so they aren't hiding the change, "COVID-19 vaccines teach our immune systems how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19. It typically takes 2 weeks after vaccination for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19.". which can be found

 

Here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html

Here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

And Here:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

 

for example.

 

Perhaps if you could narrow down your complaint I'd be able to look at it a bit more thoroughly as I have no doubt that this answer isn't satisfactory for you. 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

32 minutes ago, Iceman said:

I'll wait for your answer just like ToryOfTuebrook's. 

Literally the opposite of what is happening.

 

I'm doing my own research.  I've asked a supposed expert in the field to provide some information to start with and so far the useless shit hasn't come through.

(I can't say I'm surprised; I suspected he was an unreliable dickhead.)

[TD_LFC]

18 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

Robert Wood Johnson II was a son of one of the founders of Johnson & Johnson, he left the foundation 10 million shares of the pharma corp after he died.

Posted as it parallels a lot of what is said in the you tube video posted further up.

 

Either they're all in cahoots or they've managed to independently come to the same conclusion.