Coronavirus

[mattyq]

Meanwhile in the real world

 

 

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

I have no idea how you are extrapolating that.

As far as I am aware not many asymptomatic folks keel over from either flu or Covid.

The study you posted said as much - the majority don't even see a Doctor - it is highly doubtful that they then die.

Without going to see a Doctor. In fact it is bordering on ridiculous.

Quite.

 

In Sweden, they are using Covid as an actual cause of death, to measure how many people Covid kills. This equates to just 13% of the people that die with a positive Cobid death within the last 30 days. 

 

If you are testing everybody at death's door, or even post mortem, you will find a lot of people who had asymptomatic flu too, but we don't do that do we. We only do this for Covid.

 

I can draw you a Venn Diagram if you like. I've upgraded to 3D MS Paint now.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Quite.

 

In Sweden, they are using Covid as an actual cause of death, to measure how many people Covid kills. This equates to just 13% of the people that die with a positive Cobid death within the last 30 days. 

 

If you are testing everybody at death's door, or even post mortem, you will find a lot of people who had asymptomatic flu too, but we don't do that do we. We only do this for Covid.

 

I can draw you a Venn Diagram if you like. I've upgraded to 3D MS Paint now.

Can you draw Dwayne (The Rock)'s Johnson please 

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Can you draw Dwayne (The Rock)'s Johnson please 

I don't have the skills. I have tried to recreate Barrymore many times, and failed at that too.

[TheHowieLama]

Again, folks in the hospital who are sick with something else are very rarely asymptomatic for the flu. You are taking all of this out of context imo. Sweden is the last place to use as an example as they have been manipulating data to suit the entire time.

 

Yes. Please get the Venn diagram up. 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I don't have the skills. I have tried to recreate Barrymore many times, and failed at that too.

I knew something wasn't wight with you. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Again, folks in the hospital who are sick with something else are very rarely asymptomatic for the flu. You are taking all of this out of context imo. Sweden is the last place to use as an example as they have been manipulating data to suit the entire time.

 

Yes. Please get the Venn diagram up. 

Citation needed.

 

Surely Sweden measuring cause of death is better than us measuring whether the person had Covid in the last 30 days. Remember, this was once 90 days too. It's completely illogical. Why are we testing for Covid post mortem if it's not been evident prior to death, and if they've actually had negative deaths prior to test?

 

I can see for background data this may be of interest, but not in headline figures for Covid deaths.

[Barrington Womble]

33 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

So are you disputing the fact that if the flu deaths were recorded in the same way Covid numbers are, then a bad flu season would be 60 - 70 thousand deaths?

 

 

I'm not disputing anything. I don't know how flu deaths are recorded. You seem to be asserting the method we use today for covid isn't a valid way to track things. I realise it's not perfect, but I don't think the number differences are enough to get alarmed about. It's like trump complaining that some bloke in number 23 might have signed his ballot paper in the wrong place. It's just a fucking distraction from the big picture. 

[Sugar Ape]

Don’t the ONS release this data anyway on whether it’s the underlying cause or not? And it’s much higher than Flu. 
 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

501 deaths. Thursday reporting delay. 

[3 Stacks]

The Covid on the death certificate thing is literally the exact same argument as the voter fraud thing in the US election. The exact same. Hyperbole of an issue that by all accounts is ultimately pretty irrelevant. Peddled by the same type of people too.

[Sugar Ape]

Actually, just had a look and the latest figures are from a couple of days ago. 
 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I knew that I was right to go with online shopping. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418

[TheHowieLama]

8 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

 

Surely Sweden measuring cause of death is better

If you want to measure apples to apples the last two seasons it looks like flu deaths as recorded by the Swedes were just over 1000.

They are now at over 6,300 using the same recording method with about 4 months to go to complete an annual cycle.

Still not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

 

And get the diagram up.

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

If you want to measure apples to apples the last two seasons it looks like flu deaths as recorded by the Swedes were just over 1000.

They are now at over 6,300 using the same recording method with about 4 months to go to complete an annual cycle.

Still not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

 

And get the diagram up.

And in this country flu deaths have never been lower. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between.

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Actually, just had a look and the latest figures are from a couple of days ago. 
 

 

So it would seem it's pretty well covered and measured in the same way when you use the ONS. Another case of nothing to see here. 

[Spy Bee]

So, genuine question, how is the disparity so huge on Sweden's deaths and what they are claiming Sweden would be recording if they did it the same way as everyone else?

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

And in this country flu deaths have never been lower. I'm sure the truth is somewhere inbetween.

So the diagram has a couple of different countries in it now?

 

Looks like last year just under 4000 recorded flu related deaths in the UK.

[Strontium]

37 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

 

 

Interesting, I just downloaded the stats from November 2019, exactly one year ago, and adult critical care bed occupancy in England was 82.9%.

[TheHowieLama]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Interesting, I just downloaded the stats from November 2019, exactly one year ago, and adult critical care bed occupancy in England was 82.9%.

How many critical care beds have been added due to Covid?

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

How many critical care beds have been added due to Covid?

 

As of November 15th, there are 4,277 open adult critical care beds in England.

 

Last November, the total was 4,121.

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

As of November 15th, there are 4,277 open adult critical care beds in England.

 

Last November, the total was 4,121.

That wasn't the question.

[JohnnyH]

People do understand that when in lockdown it’s not just the coronavirus spread that is reduced, but all communicable diseases? Flu spread will be down too as people aren’t out and about spreading it or are wearing face masks and helping lessen its spread. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

"You can't occupy a critical care bed if you're already dead before you get admitted to one." 

[TheHowieLama]

9 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

People do understand that when in lockdown it’s not just the coronavirus spread that is reduced, but all communicable diseases? Flu spread will be down too as people aren’t out and about spreading it or are wearing face masks and helping lessen its spread. 

Yes mate - it was pointed out in this thread in March that the flu numbers would be low.