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Good study on the high efficacy of ivermectin here.

 

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

 

Conclusions: 

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

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24 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Here we can discuss anything related to 'rona without upsetting the beta soy boys. 

A thread for people who use phrases like "beta soy boys".

 

This is what the world has been crying out for.

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Human psychology is a fascinating thing. Pretty much all the neuro-related facets of medicine are a million times more complex than, say, disease or orthopaedic medicine and thus we are way behind at understanding the brain, but what is clear is that most people are susceptible, to a greater or lesser degree, to conspiracy theories.

 

And with 8 billion people on the planet, you can ALWAYS find at least a few million who will agree with anything, no matter how outlandish, including a few experts on the subject matter. We're just that diverse a species.

 

So the whole "I'm just asking questions" approach that seems so reasonable on its face is really just a way of rejecting the common narrative that everyone else accepts. In essence, it is "I'm a special person" thinking writ large, a way of feeling "in" with those privileged few who have access to your enlightened state.

 

Because the alternative is that life is rather boring and you're not a special snowflake who 'figured it all out.' So if 10,000 experts all think one thing and 4 of them think the opposite, you're going to listen to the 4 and totally ignore the rest of them.

 

You see it over and over and over again, and it's really only your previous biases that determine which of the conspiracy theories you believe in. If you're a liberal, it might be "George W did 9/11." If you're thick, it's "the world is flat." If you're anti-government, it's "coronavirus is a myth, or cured by horse tranquilisers, or the vaccine gives you deadly side effects which are much more dangerous than the disease itself." And while most of them are absolute garbage from start to finish, every once in a blue moon, one of the conspiracy theories turns out to have some element of truth in it, which gives all the others something to point to and say "see!"

So sure, Pure. You take your Ivermectin and your hydroxychloroquine and cry about the sheeple who oppose you. It's the way you were wired from the day you were born. And who knows? There's probably a 1,000,000 to 1 chance you're right, that 99.9% of all the medical experts in the world are in on it and Bill Gates is secretly reducing the world population through an experimental vaccine or whatever it is you believe is happening here.

 

But the rest of us are going to play the odds that you're wrong. Sue us.

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I'm not crying about anything.  I was told to take my shit elsewhere, so I did. 

 

Anyway, decent post.  Started well, sagged in the middle and had a worse ending than Exorcist 3. 

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7 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

I'm not crying about anything.  I was told to take my shit elsewhere, so I did.

 

Nice one for making the thread, I thought some of this was a good read too :

 

 

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44 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

A thread for people who use phrases like "beta soy boys".

 

This is what the world has been crying out for.

Just wanted to get a Greek letter in there early. 

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39 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

Human psychology is a fascinating thing. Pretty much all the neuro-related facets of medicine are a million times more complex than, say, disease or orthopaedic medicine and thus we are way behind at understanding the brain, but what is clear is that most people are susceptible, to a greater or lesser degree, to conspiracy theories.

 

And with 8 billion people on the planet, you can ALWAYS find at least a few million who will agree with anything, no matter how outlandish, including a few experts on the subject matter. We're just that diverse a species.

 

So the whole "I'm just asking questions" approach that seems so reasonable on its face is really just a way of rejecting the common narrative that everyone else accepts. In essence, it is "I'm a special person" thinking writ large, a way of feeling "in" with those privileged few who have access to your enlightened state.

 

Because the alternative is that life is rather boring and you're not a special snowflake who 'figured it all out.' So if 10,000 experts all think one thing and 4 of them think the opposite, you're going to listen to the 4 and totally ignore the rest of them.

 

You see it over and over and over again, and it's really only your previous biases that determine which of the conspiracy theories you believe in. If you're a liberal, it might be "George W did 9/11." If you're thick, it's "the world is flat." If you're anti-government, it's "coronavirus is a myth, or cured by horse tranquilisers, or the vaccine gives you deadly side effects which are much more dangerous than the disease itself." And while most of them are absolute garbage from start to finish, every once in a blue moon, one of the conspiracy theories turns out to have some element of truth in it, which gives all the others something to point to and say "see!"

So sure, Pure. You take your Ivermectin and your hydroxychloroquine and cry about the sheeple who oppose you. It's the way you were wired from the day you were born. And who knows? There's probably a 1,000,000 to 1 chance you're right, that 99.9% of all the medical experts in the world are in on it and Bill Gates is secretly reducing the world population through an experimental vaccine or whatever it is you believe is happening here.

 

But the rest of us are going to play the odds that you're wrong. Sue us.

If this was followed to the letter, science would not exist. Asking questions is the basis for all scientific discovery. Also pulling probability figures out of your ass tends to leave you with shit on your fingers. 

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30 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Nice one for making the thread, I thought some of this was a good read too :

 

 

This is tremendous, because it's from 2018 predating the pandemic.  100% quack/grifter/conspiracy loon proof!

 

I've read about half of it, and will read the rest tomorrow. 

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Mandatory jab puts Aussie footballer into hospital and out of sporting action for at least three months.  Hey, I wonder if he took the jab?  Duh?  Maybe Trevor Sinclair will be allowed to ask that question on this version of the thread?

 

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/footballer-stuck-down-with-myocarditis-following-vaccine_53WV2ghYUfug4ze.html

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4 hours ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

Human psychology is a fascinating thing. Pretty much all the neuro-related facets of medicine are a million times more complex than, say, disease or orthopaedic medicine and thus we are way behind at understanding the brain, but what is clear is that most people are susceptible, to a greater or lesser degree, to conspiracy theories.

 

And with 8 billion people on the planet, you can ALWAYS find at least a few million who will agree with anything, no matter how outlandish, including a few experts on the subject matter. We're just that diverse a species.

 

So the whole "I'm just asking questions" approach that seems so reasonable on its face is really just a way of rejecting the common narrative that everyone else accepts. In essence, it is "I'm a special person" thinking writ large, a way of feeling "in" with those privileged few who have access to your enlightened state.

 

Because the alternative is that life is rather boring and you're not a special snowflake who 'figured it all out.' So if 10,000 experts all think one thing and 4 of them think the opposite, you're going to listen to the 4 and totally ignore the rest of them.

 

You see it over and over and over again, and it's really only your previous biases that determine which of the conspiracy theories you believe in. If you're a liberal, it might be "George W did 9/11." If you're thick, it's "the world is flat." If you're anti-government, it's "coronavirus is a myth, or cured by horse tranquilisers, or the vaccine gives you deadly side effects which are much more dangerous than the disease itself." And while most of them are absolute garbage from start to finish, every once in a blue moon, one of the conspiracy theories turns out to have some element of truth in it, which gives all the others something to point to and say "see!"

So sure, Pure. You take your Ivermectin and your hydroxychloroquine and cry about the sheeple who oppose you. It's the way you were wired from the day you were born. And who knows? There's probably a 1,000,000 to 1 chance you're right, that 99.9% of all the medical experts in the world are in on it and Bill Gates is secretly reducing the world population through an experimental vaccine or whatever it is you believe is happening here.

 

But the rest of us are going to play the odds that you're wrong. Sue us.

 

It's a bit rich mocking people for giving credibility to conspiracy theories when we've had many proven true during this pandemic.

 

1. The American / British government urged people not to wear masks at the beginning of the pandemic. This was deliberately false information at the time. They knew it was a respiratory virus, and transmission could be abated with proper mask-wearing protocols. Yet, they purposely misled people by telling them not to wear a mask, so they could scramble to get caregivers adequate PPE.

 

2. The origin of the virus proved the lab leak conspiracy theory to be true. WHO's fact-finding mission officially concluded that the virus came from the wet market claiming "there is zero evidence to support the theories that the virus was created in a lab". Some of the people sent to investigate by the WHO deliberately misled other investigators to steer clear of the Wuhan lab because they were being paid by the lab in question or were working with the Chinese state as part of the cover-up.

 

3. The conspiracy theory that the Chinese were murdering their own people to cover up the origins of the virus was also proven true, as prominent Chinese medical voices at the start of the pandemic disappeared without a trace for questioning the official narrative.

 

4. The conspiracy theory that the Chinese government were fabricating their death statistics and the number of COVID cases was also proven true. They were deliberately under-estimating them and claimed it was completely eradicated from Wuhan at one stage. A vlogger on the ground showed video footage of eight dead COVID victims in a minibus, proving these claims false. The vlogger in question got a visit from the CCP and was never seen again.

 

5. The conspiracy theory that Boris Johnson was happy to let old people die to avoid another lockdown was also proven true. Cummings confirmed that Boris said "I'd rather see the bodies piled high than go into another lockdown."

 

6. Whether Ivermectin works to reduce the virus or not will be proven in the fullness of time. Randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trials show it reduces mortality from COVID. However, the misinformation campaign carried out by the world press mocking the likes of Joe Rogan and painting Ivermectin purely as a veterinary drug (used for deworming animals) was clearly a lie. Ivermectin has been used in human beings for nearly 40 years.

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26 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

It's a bit rich mocking people for giving credibility to conspiracy theories when we've had many proven true during this pandemic.

 

1. The American / British government urged people not to wear masks at the beginning of the pandemic. This was deliberately false information at the time. They knew it was a respiratory virus, and transmission could be abated with proper mask-wearing protocols. Yet, they purposely misled people by telling them not to wear a mask, so they could scramble to get caregivers adequate PPE.

 

2. The origin of the virus proved the lab leak conspiracy theory to be true. WHO's fact-finding mission officially concluded that the virus came from the wet market claiming "there is zero evidence to support the theories that the virus was created in a lab". Some of the people sent to investigate by the WHO deliberately misled other investigators to steer clear of the Wuhan lab because they were being paid by the lab in question or were working with the Chinese state as part of the cover-up.

 

3. The conspiracy theory that the Chinese were murdering their own people to cover up the origins of the virus was also proven true, as prominent Chinese medical voices at the start of the pandemic disappeared without a trace for questioning the official narrative.

 

4. The conspiracy theory that the Chinese government were fabricating their death statistics and the number of COVID cases was also proven true. They were deliberately under-estimating them and claimed it was completely eradicated from Wuhan at one stage. A vlogger on the ground showed video footage of eight dead COVID victims in a minibus, proving these claims false. The vlogger in question got a visit from the CCP and was never seen again.

 

5. The conspiracy theory that Boris Johnson was happy to let old people die to avoid another lockdown was also proven true. Cummings confirmed that Boris said "I'd rather see the bodies piled high than go into another lockdown."

 

6. Whether Ivermectin works to reduce the virus or not will be proven in the fullness of time. Randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trials show it reduces mortality from COVID. However, the misinformation campaign carried out by the world press mocking the likes of Joe Rogan and painting Ivermectin purely as a veterinary drug (used for deworming animals) was clearly a lie. Ivermectin has been used in human beings for nearly 40 years.

I think you are stretching the "proven true" thing a bit here.

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Yeah can we have a list of alternative or preventative treatments as a go to

I’ll start, add to the list as need be:

Horse paste

Vitamins/war room defence pack

Scented candles

Kakadu plums

Domestos Injection, original not citrus

 

 

 

 

 

 

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(Use this thread in the future to remind yourself who all the nutters are.  If ever you need to sell a bridge, start with these guys)

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