Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Guest Pistonbroke]

The only "trickle down effect Trump recognises is REMAINDER OF POST REMOVED ON LEGAL ADVICE

 

Isn't that the truth.

 

I have a feeling the UK (or should I say its normal citizens) are going to end up paying a hefty price to get less than what they had, the grass is always greener on the other side and all that. Other countries will always put their own interests first, they are not going to suddenly prop the UK up with super trading deals which favour the beggar. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

More threat tactics and hypocrisy from Brexiteers. They seem to be running scared so resort to spouting bollocks.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38694465

The German economy will pay a "high price" if its leaders make life hard for the UK over Brexit, British pro-Leave campaigners are to warn.

John Longworth, co-chair of Leave means Leave, and ex-minister Owen Paterson will sound the warning at a major German business event on Saturday.

Britain will "walk away" if the deal is not right, Mr Longworth will say.

Theresa May has said it will be an act of "calamitous self-harm" for the EU to try and punish the UK for leaving.

The prime minister has said she wants the UK and the EU to be "good neighbours" in a constructive, new partnership after Brexit.

But she has warned that no deal will be better than a bad deal at the end of two years of negotiations - which are expected to start in April.

Mr Longworth, former British Chamber of Commerce director general, will echo these views at the Berlin event - attended by German ministers, business, academia and media.

"It is entirely sensible for businesses across the EU and Britain who wish to work and trade together to continue to do so and it would be helpful if the British and German governments, as well as key figures in the EU, work towards this goal," he will say.

"If the German Chancellor and EU leaders continue down the road of negativity and threats when negotiating with Britain, German business and the German economy will pay a high price."

'Voice of business'

He will warn German businesses that the UK will revert back to World Trade Organisation rules "with ease" if it offers a bad deal.

He will suggest that the government could simply "compensate" business for any tariffs that are imposed on goods and services as a result.

"We want a system whereby free trade will continue, but in order for this to happen, you need to make representations to your government and the EU," he will say.

"The voice of business must drown out that of the bitter politics of the EU project."

Mr Paterson, a former environment secretary, will warn that "cack-handed" negotiations could have serious consequences for German exporters.

"Germany and the UK have a mutual, strategic and selfish interest in maintaining reciprocal free trade," he will say.

"It is vital that businesses in key member states such as Germany are listened to carefully during the negotiations."

Organised by Tönissteiner Kreis, a network supported by the main German industry federations, the gathering will explore the future of British-German relations after Brexit.

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has warned the rest of the EU against "punishment beatings" in the manner of a World War Two movie.

His comments were criticised by Labour and other opposition politicians.

[skend04]

I wonder if leavers were listening to Trump's speach yesterday. That bit about putting America first doesn't bode well for this trade deal we've suddenly moved to the front of the queue for.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I wonder if leavers were listening to Trump's speach yesterday. That bit about putting America first doesn't bode well for this trade deal we've suddenly moved to the front of the queue for.

 

Trump was just lying again, he'll be putting himself and his mates first. 

[VladimirIlyich]

I wonder if leavers were listening to Trump's speach yesterday. That bit about putting America first doesn't bode well for this trade deal we've suddenly moved to the front of the queue for.

America simply translates as 'the filthy rich' who make billions there.

[Barrington Womble]

I wonder if leavers were listening to Trump's speach yesterday. That bit about putting America first doesn't bode well for this trade deal we've suddenly moved to the front of the queue for.

To be honest, I thing that shite he talks about is about China and Mexico. He doesn't give a fuck about us and will happily give us a free trade deal, what the fuck do we make that they could import?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

To be honest, I thing that shite he talks about is about China and Mexico. He doesn't give a fuck about us and will happily give us a free trade deal, what the fuck do we make that they could import?

 

I have a feeling he'll be wanting to take advantage of the Tax haven which has been mentioned. 

[Barrington Womble]

I have a feeling he'll be wanting to take advantage of the Tax haven which has been mentioned.

He will from his personal point of view.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

He will from his personal point of view.

 

and that of his business mates on both sides of the pond. 

[skend04]

Surely this tax haven is a red herring? You've got RoI, Luxembourg and Holland that would provide low taxation destinations within the EU. The cake and eat it situation is available by staying in the EU.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Red Herring-->Threat-->Flapping

[skend04]

At odds to what our PM is telling the world.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/21/immigration-lowest-priority-young-people-brexit-poll

[magicrat]

At odds to what our PM is telling the world.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/21/immigration-lowest-priority-young-people-brexit-poll

 

Agreed and it's that demographic that will suffer the consequences of the decisions made by millions of people that will be pushing up daisies whilst the effects of Brexit are still being measured. 

[magicrat]

So instead of Polish and Romanian workers we are going to swap them for Aussies,

 

Theresa may never was much good at the immigration numbers , Anyway good to see we are getting back control of our borders,

 

The UK has been told it will have to relax its immigration rules for Australians if it wants a free trade deal with Canberra.

Alexander Downer, Australia's high commissioner to the UK, said the country would want better access for business people working in the UK before reaching a post-Brexit deal.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

You have to factor in how many of those youngsters will seek employment abroad once their studies are finished. Could end up having huge gaps in certain areas. 

[magicrat]

You have to factor in how many of those youngsters will seek employment abroad once their studies are finished. Could end up having huge gaps in certain areas. 

 

Not going to be so easy for young people to live and work in Europe now, Fuck know what restrictions there will be and there is the healthcare issue too, 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Not going to be so easy for young people to live and work in Europe now, Fuck know what restrictions there will be and there is the healthcare issue too, 

 

The World is a big place mate. Europe is just part of it, plus we have to see what happens with various agreements. 

[magicrat]

The World is a big place mate. Europe is just part of it, plus we have to see what happens with various agreements. 

 

I'm not so sanguine about it,

Freedom of movement around Europe is a lot to give up on the promises of a handful of well heeled right wing cunts and the allies in the Murdoch press. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I'm not so sanguine about it,

Freedom of movement around Europe is a lot to give up on the promises of a handful of well heeled right wing cunts and the allies in the Murdoch press. 

 

Things change mate, sometimes for the better. I know it is easier said than done but sometimes escaping isn't always as hard as it seems. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The World is a big place mate. Europe is just part of it, plus we have to see what happens with various agreements. 

Well, quite.

 

Europe is easy and affordable to get to from here.  The rest of the world isn't.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Well, quite.

 

Europe is easy and affordable to get to from here.  The rest of the world isn't.

 

Fair enough. Depends how much you want it mate and where you want to go. Plenty of people have families/friends in different countries/continents. Europe will not be totally out of bounds, if you have the qualifications and speak their language then opportunities will still be there, you might have to apply for a working visa/ take up Citizenship there, but we don't know what deals will be put in place as of yet. Sometimes you have to take the risk, it can be scary, but nothing ventured nothing gained and all that. I'd strongly advise learning the language of any country one might want to work in, far too many people rock up thinking they'll get buy without it. 

[Kloppite]

Class war!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Class war!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

EU Law Professor Michael Dougan analyses the Prime Minister's Brexit speech.

 

[The Golden Eel]

The implications of Brexit starting to become more prominent over here now, exactly what Northern Ireland needs right now on top of all the other shite going down at the minute is the prospect of some type of border with the South