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Police are cunts


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Fucking austerity. It was mentioned in a C4 report the other week, that the civil nuclear police were accepting all sorts of dross who wanted firearms training and a route into the police proper.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/07/austerity-hit-police-ability-tackle-violence-against-women-say-ex-officers

 



Austerity hit police’s ability to tackle violence against women, say ex-officers
Former senior figures call for ‘Stephen Lawrence moment’ to overhaul forces in England and Wales

 

Systematic underfunding of the police in England and Wales during 10 years of austerity “severely diminished” officers’ ability to recognise and target criminals who attack women and girls, according to former senior police figures.

They called for a “Stephen Lawrence moment” of transformation in the service and a full judge-led inquiry to restore faith in policing.

Dal Babu, a former chief superintendent with the Metropolitan police who retired in 2013, said more than a decade of austerity had dealt “a massive body blow” to the police and hampered their ability to tackle male violence against women and girls.

“Resources have never been pulled in such a dramatic way as they have been in the last 10 years – and people want to relinquish responsibility, but this happened on the Lib Dem watch, and the Conservative watch,” he said, referring partly to the coalition government in power from 2010 to 2015.

According to analysis by the police researcher Gavin Hales, published by the Police Foundation, after nine years of austerity in March 2019 the 43 territorial police forces in England and Wales had reduced their total number of police officers by 16% (from 143,734 to 123,170), police staff by 19% (from 79,596 to 64,411) and community support officers by 42% (from 16,507 to 9,565). An estimated 400 to 600 police stations were closed or sold off.

Babu said that while an additional 20,000 police officers had been promised by the current government, civilian staff supporting officers to analyse trends and data were not getting a similar boost.

“Effectively, in the last 10 to 11 years you’ve had police officers taken off the street, poorly trained, not necessarily with the right skills, then trying to do the job of professional analysts and intelligence experts,” he said.

Betsy Stanko, an academic who worked in the Met for 11 years, setting up its social science research unit, said that while many police officers were “desperately trying to do a good job investigating violence to women”, it was time for policing to recognise the scale of the crisis and called for a publicly consulted roadmap to transform the organisation.

“The systematic underfunding of policing over the past 10 years has resulted in cuts particularly to the policing of violence against women and girls,” she said. “The specialist investigative skills identifying patterns of offending have been severely diminished through austerity. Crimes of violence against women and girls need police officers who have specialist skills and knowledge about offenders – underfunding undermines good policing and demoralises good police officers.”

Babu said the home secretary, Priti Patel, risked “tinkering around the edges” after announcing an investigation to examine why the former Met police officer Wayne Couzens, who was last week given a whole-life sentence for the murder of Sarah Everard, had not been identified as a sexually aggressive predator. He added his voice to calls for a judge-led public inquiry into wider issues of sexism and women’s access to justice.

“Shockingly, there is not a single person who I meet who does not know a woman who has been the victim of some kind of abuse. That is absolutely appalling,” he said. “We need a Stephen Lawrence moment here, where we acknowledge the way that we’re failing women and young girls. We need a proper inquiry that looks at the wider criminal justice issues and addresses how you make a real change as opposed to tinkering at the edges.”

The prime minister, Boris Johnson, has rejected calls for an immediate public inquiry.

Victor Olisa, formerly the Met’s most senior black officer and now a criminologist and lecturer, said there had been a “deafening silence” from police leaders about how they would tackle the failure to address crimes against women and girls.

“One of the significant worries about this set of incidents, with Sarah’s tragic murder being the centre of that, is the silence from the chief officers across the country,” he said.

“I’ve heard sorry, I’ve heard that Couzens let us down – but as a public institution, we haven’t heard what the police are going to do about it.”

He accused the Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, of being slow to reassure the public that action was being taken, adding that the six months between Couzens’ admission of guilt and his sentencing should have been enough time to create a plan of action. The Met has announced an independent inquiry and said it would publish a strategy for tackling violence against women and girls soon.

“They need to reassure us that they’re doing something, that they have got a grip, that they have got a plan – they need to tell us they see a different future,” said Olisa.

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7 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Fucking austerity. It was mentioned in a C4 report the other week, that the civil nuclear police were accepting all sorts of dross who wanted firearms training and a route into the police proper.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/07/austerity-hit-police-ability-tackle-violence-against-women-say-ex-officers

 

 

 


One of the big cuts in numbers came on detective/inspector/old head level as they were the least ‘cost efficient’ meaning you removed a whole level of authority, control and experience.

 

These were not replaced and will take time to come through again if numbers are allowed to grow.

 

Secondary impact of austerity.

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2 hours ago, Captain Willard said:

I worked in Liverpool in the 1990s auditing the Council. Not great money but interesting work (relative to auditing elsewhere). One of my equally badly paid colleagues was married to a junior detective in the drugs squad who’d retired at 45 and they lived in a big fuck off house on the Wirral. Never occurred to me to ask how could they afford it but with hindsight I’ve got my suspicions. 

He thinks you took backhanders from your work in the city and avoided paying any tax. 

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21 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Yes, the money is rubbish. Shift work fucks you up and takes years off your life (there’s a thread on it here somewhere), working with the dregs of society is shit, they aren’t trained to deal with lots of the mental health jobs they have to deal with. Etc etc. 

They are though, they're just as trained as many other sectors, many officers just choose not to put that training into practice. 

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9 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Not all police are cunts. Some are, without a doubt and they get far more attention than the majority who aren't. Training needs improving, particularly in diffusion not the physical side. 

I think it's also a culture where covering each other's back is more important than rooting out the cunts. That makes for fertile ground for shitty behaviour.

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40 minutes ago, melons said:

They are though, they're just as trained as many other sectors, many officers just choose not to put that training into practice. 

That’s not true from what my other half tells me. Especially as - at least in her area - the crisis and mental health teams are severely under resourced and (as a result) practically absent.

 

many faults with the police, one of which is their lack of training in many areas.

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15 minutes ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

That’s not true from what my other half tells me. Especially as - at least in her area - the crisis and mental health teams are severely under resourced and (as a result) practically absent.

 

many faults with the police, one of which is their lack of training in many areas.

Mental health funding has been absolutely obliterated.

Mentioned it in another thread.

The police have to pick this up which isnt really their job.

I think a lot of people with mental health issues end up in cells as their is no space for them anywhere else.

Thank you mr cameron.

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52 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Mental health funding has been absolutely obliterated.

Mentioned it in another thread.

The police have to pick this up which isnt really their job.

I think a lot of people with mental health issues end up in cells as their is no space for them anywhere else.

Thank you mr cameron.

It started a long time before Cameron. This all goes back to the Thatcher administration,yet again. Day centres,mental health units,a lot were the first things sacrificed to pay for tax cunts for the rich while the country was on its knees except for the City of London.

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10 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

It started a long time before Cameron. This all goes back to the Thatcher administration,yet again. Day centres,mental health units,a lot were the first things sacrificed to pay for tax cunts for the rich while the country was on its knees except for the City of London.

*tax cuts* But probably not far off.

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On 07/10/2021 at 20:04, Rico1304 said:

Ok, so is the training they receive adequate?  

I work in the third sector, i deal with MH crisis on a regular basis, their training options are actually a whole level above mine. I sit on LITs regularly and hear of what opportunities are out there in terms of training support. 

On 07/10/2021 at 20:34, Bob Spunkmouse said:

That’s not true from what my other half tells me. Especially as - at least in her area - the crisis and mental health teams are severely under resourced and (as a result) practically absent.

 

many faults with the police, one of which is their lack of training in many areas.

All MH services are underfunded. My LHB has literally cushioned every area to have an ICAN centre which if it's close to an acute facility has just become a dumping ground for those that don't meet admissions to inpatient treatment. 

 

The training ops are there, it's that they're not mandatory and they're often expected to complete things in their own time. I've just taken on a level 4 to brush up on some of my skills, it's below my degree level and not directly beneficial to my role because i've already got a level 6 in an area more suited to those i engage with more at board level - as a result i won't get the paid time to do this, but it will absolutely benefit everyone i engage with on the days i'm working front line.   

 

I doubt many officers even hold a MH first aid, which is pretty much funded in all areas.  

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2 hours ago, melons said:

I work in the third sector, i deal with MH crisis on a regular basis, their training options are actually a whole level above mine. I sit on LITs regularly and hear of what opportunities are out there in terms of training support. 

All MH services are underfunded. My LHB has literally cushioned every area to have an ICAN centre which if it's close to an acute facility has just become a dumping ground for those that don't meet admissions to inpatient treatment. 

 

The training ops are there, it's that they're not mandatory and they're often expected to complete things in their own time. I've just taken on a level 4 to brush up on some of my skills, it's below my degree level and not directly beneficial to my role because i've already got a level 6 in an area more suited to those i engage with more at board level - as a result i won't get the paid time to do this, but it will absolutely benefit everyone i engage with on the days i'm working front line.   

 

I doubt many officers even hold a MH first aid, which is pretty much funded in all areas.  

You didn’t answer the question. 

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