Alternative 'rona thread

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Checking something exists isn’t the same as checking it’s true. 

 

I'd seen several of them myself already (if I've remembered properly what Maajid said), two about the 77th brigade, one about the UK nudge unit in UnHerd and another about totalitarian use of fear in the Torygraph. They're here :

 

Will nudge theory survive the pandemic? State propaganda can flourish in times of crisis

Use of fear to control behaviour in Covid crisis was 'totalitarian', admit scientists

Twitter executive for Middle East is British Army 'psyops' soldier

 

The final was about Tobias Ellwood being in/having been in 77th brigade I think which he confirmed himself :

 

 

[Rico1304]

No.  I could link to a post claiming that Dave Usher has the best hair in the world.  That wouldn’t confirm that Dave had the best hair, but that a claim had been made.  
 

I could link to claims the earth is flat that aliens live amongst us and TK has kissed a girl. All nonsense. 

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

No.  I could link to a post claiming that Dave Usher has the best hair in the world.  That wouldn’t confirm that Dave had the best hair, but that a claim had been made.  
 

I could link to claims the earth is flat that aliens live amongst us and TK has kissed a girl. All nonsense. 

 

So everything I just linked and everything else Maajid said is nonsense, even though you've not listened to the podcast? OK.

[Bjornebye]

4 hours ago, Pureblood said:

Cunt 

[Pureblood]

[Pureblood]

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19932460.fundraiser-newton-aycliffe-footballer-died-pitch-reaches-20k/

 

A FUNDRAISER to help the family of a footballer from Newton Aycliffe who suddenly died on the pitch has surpassed its £20,000 target – with his family now hoping to raise awareness of the importance of defibrillators at sports clubs.

 

Father of three Darren Scott passed away on Saturday (February 12) during a football match between his Cobblers Hall over 40s team and South Shields Catholic Club after having an unexpected medical emergency.

[Pureblood]

https://foxesofleicester.com/2022/02/19/leicester-city-james-maddison-scary/

 

Latest on James Maddison injury after scary withdrawal from Leicester match

 

 

Maddison went down to the ground away from the ball with no opponents in his vicinity. Scarily, he seemed dazed and had his pulse tested by attending medical experts at the ground. Concern for Maddison was felt in the Blue Army.

 

“He [Maddison] wasn’t feeling well so we took him off. He is in with the medics and he feels fine. He just felt a bit funny in the game. We didn’t want to put any risk with that.

Rodgers was asked if Maddison had collapsed on the field but insisted: “No no, he just felt unwell so we took him off.”

[Skidfingers McGonical]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

No.  I could link to a post claiming that Dave Usher has the best hair in the world.  That wouldn’t confirm that Dave had the best hair, but that a claim had been made.  
 

I could link to claims the earth is flat that aliens live amongst us and TK has kissed a girl. All nonsense. 

And it would be wrong.
 

We all know it’s @TheBitch who holds that title.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

No.  I could link to a post claiming that Dave Usher has the best hair in the world.  That wouldn’t confirm that Dave had the best hair, but that a claim had been made.  
 

I could link to claims the earth is flat that aliens live amongst us and TK has kissed a girl. All nonsense. 

It's Ivermectin saving Japan all over again.

 

Scratch the surface and you find it's a cycle of podcasters, tweeters and YouTubers quoting one another in a bizarre feedback loop, and using that as a form of cumulative veracity. 

[Rocky Sullivan]

2 hours ago, Pureblood said:

Body fascism. Cool Bro.

[Rico1304]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

So everything I just linked and everything else Maajid said is nonsense, even though you've not listened to the podcast? OK.

No. He makes a specific claim about what he’s done during the pandemic. That is demonstrably false.  

[Rico1304]

2 hours ago, Pureblood said:

Is it because we know you’re a 40 odd year old bloke, bowling in empty nets whilst wearing boot cut jeans and going back to your mums spare room where she sighs every time she hears the key in the door? 

[Pureblood]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-pointless-tyranny-of-italy-s-covid-pass

 

The pointless tyranny of Italy’s Covid pass

20 February 2022, 7:25am

While most European countries, especially Britain, are relaxing their Covid restrictions, Italy which has the toughest of the lot, this week made them tougher still – even though the data shows they are futile.

Perhaps it is because Italy is a country where fortune tellers and faith healers are a multi-billion pound industry that it has the most draconian vaccine passport regime in Europe. Either way, mass psychosis blinds its politicians and people from the truth.

In the UK, bogus claims by government scientific advisers about the need for, and benefits of, lockdowns were in the end convincingly demolished and The Spectator played a significant role in the process. It is high time that similar bogus claims about vaccine passports are debunked as well.

There can be no better place to start this debunking process than Italy.

The justification for Italy’s vaccine passport regime – called ‘Il Green Pass’ – when introduced last August was that it would increase vaccine uptake, create safe spaces for the vaccinated, and thereby reduce Covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths. It has done none of these things.

Instead the regime became steadily more draconian. The unvaccinated were soon banned from nearly all public spaces and public transport, and even from work, unless they had had Covid in the last six months – or paid for a €15 Covid test once every 48 hours.

Hailed as a huge success with religious fervour by Italy’s government of national unity, headed by the unelected premier and ex-EU central banker, Mario Draghi, ‘Il Green Pass’ has been in reality nothing but an exercise in pointless tyranny.

Yet despite this, in December, the Draghi government introduced ‘Il Super Green Pass’ which made the regime even more tyrannical with vaccination now compulsory for all on public transport, and in many public spaces such as restaurants and bars – even outside – and hair salons and sports stadiums, unless they have had Covid in the past six months. The right of the unvaccinated to take the 48 hour €15 test to access them was cancelled.

And this week, with the infection rate in free fall, compulsory vaccination was extended to the workplace for the over 50s. Vaccination was already compulsory at work for health and emergency service workers and teachers. But from now on, no unvaccinated person over the age of 50 who has not had Covid in the past six months can go to work. If they do, they and their employer face fines of €600 to €1,500. Previously, they could still go to work if they took the €15 Covid test every two days or if they had Covid in the past six months. There are 500,000 unvaccinated Italians over the age of 50 who work and will now be suspended on no pay – according to Italian press reports – unless they throw in the towel and get jabbed.

Naturally, neither unelected Draghi nor anyone else in his cross-party coalition is ever going to admit that what they trumpet as their proudest achievement is a failure. Nor will Italy’s media which has so supinely toed the government line – nor the Italians themselves – three quarters of whom support ‘Il Green Pass’ in the polls. They all have too much face to lose now.

That their obsessive belief about the marvels of ‘Il Green Pass’ is complete nonsense is clear from a comparison of the data for Italy and Britain which has not really had any form of vaccine passport.

Italy and Britain have similar populations, with 59 million and 69 million people, respectively.

Today – after nearly seven months of Italy’s vaccine passport regime – the number of unvaccinated people in Italy and Britain remains more or less the same. In Italy, 88.92 per cent of over 12s are fully vaccinated, compared to 84.9 per cent in Britain.

In January, there were still 5.9 million unvaccinated Italians over the age of 12 – once again a similar number to the one in Britain.

The lesson is clear: as Britain shows, the vast majority of people have chosen to be vaccinated of their own free will and do not need to be compelled to do so by the state. Indeed, compelling people to do so – as Italy shows – does not work.

What matters most, of course, is the body count. But here too ‘Il Green Pass’ and ‘Il Super Green Pass’ have had little effect. In fact, by creating a sense of false confidence among the vaccinated, they may well have made matters worse. Either way, they have failed.

If they had worked Italy’s infection rates would have been far lower than Britain’s. Yet since the start of the last big sombrero wave in December caused by the Omicron variant, Italy has had a remarkably similar number of Covid infections to green pass-less Britain.

The explanation, of course, is that regardless of all those green passes, vaccinated Italians infect each other.

Since 1 December – when the Delta variant was on the way out and the Omicron variant on the way in – there have been around 7 million Covid cases in both Italy and Britain.

In Italy, 70 per cent of Covid infections in the past month have been in people either partially or completely vaccinated. True, proportionately, few vaccinated people who get Covid end up in hospital, or dead, but those who do still add up to a lot of people. Around half of Covid hospitalisations in Italy and more than half of Covid deaths since December have been either partially or fully vaccinated people.

To add insult to injury, Italy has had many more Covid deaths than Britain since 1 December as well.

In Italy, since 1 December, there have been 18,000 Covid deaths, compared to 15,000 Covid deaths in Britain. That is a huge difference.

Yet Italy's politicians, journalists and most Italians themselves continue to believe that ‘Il Green Pass’, now morphed into ‘Il Super Green Pass’, is the only solution.

Italy has not had an elected Prime Minister since 2011 – elected in the sense that the Prime Minister has been leader of a coalition or party that won a general election. However, it is not the un-democratic nature of Italian governments that explains Italy's vaccine passport regime but the dictatorial nature of the Italians. Ironically, the only major party to oppose the regime is the post-fascist Fratelli d'Italia.

Almost unbelievably, last week a journalist actually quizzed Professor Walter Ricciardi, the Health Minister's Covid scientific adviser, about this comparison between Italy and Britain on a major TV political chat show.

The professor – an Italian equivalent of our own beloved professor Neil Ferguson – was droning on about how the vaccine passport guarantees liberty when a journalist present asked him why it was necessary when countries like Britain and Spain have no such thing and yet had a lower death rate.

Indeed, according to John Hopkins University figures Italy has had 252.55 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants and Britain 240.57.

Prof Ricciardi – who accused the journalist of making statements ‘destitute of any scientifc foundation’ – retorted: ‘England calculates deaths in a completely different way from us – if it calculated in the same way, it would have double. It claims about 150,000 but it's 300,000.’

Nonsense! In reality, Britain requires only that the deceased has tested positive in the last 28 days of their life which if anything over-estimates the death-toll. But in Italy, health service guidelines state: ‘Testing positive to Sars-Cov-2 is not enough to consider the death to be due to Covid-19.’

The professor went on to claim that the inglesi (Italians always insist Britain is England) have refused to learn from Italy and as a result Inghilterra's ‘numbers of deaths and cases’ are ‘enormously greater than ours’. Nonsense, again. He concluded by saying that the NHS is so bad that for hip surgery ‘it’s a ten year wait’. That, at least, is possibly true.

WRITTEN BYNicholas Farrell

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

No. He makes a specific claim about what he’s done during the pandemic. That is demonstrably false.  

 

I'm not even sure what you're talking about but you'd already made your mind up before the episode had even come out so it probably doesn't matter.

[Pureblood]

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/maajid-nawaz-exclusive-interview-with-neil-oliver-vaccine-mandates_CH8ifAnlGB7dSUb.html

 

[Red Shift]

 

 

[Pureblood]

[Red Phoenix]

2 hours ago, Red Shift said:

 

 

Guilt by association?

 

 

Andriy Parubiy

[Pureblood]

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

[DalyanPete]

21 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Would.

[Pureblood]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-urged-ditch-covid-26282349

 

Nicola Sturgeon urged to ditch covid vaccine passports as scheme branded 'complete failure'

[Red Phoenix]

 

 

[Pureblood]

https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1569371/evangeline-lilly-calls-out-justin-trudeau-news-covid-vaccine-canada-protests-news-latest

 

Marvel's Evangeline Lilly calls out Justin Trudeau as she reacts to Canada protests

“Dear Prime Minister Trudeau, I want to speak to you today about your current approach to and current treatment of our fellow Canadians who are protesting your federal vaccine mandates.

 

“They have asked to meet with you, Prime Minister - medical experts, top scientists, doctors, nurses, parents, grandparents, intelligent, loving, concerned citizens.

 

She added: “If you’re so convinced of your own reasons for the mandates, sit down and walk the leaders of a group of 2.3 million protesters across the country who represent many millions more across the nation, and explain it to them and ask them to listen with open hearts and minds, and then reciprocate.

[Pureblood]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/priti-patel-geoff-barton-house-of-lords-police-covid-b2019679.html

 

Headteachers welcome buffer zones around schools to stop anti-vaccine protests

“The amendment to the Policing Bill proposed by the House of Lords, which will allow local authorities to quickly establish buffer zones around schools where there is a threat of disruption, is therefore welcomed as an extra tier of protection.”

 

“Anything that prevents protests happening again in future is long overdue and we hope the measures in the Policing Bill will come in time to prevent further unwanted disruption to the current vaccination programme,” he added.