Is it time to start to question what's really happening?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

17 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It makes people not talk about the issue but talk about cunts ruining art. 

Which is bollocks, of course: they got soup on a pane of glass. But that's always been the Catch 22 of protest; polite protest gets ignored, disruptive protest gets discredited.

 

I don't have any answers, but I'm not going to waste any energy getting angry at kids gluing their hands to gallery walls, while psychopathic kleptocrats are burning the whole planet.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Well, now they know it's protected, they will try something else. For me, they're idiots. It does nothing to help their cause, it does the opposite, and even if it did then trying to destroy artwork isn't the way to go about it. I have lots of bandwidth for condemnation; twats and psychopathic kleptocrats. 

[cloggypop]

They don't hate Picasso or Van Gogh. They aren't all out to destroy their work. They want to stop the use of oil. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

They don't hate Picasso or Van Gogh. They aren't all out to destroy their work. They want to stop the use of oil. 

Indeed. Out of interest, how much oil does throwing soup at paintings stop? 

 

 

[cloggypop]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Indeed. Out of interest, how much oil does throwing soup at paintings stop? 

 

 

You've now heard of their organisation. So have a lot of others. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, cloggypop said:

They don't hate Picasso or Van Gogh. They aren't all out to destroy their work. They want to stop the use of oil. 

Exactly.

 

Now put your tin hat on. 

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Indeed. Out of interest, how much oil does throwing soup at paintings stop? 

 

 

You understand these people have no power other than to try to get people to discuss the issue and these stunts are not aimed to solve anything but to make noise and increase awareness?

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, cloggypop said:

You've now heard of their organisation. So have a lot of others. 

Cool. How much oil use does that stop? 

[cloggypop]

They should have gone with Campbell's Tomato Soup rather than Heinz like. More of an artistic precedent. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Bob Spunkmouse said:

You understand these people have no power other than to try to get people to discuss the issue and these stunts are not aimed to solve anything but to make noise and increase awareness?

Yes, I do. After all, I'm not 10. I'm just wondering if you think this helps their cause rather than gets people to go 'cunts' and instantly forget who they are and dismiss everything they say. 

[Gnasher]

If they disturb the Epsom Derby by throwing themselves in front of a horse I'll agree with Mr Torylite's idea to feed them into a woodchipper.

[cloggypop]

Just now, Gnasher said:

If they disturb the Epsom Derby by throwing themselves in front of a horse I'll agree with Mr Torylite's idea to feed them into a woodchipper.

Throwing yourself in front of a horse results in how many female voters? 

 

If anything you've only lost one potential voter. 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

They should have gone with Campbell's Tomato Soup rather than Heinz like. More of an artistic precedent. 

It's a massive plus that they only attacked that renowned Dutch painter and left the British Rolf Harris classics alone. 

[Bob]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yes, I do. After all, I'm not 10. I'm just wondering if you think this helps their cause rather than gets people to go 'cunts' and instantly forget who they are and dismiss everything they say. 

The people who go “cut so and instantly forget who they are weren’t giving a shit anyway.
 

Those who want governments and big business to make the changes we need to avoid catastrophic climate change are not going to change their mind because they don’t like the way this has been protested, so it makes no odds to them.

 

Those who would change their mind and say “we’ll now you’ve done this protest  against what you stand for” are a fucking problem and it’s better to see them out of the woodwork.

 

There are others - plenty of others - who are now hearing a message they wouldn’t have otherwise heard because these protests got on the news. Some of that will stick.

 

Remember the anger at the M25 blockade for insulate Britain? Don’t they look a lot more reasonable 6 months on now we wish we’d have fucking insulated Britain?

[Gnasher]

Just now, cloggypop said:

Throwing yourself in front of a horse results in how many female voters? 

 

If anything you've only lost one potential voter. 

You're right, silly protest that turned out to be. Everyone's still upset over the horse race.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

They missed a trick not calling themselves "Well oil be damned!"

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

The people who go “cut so and instantly forget who they are weren’t giving a shit anyway.
 

Those who want governments and big business to make the changes we need to avoid catastrophic climate change are not going to change their mind because they don’t like the way this has been protested, so it makes no odds to them.

 

Those who would change their mind and say “we’ll now you’ve done this protest  against what you stand for” are a fucking problem and it’s better to see them out of the woodwork.

 

There are others - plenty of others - who are now hearing a message they wouldn’t have otherwise heard because these protests got on the news. Some of that will stick.

 

Remember the anger at the M25 blockade for insulate Britain? Don’t they look a lot more reasonable 6 months on now we wish we’d have fucking insulated Britain?

Excellent.

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

They missed a trick not calling themselves "Well oil be damned!"

Ha brilliant.

[cloggypop]

11 minutes ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

There are others - plenty of others - who are now hearing a message they wouldn’t have otherwise heard because these protests got on the news. Some of that will stick.

And some of them will join.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

22 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Indeed. Out of interest, how much oil does throwing soup at paintings stop? 

 

 

About as much as disrupting football matches does.

[Numero Veinticinco]

15 minutes ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

The people who go “cut so and instantly forget who they are weren’t giving a shit anyway.
 

Those who want governments and big business to make the changes we need to avoid catastrophic climate change are not going to change their mind because they don’t like the way this has been protested, so it makes no odds to them.

 

Those who would change their mind and say “we’ll now you’ve done this protest  against what you stand for” are a fucking problem and it’s better to see them out of the woodwork.

 

There are others - plenty of others - who are now hearing a message they wouldn’t have otherwise heard because these protests got on the news. Some of that will stick.

 

Remember the anger at the M25 blockade for insulate Britain? Don’t they look a lot more reasonable 6 months on now we wish we’d have fucking insulated Britain?

No, they don't. They achieved nothing. It was already Labour policy, and the Tories aren't doing it. So blockading the M25 did nothing. They were right about the need for insulation then, these kids who achieved fuck all bar condemnation, aren't wrong about the actual issue either. Throwing soup or stopping traffic does nothing other than make them look stupid and turn more people away from your cause than attract them to it. It's the mindset of a fucking moron. I prefer things that actually work rather than a shock-jock tactic. I'm just tired of brainless shit. 

[Gnasher]

Put the cunts in the woodchipper. 

 

https://juststopoil.org/

 

"Bring soup and sandwiches" cheek of them, trying to save our planet.

[cloggypop]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

About as much as disrupting football matches does.

Far more people have heard of Picasso and Van Gogh than Everton.

[Gnasher]

Lesson of the day. Them "shock tactics" of throwing yourself in front of a horse never work.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

Far more people have heard of Picasso and Van Gogh than Everton.

I do, however, support throwing soup at Everton.