Go fuck yourselves FSG

[xerxes]

I think we're just going to have to disagree on that one, mate. What Dortmund have done is just as possible here, if not easier given the wages and attraction to players this league offers.

 

We don't need to spend more, but we spend more than all bar Chelsea and City. Yet it's United who have won 3 of the last 5 with the massive spenders winning one each. We've got the money, we've spent huge sums, but we spent it wrong. Has we spent it more wisely - regardless of who is at fault for it - we'd be in a much better position. Once we're back in the CL, we will have extreme firepower, and will be a match for anybody. The only thing that can go wrong is that we spend £35m on the next Andy Carroll. We don't need to pick up Lewandowski at 4.5m, we're not that strapped. It'll be easier for us now we've got a better system in place.

 

I think some people think negativity equates to reality and positivity equates to fantasy. Reality equates to reality, and what we're really seeing is gains in areas that can make a difference on the pitch. That's something to be positive about.

 

My scepticism about us, or any PL club, being able to “do a Dortmund” is that the financial regulations offer Abrahamovic and Mansour to flex their muscles far more than the Bundesliga allows their clubs. Furthermore the stadium advantage that Man U and Arsenal have over the rest, £60m a season, is far greater than in Germany. I just don’t think that we can get lucky enough, or have the shrewdness and experience at manager and MD level to crack it.

 

Yes we might manage the odd CL season, but that won’t be enough to restock the coffers.

 

I agree that our transfer dealings post KK have been much smarter, and we are making progress.

[MajesticSuarez]

How is that catch 22?

 

All signings whether they are left wing or obvious are catch 22. Signing players is a gamble. When Rafa was boss, the majority of his best signings were left wing( not obvious). There was the occasional left wing signing that flopped.

 

When it came to making obvious signings, his record wasn't the best. Fernando Torres and Javier Mascherano were possibly his best two obvious signings.

 

Look at Brendan Rodgers signings from last season. He's made 5 signings. 3 obvious and 2 left wing. With his obvious signings, he's got a 33% success rate. One of out three, Daniel Sturridge was the success. The jury is out on Allen and Borini. With his left wing signings, he's got a 50% success rate. Coutinho has been a success. Assaidi hasn't performed as well as we thought.

[Hand Shandy]

Do you mean leftfield, or are all these signings closet socialists?

[dennis tooth]

Wrong. The debt schedule zeroes in 2031.

 

Are you completely thick or is your hed just full of shit?

 

Its not wrong, its correct as you can get, thats the rate of interest.

They are paying more than this and have to, in order to pay it down.

2031 is the year it will no longer negatively affect their transfer budget then?

[dennis tooth]

A good post in full. The only point I would quibble on is that I believe Arsenal’s greater spending power is the determining factor in their recent primacy over us.

FSG have done a decent job as owners. The recent sale of Shelvey, for a profit, demonstrates a transfer policy bearing fruit as much as the success of Coutinho and Suarez.

 

Where I disagree with some is the idea that shrewd transfer dealing and good management will be enough to restore us as a PL title/CL chasing side. The owner money of Mansour and Abrahamovic and the stadium power of Old Trafford and the Emirates provides an unbridgeable chasm- until we have a redeveloped or new stadium.

 

Are you that fucking thick? Your false point was demolished ages ago, why you still chatting that same shit? change the record fuckss sake.

[xerxes]

Are you completely thick or is your hed just full of shit?

 

Its not wrong, its correct as you can get, thats the rate of interest.

They are paying more than this and have to, in order to pay it down.

2031 is the year it will no longer negatively affect their transfer budget then?

 

Dennis, your brain power is equivalent to that of an amoeba.

 

The debt is zeroed in 2031,fact. Check the accounts.

 

They are not overpaying, becuase there is a financial penalty for them to do so. There was an opportunity for them to make capital payment a few years ago which they took.

 

The stadium has never negatively affected their transfer budget because surplus revenue exceeds debt payments.

 

I hope that helps.

[xerxes]

Are you that fucking thick? Your false point was demolished ages ago, why you still chatting that same shit? change the record fuckss sake.

 

Is it not better that we should all assume you are ignorant rather than for you to go out of your way to prove it? Again.......and again......and again....:whatever:

[corro]

I have come on for a nose about to see if maybe we might have a chance with the micky fella.

Maj is banned?? I don't know how this shit works so can some patient individual let me know what he done to get banned.

He didn't seem that out of order. A bit mental but he wasn't alone on that score.

[Jennings]

... A bit mental but he wasn't alone on that score.

 

Getting nervous?

[dennis tooth]

Dennis, your brain power is equivalent to that of an amoeba.

 

The debt is zeroed in 2031,fact. Check the accounts.

 

They are not overpaying, becuase there is a financial penalty for them to do so. There was an opportunity for them to make capital payment a few years ago which they took.

 

The stadium has never negatively affected their transfer budget because surplus revenue exceeds debt payments.

 

I hope that helps.

 

Christ, are you that thick?

 

Yes, I agree with you that the debt is scheduled to be zeroed in 2031. Fact

 

They are having to pay for the new stadium in that time which impacts on their 'spending power' (Like its a superhero so an imbecile like you can understand it.) FACT

 

The interest, read it carefully, the interest, (I am not sure you understand the term 'interest' but go into a local bank and they will explain it for you.)

 

Originally Posted by xerxes

There is nothing to correct apart from acknowedging your own error.

 

Arsenal are grossing £60m a year more at the gate than at Highbury ( and than us at Anfield). They are paying it off at £14m a season. That gives them, and has given them, a £46m a season advantage.

 

As time goes on that advantage ratchets up.

 

Thats what you wrote, you scrote, dont come around here with your balls out.

This is the picture:

Total gross debt stands at £254.6m. The stadium debt has been structured to reduce gradually to zero by 2031. Arsenal pay about £14m interest per year and currently repay about £6m of capital each year.

So, thats £14 mil in interest payment and a further £6m capital, which is what actually pays it down, its silly to build a stadium now, something called the credit crunch cause even more exhortant interest rates on the kind of loans required to build a big fuck off stadium. When H and G took over they would have had the stadium built and it would have needed loans, so when the credit crunch kicked in they couldnt get loans to finance the stadium or not at any reasonable, returnable rate.

Get it in your thick skull anyway you gimp, they are paying on average about £20m a season, which is there or thereabouts normally covered by selling their best players and signing some soft Arse French shite who have loads of talent but are mentally deficient in some way. They are therefore no better off for having built the stadium, in 2031, they'll be back in the position we are in, owning our own stadium but they will probably be out the champions league, its all, read all built on Wenger, the 'spending power' wankery you and that other baffoon keep referring to is bollocks, oh well thats wengers choice. Not up on the slightly problematice lack of major signings, and very well spotted Numero, the chairmen and directors who are cleaning up on the back of the club wouldnt have any interest in claiming 'there's loads of money' while Wenger bickers over a few pence on a new keeper. When you are paying for weetaix by the mouths of those eating it, you dont tell them you are doing that if you can help it.

 

Once Wenger goes we will see how their shiney new stadium drives them fucking under, once they drop out the CL and still having to pay £20m and the production line stops as it seems to have coughed and splutter a load of over hyped young crocks in the last few years anyway, we will see how good they look mate.

We need every penny on players, all hands in to the pump for the top 4, its not Peter Risdale Im talking to is it? Hows the goldfish?

[dennis tooth]

First they came for Majestic, and I didnt speak up because Im not majestic, then they came for me and there was nobody left to speak up for me

[mattyq]

I certainly hope somebody put him out of his misery

[corro]

Getting nervous?

 

No not at all. Why do you ask?

 

Why was Maj banned? Did he upset a few of the hard core gobshites?

 

Shocking state of affairs getting fucked off for being a little outspoken.

[xerxes]

Yes, I agree with you that the debt is scheduled to be zeroed in 2031. Fact

 

There is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repents............

 

They are having to pay for the new stadium in that time which impacts on their 'spending power' ( FACT)

 

But because their enhanced income of an extra £60m a year is greater than their debt payments they are better off.

 

Hopefully, having grasped the first point, you will now grasp the second.

[dennis tooth]

There is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repents............

 

 

 

But because their enhanced income of an extra £60m a year is greater than their debt payments they are better off.

 

Hopefully, having grasped the first point, you will now grasp the second.

 

No, the people that run the club are better off, they are £30mil down a year, £40 mil that never gets spent because its going in people's pockets.

As has been pointed out, they have been reliant on their manager's skill.

 

Their atmospere is shite, and highbury is missed, ticket prices are ridiculous.

[WhiskeyJar]

No not at all. Why do you ask?

 

Why was Maj banned? Did he upset a few of the hard core gobshites?

 

Shocking state of affairs getting fucked off for being a little outspoken.

 

Made a racist remark, did not listen to reason, was clearly a WUM and a suspected Manc fan.

 

Sums up really.

[xerxes]

No, the people that run the club are better off, they are £30mil down a year, £40 mil that never gets spent because its going in people's pockets.As has been pointed out, they have been reliant on their manager's skill.Their atmospere is shite, and highbury is missed, ticket prices are ridiculous.

How are they £30m "down" a year? An extra £60m a year is just that.

 

How any club chooses to spend its income, once generated, is a different matter.

 

Surely any club expects its manager to exercise skill? That is why they are employed.

 

As for poor atmosphere and ridiculous ticket prices............

 

Highbury missed? Maybe, but in the modern game the extra £60m isn't.

[dennis tooth]

How are they £30m "down" a year? An extra £60m a year is just that.

 

How any club chooses to spend its income, once generated, is a different matter.

 

Surely any club expects its manager to exercise skill? That is why they are employed.

 

As for poor atmosphere and ridiculous ticket prices............

 

Highbury missed? Maybe, but in the modern game the extra £60m isn't.

 

They arent getting it for transfers though, thats the point, they spent less than us, they have other bills. They are in the CL ev ery year and spend less than us, go figure it out you dumb muvfuck.

Hence the l;ocals being very pissed off, apart from the deluded ones

[General Dryness]

No not at all. Why do you ask?

 

Why was Maj banned? Did he upset a few of the hard core gobshites?

 

Shocking state of affairs getting fucked off for being a little outspoken.

 

Because we're far, far less tolerant (i.e. zero, and rightly so) of racism than we are of fuckwits. Thats how he lasted as long as he did. No loss.

[WaltonRed]

Missing out on 1st choice targets again

[dennis tooth]

 

After announcing pre-tax loss of £22.3m for the financial year 2001–02, the club formulated plans to reduce their wage bills in order to continue with the stadium work.[39] Investment bank NM Rothschild and Sons was appointed to examine the financial situation at the club and advise whether it was feasible for Arsenal to move on with construction at the end of March 2003.[40] Although Arsenal secured a £260 million loan from a group of banks led by the Royal Bank of Scotland in April 2003, the club suspended work on Ashburton Grove citing in a statement, "We have experienced a number of delays in arrangements for our new stadium project in recent months across a range of issues. The impact of these delays is that we will now be unable to deliver a stadium opening for the start of the 2005–06 season."[37][41] The cost of building the stadium, forecasted at £400 million, had risen by a £100 million during that period.[42] To combat the financial difficulties, Arsenal throughout the summer of 2003 gave fans the opportunity to register their interest in a relaunched bond scheme via the club website.[

Finance and naming[edit]

 

Financing for the project proved difficult as Arsenal was not granted any public subsidy by the government. The club therefore sought other ways to generate income, namely by adopting a policy of buying football players for a low transfer fee and selling high as well as agreeing sponsorship deals.

Emirates Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[s(k)aturation]

You are aptly usernamed, Dennis.

Your posts are always a bit long, (in the) Tooth.

Carry on.

[s(k)aturation]

Because we're far, far less tolerant (i.e. zero, and rightly so) of racism than we are of fuckwits. Thats how he lasted as long as he did. No loss.

 

Let's be honest, General, we weren't being very tolerant of that either.

 

*writes the fuckwit posting for a 4000th time*

[General Dryness]

Let's be honest, General, we weren't being very tolerant of that either.

 

*writes the fuckwit posting for a 4000th time*

 

Don't be so hard on yourself lad. You haven't tested the water with a bit of racism yet.

[s(k)aturation]

I wish I had a dollar for every time I was called a wog at school.

I'd have been laughing all the way to the bank.