Venezuela

[Jairzinho]

7 minutes ago, moof said:

I think that’s highly, highly debatable. To say the very least 

 

Not really. The US political spectrum goes from right wing to far right.

[SasaS]

Was just about to say that left of the US political spectrum would be liberal center or moderate center right and center left, so the media he listed all lean there.

[TheHowieLama]

18 minutes ago, moof said:

I think that’s highly, highly debatable. To say the very least 

How long have you been reading/watching these US based outlets in question?

[Jairzinho]

And also where something/someone is on the political spectrum can be defined, broadly, in terms of social policies and economic policies. So, CNN can be appalled by some of Trumps social policies. In this regard they're centre left ish. However, economically, they're clearly right wing.

 

Same goes for the BBC. Same goes for a lot of the Guardian's output. The Independent. Etc, etc. Recycle your quinoa packaging, try not to be racist, but please leave the economic system exactly as it is.

[TheHowieLama]

Well, any (read all) of the outlets I pointed out are certainly near the top of the capitalist food chain. Not sure I would define that as right wing - but they do exist to make a profit.

[SasaS]

15 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

And also where something/someone is on the political spectrum can be defined, broadly, in terms of social policies and economic policies. So, CNN can be appalled by some of Trumps social policies. In this regard they're centre left ish. However, economically, they're clearly right wing.

 

Same goes for the BBC. Same goes for a lot of the Guardian's output. The Independent. Etc, etc. Recycle your quinoa packaging, try not to be racist, but please leave the economic system exactly as it is.

This would make pretty much everybody right wing.

 

[Jairzinho]

43 minutes ago, SasaS said:

This would make pretty much everybody right wing.

 

Not the general public, no. Pretty much all of the media, yes.

[TheHowieLama]

Crafty

 

ENTEBBE, Uganda—The government of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro is selling off his country’s gold reserves. Some of it has passed through a secretive operation in East Africa, a gambit that evades U.S. sanctions.

On two early-March flights, at least 7.4 tons of gold with a market value over $300 million moved from Venezuela to a refinery in Uganda, say officials in Venezuela and Uganda, a foreign diplomat and Venezuelan opposition lawmakers, who have concluded Mr. Maduro’s government exported the ingots.

The gold arrived on a Russian charter jetliner in two shipments at the international airport in Entebbe, says Ugandan national-police spokesman Fred Enanga. The accompanying paperwork identified the ingots, some with stamped labels partially scratched off, as Venezuelan central-bank property, says a senior Ugandan police officer who saw the bars and documents. Flight records show the trips originated in Caracas, Venezuela.

The shipments expose one link in a global underground economy many suspect is helping Mr. Maduro cling to power by bypassing the U.S.-dominated international finance system.

 

Cunty

 

The political party of Juan Guaido — Voluntad Popular (Popular Will) — was never all that popular to begin with. The sixth largest political party in Venezuela, Popular Will is heavily financed by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). Now, a recently exposed embezzlement scandal in Colombia risks to further alienate the party from the Venezuelan people.

What was supposed to be Guaido’s watershed moment has instead turned out to be a public-relations failure far worse than his quickly quelled attempted military coup, which MintPress News reported caused even the New York Times to describe Guaido as “deflated.”

What happened in Colombia appears to be so damning that not only is the Colombian intelligence service leaking documents exposing wrongdoing by Popular Will representatives appointed by Guaido, but the Organization of American States (OAS) — which is typically just as pro-opposition as the Colombian government — has called for an investigation.

 

 

There may be a chance neither of these fellas gives a shit about their country.

 

 

 

[SasaS]

I think the general quality of his opposition is Maduro's best chance of staying in power.

[Jose Jones]

6 hours ago, SasaS said:

I think the general quality of his opposition is Maduro's best chance of staying in power.

It's totally classic behaviour of populist or authoritarian regimes, or just plain political shysters really, to create the spectre of external forces, or paint opponents as in league with the enemy, in order to remain in power.  Be that communists, socialists, capitalist pigs, muslims, foreigners, etc.  

The US has been a favourite "big bad" of many a regime around the world, obviously.  You'd have to think that Guaido is so shit, so lacking in popular support, so obviously linked to the US, that it's almost as if he only makes sense as a political plant of the Maduro regime.  If it wasn't for the rush of the US and it's western allies to try and back him in, that is.  

 

[TheHowieLama]

Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro has urged women to have six children "for the good of the country".

Appearing at a televised event promoting a national women's healthcare plan, Mr Maduro instructed women to "give birth, give birth".

The country is facing an economic crisis which has resulted in severe food and medicine shortages.

Between 2013 and 2018, 13% of Venezuelan children were malnourished, says UN children's agency Unicef.

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

On 07/05/2019 at 16:48, TheHowieLama said:

Not sure any outlet would be liberal enough for Chomsky mate.

 

There is no question that the long established media - outlets like the New York Times, Washington Post, any of the three networks in the US, and the Turner stations (CNN) lean to the left of the US political spectrum.

 

If they leant to the left they'd not propagandise about Sanders as much as they do. I'd class them as fraud left, and even though I risk tiring this quote from Jonathan Cook out I think it applies well to what so many of these outlets do. You could replace The Guardian here with "the group" and include every outlet you mentioned :

 

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The Guardian, like other mainstream media, is heavily invested – both financially and ideologically – in supporting the current global order. It was once able to exclude and now, in the internet age, must vilify those elements of the left whose ideas risk questioning a system of corporate power and control of which the Guardian is a key institution.

The paper’s role, like that of its rightwing cousins, is to limit the imaginative horizons of readers. While there is just enough leftwing debate to make readers believe their paper is pluralistic, the kind of radical perspectives needed to question the very foundations on which the system of Western dominance rests is either unavailable or is ridiculed.

 

 

https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/28/the-dangerous-cult-of-the-guardian/

 

It's not to say that you're never going to find a proper left wing view in these outlets. Some great people do write for them at times, but they're nowhere near the majority and they never get the headlines like so much of the other shit does.

[TheHowieLama]

Two Venezuelan nationals are the nation’s first confirmed cases of coronavirus, Venezuela’s Vice President Delcy Rodriguez announced on state-run VTV Friday.

The confirmed cases are a 41-year-old woman who traveled to the United States, Italy and Spain, Rodriguez said. The second case is a 52-year-old man who traveled to Spain, she said.

Both are in quarantine. 

Rodriguez said the Venezuelan government is ordering all passengers who traveled on Iberia flight 6673 on March 5 and 8 to go into “immediate obligatory quarantine.”

 

[SasaS]

Saudi-Russian oil price war and the overall demand collapse does not bode well for Venezuela.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Trump is to designate Venezuela as a sponsor of state terrorism (no laughing at the back, there) and to press for Maduro to be charged due to his alleged involvement in drug trafficking. 

[SasaS]

Good to see they are keeping a cool head and have their priorities straight at this moment of time.

[Lee909]

Another coup incoming in Peru

 

Daughter of former murdering psychopath Alberto Fujimori is non too happy to have lost the election to leftists and refusing to concede as Peru is the battleground against communism.

 

CIA handlers at the ready

 

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

9 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Another coup incoming in Peru

 

Daughter of former murdering psychopath Alberto Fujimori is non too happy to have lost the election to leftists and refusing to concede as Peru is the battleground against communism.

 

CIA handlers at the ready

 

 

The run-up to the vote was marked by scaremongering electronic billboards in Lima, warning Peru could wind up like Cuba or Venezuela, and a partisan media heavily favouring Fujimori, as it had done in previous elections, forcing the resignation of journalists from at least one television channel.

 

On Thursday night, pro-Fujimori protesters surrounded the home of the head of the electoral board, and others called for military intervention, prompting an official response from the armed forces that it would respect the election results.

 

Fujimori, who looks likely to fail in her third election runoff by the slimmest of margins, could lose more than the presidency as prosecutors said on Thursday that she had breached bail conditions by contacting witnesses and could return to jail. She has already spent more than a year in pretrial detention accused of receiving more than $17m in illegal campaign funds and heading a criminal organisation. She could face a 30-year jail term if convicted of the allegations which she denies, calling them politically motivated.

[Chairman Meow]

12 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Another coup incoming in Peru

 

Daughter of former murdering psychopath Alberto Fujimori is non too happy to have lost the election to leftists and refusing to concede as Peru is the battleground against communism.

 

CIA handlers at the ready

 

 

There is an expanded version of that as well

 

[Red Phoenix]

President Guaido is still trying.

 

 

 

[Anubis]

The US Military are eyeing Venezuela…

 

 

[DalyanPete]

6 minutes ago, Anubis said:

The US Military are eyeing Venezuela…

 

 

Never, they wouldn't consider such a thing.

[No2]

What have Venezuela done to be grouped in with Russia and Myanmar and excluded from being invited to the Queens funeral? There are much bigger deposts invited or at least ambassadors of those nations.

[Jairzinho]

3 hours ago, No2 said:

What have Venezuela done to be grouped in with Russia and Myanmar and excluded from being invited to the Queens funeral? There are much bigger deposts invited or at least ambassadors of those nations.

Yes, but they're goodies.

[Strontium]

Isn't it related to the EU sanctions against Venezuela?