Rise of the far right in Europe.

[PestiRed]

It's a bit off topic, but since the issue of racism against white people already seeped in... I don't understand the application of white privilege theory (along with most of what is being discusses within whiteness studies) outside of the US or colonialism, I guess it would be post-colonial theory. What use is the white privilege theory in countries where the oppressors and the oppressed are all white, or all are non-white, or in class struggle in racially mixed societies?

For example, there was an article (Salon, Slate, HP something like that  don't remember anymore) in which a black activist was critical of complacency / smugness among the white LBGT who are mostly proud of not being racist, but are not "addressing  their white privilege" properly, by not working to promote minorities to positions of upper management. I find this confusing, so, if you are a black man working for a minimum wage in a Pizza Hut, this is white privilege, but if you boss is Herman Cain, then it's OK?

The line about the most violent etc... where does it fit in situations where no whiteness was present, or is it seen as some symbolic whiteness ?

Regarding predominantly white societies, I'm not sure that there are many, if any, countries that would be exclusively white. And there's always some group of people that are racially oppressed, be they Jewish or Roma or Cossack etc.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Power is violent, it's a human trait not a racial one. Before white northern Europeans being violent and oppressive there's countless points in history of all races being utter cunts to those they can. Those with the capability will stomp on those they can generally speaking, you could argue this is the most enlightened and least violent time in human history.

[SasaS]

Regarding predominantly white societies, I'm not sure that there are many, if any, countries that would be exclusively white. And there's always some group of people that are racially oppressed, be they Jewish or Roma or Cossack etc.

 

I didn't count them, but there are probably many, either white or non-white. What I don't understand is are they really using a racial theory to explain oppression in socio-economic terms, what about China, Japan, post-colonial India etc. Who is white in current conflict in Burma which is today in the news?  What about sub-Saharan Africa or Americas before the contact with western civilizations? No oppression and mass murders, just peace love and harmony?

[skend04]

I didn't count them, but there are probably many, either white or non-white. What I don't understand is are they really using a racial theory to explain oppression in socio-economic terms, what about China, Japan, post-colonial India etc. Who is white in current conflict in Burma which is today in the news? What about sub-Saharan Africa or Americas before the contact with western civilizations? No oppression and mass murders, just peace love and harmony?

White Privilege is the societal privilege benefiting white people in the western world*

 

*Wikipedia is my friend.

[SasaS]

What would be its counterpart in the Eastern World?

[skend04]

What would be its counterpart in the Eastern World?

Can't tell you all of the East's issues but India the closest thing to white privilege is casteism. What should be the norm for everyone is denied to certain sections of society just because they are a lower caste.

[Jockey]

I think 'white privilege' is an obvious and fair criticism of the West - we've oppressed and instigated prejudice in order to benefit economically, reduced ethnic groups to subhuman, even below in order to develop a system that benefits white people solely e.g. slavery and the mass murder of millions of Africans. I think she made some good points, and it wasn't nice to question my own behaviour. 

 

However, violence isn't unique to white people, and racism isn't innate it is learned. To reduce people whom do not have the same level of education as she does, to racists isn't particular progressive - white people are as much victims within the same society (millions of white males died in the First World War because the ruling classes deemed them cannon fodder). The history of Human beings is that we are violent, all groups have been guilty of this - the only different between white European's is the level with which we have done it. Where is the difference between the Moorish empire and the British empire? The French empire and the Mongol empire? Technology, memory and consequences seem to be the only difference. Prejudice certainly exists outside white cultures (bit disingenuous to suggest it has been exported) - China, India (as Skend says) and there is certainly prejudice within the Middle-east. 

 

When technology was relatively simple and little or no differentiation between continents empires came and went, from India, China, Africa, etc. When technological advances became more important the reach was wider. I abhor the British Empire, and what it stands for, it is an embarrassment that we 'celebrate' it today, but it was off its time. A cursory glance at the behaviour of the elite in the First World War surely puts the 'all white people are racist' comments into context. 

 

If you don't sell drugs as well as another drug dealer, you can't call him a 'drug dealer' as an insult. 

[SasaS]

Can't tell you all of the East's issues but India the closest thing to white privilege is casteism. What should be the norm for everyone is denied to certain sections of society just because they are a lower caste.

 

OK, I'll probably say stupid thing here as I'm really not an expert, but heck, it usually doesn't hold me back none.  Despite the caste systems, there are various other lines /relations of oppression, no? The PM is, if I am not mistaken, a Dalit, which would be the lowest cast. And the people who are the poorest in India, they are not poor along the racial lines, there are other factors at play here?

[Bjornebye]

Apparently Hitler had a wank in the pictures once. Damage his reputation that will 

[Jockey]

Apparently Hitler had a wank in the pictures once. Damage his reputation that will 

 

If it was to 'Horny Juden' then yeah, it would! 

[Hades]

Power is violent, it's a human trait not a racial one. Before white northern Europeans being violent and oppressive there's countless points in history of all races being utter cunts to those they can. Those with the capability will stomp on those they can generally speaking, you could argue this is the most enlightened and least violent time in human history.

 

Nobody is saying white privilege or Western capitalist empire is the ONLY oppressive force. There are the Saudis, Myanmar etc. It's just that one claims to be enlightened and still interferes in every world socialist movement in snide, underhanded ways. 

[Strontium]

racism isn't innate it is learned.

It's a bit more complex I think. People are hardwired to favour those who are similar to them, so it's not hard to see how racism could occur as a side effect of that.

[PestiRed]

People are hardwired to favour those they believe are similar to them. There's no credible evidence that a mixed race baby instinctively favours either the black or white parent. Not unless he/she is taught that one parent is more like him/her

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

They've made it to Liverpool again...

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-costume-shop-under-fire-13570233#ICID=FB-Liv-main

[SasaS]

People are hardwired to favour those they believe are similar to them. There's no credible evidence that a mixed race baby instinctively favours either the black or white parent. Not unless he/she is taught that one parent is more like him/her

 

Well yes, Tarzan was raised by chimpanzees, so he hated gorillas.

[Hades]

A Jew that regurgitates ever Nazi pseudoscience talking point. How original.

[Strontium]

A Jew that regurgitates ever Nazi pseudoscience talking point. How original.

 

Degree in ecology. Scientific fact.

 

You're a dangerously ignorant clown who adds nothing positive to human existence.

[moof]

Degree in ecology. Scientific fact.

 

You're a dangerously ignorant clown who adds nothing positive to human existence.

Good move with the edit.

[Strontium]

Good move with the edit.

 

No need to lower myself to his level.

 

Countless scientific studies show.. actually, fuck it. I am guilty of taking a vile, nasty, wanton troll seriously.

[Rico1304]

People are hardwired to favour those they believe are similar to them. There's no credible evidence that a mixed race baby instinctively favours either the black or white parent. Not unless he/she is taught that one parent is more like him/her

There is evolutionary evidence that people are hard wired to fear other groups based on the catastrophic impact of new pathogens. Well, according to the Joe Rogan podcast I listened to today.

[Rico1304]

People are hardwired to favour those they believe are similar to them. There's no credible evidence that a mixed race baby instinctively favours either the black or white parent. Not unless he/she is taught that one parent is more like him/her

Double post.

[cloggypop]

 

 

No need to lower myself to his level.

 

 

Hadesist!

[Strontium]

There is evolutionary evidence that people are hard wired to fear other groups based on the catastrophic impact of new pathogens. Well, according to the Joe Rogan podcast I listened to today.

 

With good reason too. While Hades' ancestors were stealing the land of native Australians, most Aborigines were actually killed by the diseases that the white man brought. Smallpox on its own killed more than half of Aboriginal Australians.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

They've made it to Liverpool again...

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-costume-shop-under-fire-13570233#ICID=FB-Liv-main

In a street named after a leading proponent of the slave trade.

[Hades]

I'm sure there are countless scientific studies that show the opposite. Science isn't immune from terrible politics and economic agendas. In fact most of science is littered with it.

 

As for dangerously ignorant, well the current system is killing tens of millions of people and wrecking the planet.