Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, mattyq said:

Starmer gets my vote

He's on top of his brief, professional and a decent person

He'd wipe the floor with Johnson in a debate

He was decent on Marr today. But I'm not really sure I know he views on anything other than brexit! 

[sir roger]

I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

[Moo]

6 hours ago, mattyq said:

Starmer gets my vote

He's on top of his brief, professional and a decent person

He'd wipe the floor with Johnson in a debate

I'm not sure about Starmer wiping the floor with anyone.  He's obviously been a brilliant arguer in his previous profession but politics is very different.  I think he comes across as hesitant and stammers a bit too much in the HoC, maybe he just needs more practice, get out and about bit the next GE campaign to get a bit more experience maybe. 

The knobhead right wing press would probably re-name him "Keir Stammer" and then tell it's readers that we can't possibly have a "ponderous PM". 

[Denny Crane]

Most of those who were on the verge of voting for Johnsons deal were leaving Labour for various reasons, age etc. 

 

Of the six Labour MPs who rebelled and voted with the government on Saturday, only one, Caroline Flint, is standing again in the next general election. 

 

 

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

12 hours ago, sir roger said:

I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

I reckon it's mostly an act. Bet he's totally different away from the cameras. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 hours ago, sir roger said:

I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

 

7 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

I reckon it's mostly an act. Bet he's totally different away from the cameras. 

I think there are two different things going on. There's the "loveable eccentric" shtick he's been practising for years, which is the essence of his brand; then there's also the genuine ineptitude that comes across when he tries to answer questions in a serious manner.

[Captain Turdseye]

I mentioned the other week that Clive Lewis would be my first choice if he was on the ballot too, but would he really have a chance at becoming PM?

 

We've got our hustings on Wednesday to decide who we’re going to put forward to lose against Hancock. The latest story about dear old Matt is that he was recently mocking a student who was on work experience in his office because his family had never been skiing. 

[Dr Nowt]

28 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

I think there are two different things going on. There's the "loveable eccentric" shtick he's been practising for years, which is the essence of his brand; then there's also the genuine ineptitude that comes across when he tries to answer questions in a serious manner.

This is exactly it. He’s not a serious politician in the way he wasn’t a serious journalist, student, husband, father, etc.

 

He just isn’t a person of any substance at all, above a flowery vocabulary and a classical education.

 

It speaks ill enough of the entire country we’ve ended up with this fucking charlatan heading up this process. It should with any justice (but obviously won’t) bury the Tories as a party.

[Jairzinho]

10 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

I mentioned the other week that Clive Lewis would be my first choice if he was on the ballot too, but would he really have a chance at becoming PM?

 

Ex TA, mixed race, pro-remain, socialist. I think he ticks a lot of boxes. No idea what he'd be like in the spotlight. But every single time the right wing press attacked him he would be armed with "Have you ever served your country?" 

[Numero Veinticinco]

He’d make those bitches get on their knees! 

[Barrington Womble]

13 hours ago, sir roger said:

I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

Do you not think Corbyn comes across bumbling? Not in a daft twat Johnson way, but a doddery old man way? The amount of times he just loses his thread when speaking in the commons is really bad. I know behaviour there is bad at times, but part of the job is not to be distracted and he nearly always is. 

[Scooby Dudek]

Where the rules changed at conference in relation ease of getting on to a leadership ballot ?

I don't remember reading anything about, so would imagine not.

[aRdja]

My preference to replace Corbyn if he steps down would be:

1. John McDonnell

2. Clive Lewis

3. Emily Thornberry

[Dr Nowt]

The reaction to McDonnell would on a par with if not worse than the one to Corbyn. His baggage and judgement of what to say and when is not what will be required after Corbyn if the game is anything but playing to the base.

 

Lessons about performance need to be absorbed somewhere along with recognising the clear agenda of the forces amassed against Corbyn. It happens, of course if happens, it’s been as hateful as it is disgraceful, but it’s being given a fair few open goals and McDonnell won’t improve that. 

[skend04]

12 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

My preference to replace Corbyn if he steps down would be:

1. John McDonnell

2. Clive Lewis

3. Emily Thornberry

It's quite fortunate then that you've left for new horizons.

[aRdja]

25 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

The reaction to McDonnell would on a par with if not worse than the one to Corbyn. His baggage and judgement of what to say and when is not what will be required after Corbyn if the game is anything but playing to the base.

 

Lessons about performance need to be absorbed somewhere along with recognising the clear agenda of the forces amassed against Corbyn. It happens, of course if happens, it’s been as hateful as it is disgraceful, but it’s being given a fair few open goals and McDonnell won’t improve that. 

I genuinely believe that (what Corbyn getting wrong IMO) in the current political environment the only way to get to no 10, is not through “kinder, gentler politics”, but through (left-wing) populism led by a strong demagogue. Turn the working class against ‘elite’. Get personal. Tell the people that the tories are would happily send you to the slaughterhouse for a pack of crisps. Keep repeating the Thatcher assassination joke. Boris Johnson being a popular PM is evidence of that IMO. 

[Anubis]

11 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I genuinely believe that (what Corbyn getting wrong IMO) in the current political environment the only way to get to no 10, is not through “kinder, gentler politics”, but through (left-wing) populism led by a strong demagogue. Turn the working class against ‘elite’. Get personal. Tell the people that the tories are would happily send you to the slaughterhouse for a pack of crisps. Keep repeating the Thatcher assassination joke. Boris Johnson being a popular PM is evidence of that IMO. 

Isn’t that what the Socialist Workers Party have been trying since forever?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Before we start talking about new leaders, I'm waiting to see how accurate these predictions of a collapse in the tory vote if we haven't Brexited by 31st October are. 

 

On the subject though, she's not my personal choice, but Angela Rayner seems to be getting thrust into the spotlight quite a lot recently. I wouldn't be surprised if she's being groomed (for want of a better word) for a leadership role. 

[Stickman]

I guess left wing socialist Jews are not the right kind of Jew

 

 

[aRdja]

Just now, Stickman said:

I guess left wing socialist Jews are not the right kind of Jew

 

 

Massive own goal there. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

19 minutes ago, Stickman said:

I guess left wing socialist Jews are not the right kind of Jew

 

 

So dishonest too. She wasn't suspended "for antisemitism."

 

She was suspended while an allegation of antisemitism was investigated and she was subsequently cleared of any wrongdoing.

 

Her "Jew process" shout was just a really clumsy and unfunny attempt at a pun. 

 

Like this was. 

 

https://www.thejc.com/culture/film/jew-know-why-we-love-annie-hall-1.59960

[ZonkoVille77]

 

[Sugar Ape]

The following four Labour MPs abstained on the Letwin amendment on Saturday.

 

And now I’m in bed sick as a dog and haven’t been able to sleep, finally drop off and get woken up almost straight away by this text from Rosie Cooper. Yeah, that’s going to be a massive fucking NO from me.

 

 

[Jairzinho]

What happens if you text the word "CUNT"?

[Dougie Do'ins]

The Tories have been in power since May 2010. They've had three leaders, two of them unelected and have dragged the nation though a mountain austerity shit.

 

You'd think any decent opposition would walk the next GE.