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Rico seems in a very difficult place regarding people of different sexual perversions. Almost like he's been hurt, a hurt that that still wounds, maybe a night that he can't let go, an encounter he needs to get off his chest and come to terms with but can't, a period in his life that he dare not let out into the light however much it hounds him,

 

 

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8 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

Again, I never said they were, my point was in relation to the post by Anubis, I would have thought the point I was making was obvious, that these names are extremely common and nobody or certainly the vast majority would not think that the recipients of these names are capable of atrocities. 

I know where you’re coming from - and while I don’t know anyone to have had that nickname, obviously there have been versions of.

 

there’s a couple of points to be made though… 1, we need to do better and not normalise, accept and effectively condone creepy (at best) behaviour towards women that with certainty causes offence, upset and concern.

 

but 2, and more pertinent to this particular incident, is that there is a higher standard that police officers should be held to. Nobody is forced to be a police officer so you know if that’s what you want to do/be there are responsibilities that accompany it, and so those people should be even less accepting of this shit - although they’re clearly institutionally not. Calling someone The Rapist is even less acceptable when in the police, not least because those offices may have to inform someone’s parents their daughter has been raped the next day, or may have to investigate or interview or arrest or search someone for the crime of rape, or may have to Support someone who has been a victim of rape, and that can’t be done In the same breath.

 

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1 hour ago, rb14 said:

I was questioning @Arniepie who said "There is clearly a massive issue there." in regard to a statistic that "a woman is murdered every 3 days in this country". I'm really not sure why you're asking me the questions above. In fact, I'm not really sure why your point is aimed at me. 

 

As someone far brighter than I, wrote eloquently, "To see Couzens as symbolic of men is as low and prejudiced as it would be to see Dennis Nilsen as typical of homosexuals or Salman Abedi as representative of all Muslims." 

I’m not sure I’ve seen many (any?) suggesting Couzens is symbolic of men.
 

this is about many things though isn’t it, and while his act is the catalyst for such anger and outrage because it was so heinous and such a breaking of a bond of trust and such a misuse of power, it’s not that a police officer raped and killed a woman that this discussion is happening.

 

it’s that a police officer raped and killed a woman,

its that the police foster a culture of misogyny and sexism, 

it’s that men as a whole fail to treat women

with sufficient respect,

it’s that too many women live in fear,

It’s that in almost any part of their life, too many women will have to overcome some form of sexism, misogyny, harassment or assault.

 

it’s that society condones it, until it’s to a level that’s heinous.

 

I won’t give details, but earlier this year a woman whistle-blew about male officers sharing offensive content on Team WhatsApp group - much like the one couzens and his pals had, it seems. They shared openly sexist, racist and in other way offensive stuff. The whistleblower was told there was nothing could be done, so took it to the federation, who said there was something that could be done. A non official slap on the wrist for two officers involved, and a first written warning for the ring leader.

 

that fella most likely won’t go onto rape and murder a woman - probably - but the whistleblower was the one that had to change departments, because well you know it’s a bit awkward now.

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7 hours ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

I’m not sure I’ve seen many (any?) suggesting Couzens is symbolic of men.
 

this is about many things though isn’t it, and while his act is the catalyst for such anger and outrage because it was so heinous and such a breaking of a bond of trust and such a misuse of power, it’s not that a police officer raped and killed a woman that this discussion is happening.

 

it’s that a police officer raped and killed a woman,

its that the police foster a culture of misogyny and sexism, 

it’s that men as a whole fail to treat women

with sufficient respect,

it’s that too many women live in fear,

It’s that in almost any part of their life, too many women will have to overcome some form of sexism, misogyny, harassment or assault.

 

it’s that society condones it, until it’s to a level that’s heinous.

 

I won’t give details, but earlier this year a woman whistle-blew about male officers sharing offensive content on Team WhatsApp group - much like the one couzens and his pals had, it seems. They shared openly sexist, racist and in other way offensive stuff. The whistleblower was told there was nothing could be done, so took it to the federation, who said there was something that could be done. A non official slap on the wrist for two officers involved, and a first written warning for the ring leader.

 

that fella most likely won’t go onto rape and murder a woman - probably - but the whistleblower was the one that had to change departments, because well you know it’s a bit awkward now.

Whistleblowers always suffer more than the perpetrators in any institution.

Given their attitude towards female colleagues how can anyone have trust in the police. It seems only racist bullies are selected for the police and their innate cuntishness is then developed to a higher degree during training.

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13 minutes ago, Evelyn Tentions said:

Whistleblowers always suffer more than the perpetrators in any institution.

Given their attitude towards female colleagues how can anyone have trust in the police. It seems only racist bullies are selected for the police and their innate cuntishness is then developed to a higher degree during training.

We have someone staying with us this morning. That wasn’t the case when we went to be at 11:30, but just as we settled my other half saw two recent missed called from a friend/colleague who has been in and out of a relationship with another copper, who is abusive towards her and openly brags about cheating on her to his friends at work.

 

in any walk of life, he’s a cunt, but in the police he’s a particularly worrying and dangerous cunt. Of course, he’s very well liked and “one of the lads”.

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47 minutes ago, Bob Spunkmouse said:

We have someone staying with us this morning. That wasn’t the case when we went to be at 11:30, but just as we settled my other half saw two recent missed called from a friend/colleague who has been in and out of a relationship with another copper, who is abusive towards her and openly brags about cheating on her to his friends at work.

 

in any walk of life, he’s a cunt, but in the police he’s a particularly worrying and dangerous cunt. Of course, he’s very well liked and “one of the lads”.

One for the instant cunt identifiers, that, "one of the lads".

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Being a copper does create a very weird dynamic with their colleagues IMO.  They work weird hours, they see all kinds of horrible shit, deal with the worse of society and a whole swathe of society think they are twats before they’ve interacted with them. It’s not an easy job by any stretch and I’m generally a supporter but there’s obviously a massive problem that needs sorting.  
 

There’s a story today that he took a prostitute to a party and had another turn up a station demanding cash from him.  How that was allowed to happen is beyond me.  
 

Regular viewers will know my ex was a copper in collyhurst in Manchester, she tried to get in CID for a bit and was seconded in.  At a booze up the sergeant left for half an hour to shag a hooker. It was just laughed off.  Everyone knew but no one reported him.   

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2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Being a copper does create a very weird dynamic with their colleagues IMO.  They work weird hours, they see all kinds of horrible shit, deal with the worse of society and a whole swathe of society think they are twats before they’ve interacted with them. It’s not an easy job by any stretch and I’m generally a supporter but there’s obviously a massive problem that needs sorting.  
 

There’s a story today that he took a prostitute to a party and had another turn up a station demanding cash from him.  How that was allowed to happen is beyond me.  
 

Regular viewers will know my ex was a copper in collyhurst in Manchester, she tried to get in CID for a bit and was seconded in.  At a booze up the sergeant left for half an hour to shag a hooker. It was just laughed off.  Everyone knew but no one reported him.   

I agree completely with that, especially the first bit, and I think it’s fair that they need to be given some slack to allow a space for a dark humour that helps them to support each other through some horrible stuff, and more than would be acceptable in another workplace, but there’s a clearly drawn line in doing that isn’t there, and too much stuff tayt is past that line just gets accepted or brushed under the carpet.

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15 hours ago, Arniepie said:

I remember during the 1st lockdown there was a news item about domestic abuse cases rocketing. 

The fact that this was often the 3rd or 4th story quite frankly, speaks volumes.

3 women a week commit suicide as a direct result of DV. Thats not the women that are killed, thats those that end the suffering themselves. There are the women killed on top of that figure. 

 

The thing is, we're talking about the far end of the spectrum here, we're talking about rape and murder. We're not talking about being felt up, we're not talking about comments made about our appearance, we're not talking about the glass ceiling. 

 

This is the far end of the spectrum, it's all the stuff before that that are warning signs. It's one thing to have a bit of banter. Mr Melons regularly piss takes my driving skills and the damage it does to the cars, the return fuck you or i'll make sure i'll do proper damage next time usually suffices. Could my sister say that to her husband without getting a kicking, no she couldn't. 

12 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

It would be interesting to know if you’d be happy for this cunt to spend his life sentence in a womens prison, if he so decided.   

I'd have no issue with it, he's going to be in a padded isolation cell anyway. He won't be allowed to integrate with other inmates. It doesn't matter where he goes so long as he can't hurt anyone ever again. 

11 hours ago, rb14 said:

I was questioning @Arniepie who said "There is clearly a massive issue there." in regard to a statistic that "a woman is murdered every 3 days in this country". I'm really not sure why you're asking me the questions above. In fact, I'm not really sure why your point is aimed at me. 

 

As someone far brighter than I, wrote eloquently, "To see Couzens as symbolic of men is as low and prejudiced as it would be to see Dennis Nilsen as typical of homosexuals or Salman Abedi as representative of all Muslims." 

 

You mentioned the other 75% as though no-one was speaking out for them. It also insinuates that there isn't a massive issue. The issue is huge, like a massive beacon going off all around forever, it's just ignored.  

 

No-one for one second thinks it's all men. It is more than a single man though, it's more than a handful of men. I don't know the actual stats, but i'd go as far to say it's common practice in many men to see women as the inferior. you brought up Salman Abedi, we can go down the route of religious practices that place women on the open field for abuse practices from other cultures.... 

 






 

Someone earlier up mentioned the objectifying of women in porn, again you've got to look at the context - does that mean you look at women in porn and think they're only there for your gratification, that they don't exist for anything else or any other purpose? No, because you're not that dense. You know they've totally got a life outside of your 7 minute clip. To which you've obviously finished off twice.  

 

No-one is saying its all men, we know its not. That doesn't stop the issues though, it doesn't stop us being told to not run with our earphones it (how many men are told this), it doesn't stop us being weary of getting in taxis alone (do men get that fear), it doesn't stop us carrying our car keys a certain way in certain areas (were men told to do that?), it doesn't stop us making sure we park in well lit areas or even looking for areas with that CCTV (other than for reasons of your car being damaged does that cross your mind). That heightened state of fear is not media brought out, it's experience for more women than it isn't. As i mentioned above this is the extreme end, society needs to start addressing it early doors. Don't be the arse in front of our sons, raise our daughters with the strength they need to be able to challenge or walk away, when work mates think certain things are funny and it's not, call them out on it. 

 

In the early days physically meeting many of you lot actually restored much of my faith in men. Think about it, my knowledge of men up to the age of 30, not younger, but 30. Uncles abusing their sisters and nieces, physically and sexually. Personally being held up by the neck and thrown across a room because i dared to change my surname to my stepdads. Being made to go out and do manual work for staying out past whatever time i was expected to be in - not massively I'm talking like 30 minutes. That wasn't just gardening/chopping wood etc, that was going out on a boat puling up lobster pots between vomiting over the other side of the deck. Being called a cunt for not taking a cheating husband back after he'd cheated on more than one occasion, telling me i'm damaging my kids for it, moreover them all supporting him and actually telling him how to maliciously get back at me. Being spat on and scream. This was my normal. It's never going to be my childrens normal. It shouldn't be anyones normal. 

 

I shrug all this off that my family are just nuts. It's not just males in my so called family though. If you sit a group of women down they can list reams of abuse from men. 

 

 

 

And please, please don't think I'm not acknowledging female on male domestic violence. That totally happens, that is also to be condemned.  

 

 

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This defensive reflex that "they're not all rapists and murderers" is missing the point. It's like having a massive pile of shit in your front garden with one poisonous weed growing out of it; your attention isn't drawn to the shit until someone gets hurt by the poisonous weed, but once you realise there's a big pile of shit there, you've got a duty to do something about it.

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12 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

This defensive reflex that "they're not all rapists and murderers" is missing the point. It's like having a massive pile of shit in your front garden with one poisonous weed growing out of it; your attention isn't drawn to the shit until someone gets hurt by the poisonous weed, but once you realise there's a big pile of shit there, you've got a duty to do something about it.

There you go, talking crap again

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1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Being a copper does create a very weird dynamic with their colleagues IMO.  They work weird hours, they see all kinds of horrible shit, deal with the worse of society and a whole swathe of society think they are twats before they’ve interacted with them. It’s not an easy job by any stretch and I’m generally a supporter but there’s obviously a massive problem that needs sorting.  

I know a fair few coppers and a fair few paramedics, most of our firemen are volunteers. They all see shit. 

 

That pre judged rhetoric is exactly the reason that those with it should all be binned off. That or this new degree level should have shit loads of social care elements added to the course. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Padded isolation cell?  This isn’t Silence of the Lambs. 

You're telling me he won't be classed as a high risk prisoner? You're saying he'll be put on a general block with everyone else? Yeah, whatever. 

My sister beat up a paedophile, it was a violent act, she wasn't put in a low security prison until they fully knew her 4ft 11½ stature wasn't a risk to everyone else. She also wasn't a copper, so it was pretty reasonable to assume there wouldn't be the world and their wife wanting to have a chance at her. 

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22 minutes ago, melons said:

3 women a week commit suicide as a direct result of DV. Thats not the women that are killed, thats those that end the suffering themselves. 

 

The thing is, we're talking about the far end of the spectrum here, we're talking about rape and murder. We're not talking about being felt up, we're not talking about comments made about our appearance, we're not talking about the glass ceiling. 

 

This is the far end of the spectrum, it's all the stuff before that that are warning signs. It's one thing to have a bit of banter. Mr Melons regularly piss takes my driving skills and the damage it does to the cars, the return fuck you or i'll make sure i'll do proper damage next time usually suffices. Could my sister say that to her husband without getting a kicking, no she couldn't. 

I'd have no issue with it, he's going to be in a padded isolation cell anyway. He won't be allowed to integrate with other inmates. It doesn't matter where he goes so long as he can't hurt anyone ever again. 

 

You mentioned the other 75% as though no-one was speaking out for them. It also insinuates that there isn't a massive issue. The issue is huge, like a massive beacon going off all around forever, it's just ignored.  

 

No-one for one second thinks it's all men. It is more than a single man though, it's more than a handful of men. I don't know the actual stats, but i'd go as far to say it's common practice in many men to see women as the inferior. you brought up Salman Abedi, we can go down the route of religious practices that place women on the open field for abuse practices from other cultures.... 

 






 

Someone earlier up mentioned the objectifying of women in porn, again you've got to look at the context - does that mean you look at women in porn and think they're only there for your gratification, that they don't exist for anything else or any other purpose? No, because you're not that dense. You know they've totally got a life outside of your 7 minute clip. To which you've obviously finished off twice.  

 

No-one is saying its all men, we know its not. That doesn't stop the issues though, it doesn't stop us being told to not run with our earphones it (how many men are told this), it doesn't stop us being weary of getting in taxis alone (do men get that fear), it doesn't stop us carrying our car keys a certain way in certain areas (were men told to do that?), it doesn't stop us making sure we park in well lit areas or even looking for areas with that CCTV (other than for reasons of your car being damaged does that cross your mind). That heightened state of fear is not media brought out, it's experience for more women than it isn't. As i mentioned above this is the extreme end, society needs to start addressing it early doors. Don't be the arse in front of our sons, raise our daughters with the strength they need to be able to challenge or walk away, when work mates think certain things are funny and it's not, call them out on it. 

 

In the early days physically meeting many of you lot actually restored much of my faith in men. Think about it, my knowledge of men up to the age of 30, not younger, but 30. Uncles abusing their sisters and nieces, physically and sexually. Personally being held up by the neck and thrown across a room because i dared to change my surname to my stepdads. Being made to go out and do manual work for staying out past whatever time i was expected to be in - not massively I'm talking like 30 minutes. That wasn't just gardening/chopping wood etc, that was going out on a boat puling up lobster pots between vomiting over the other side of the deck. Being called a cunt for not taking a cheating husband back after he'd cheated on more than one occasion, telling me i'm damaging my kids for it, moreover them all supporting him and actually telling him how to maliciously get back at me. Being spat on and scream. This was my normal. It's never going to be my childrens normal. It shouldn't be anyones normal. 

 

I shrug all this off that my family are just nuts. It's not just males in my so called family though. If you sit a group of women down they can list reams of abuse from men. 

 

 

 

And please, please don't think I'm not acknowledging female on male domestic violence. That totally happens, that is also to be condemned.  

 

 

I think the most shocking aspect was the fact that it was almost buried away and not really highlighted.

I do think it's an issue that is very often brushed under the carpet. 

There was a woman on r4 who said the issue is almost structural and issues such as how boys are taught to view woman as they froe up to the appalling conviction rates of rape and the ordeal women have to go through if and when, it gets it court.

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1 minute ago, melons said:

I know a fair few coppers and a fair few paramedics, most of our firemen are volunteers. They all see shit. 

 

That pre judged rhetoric is exactly the reason that those with it should all be binned off. That or this new degree level should have shit loads of social care elements added to the course. 

 

 

You're telling me he won't be classed as a high risk prisoner? You're saying he'll be put on a general block with everyone else? Yeah, whatever. 

My sister beat up a paedophile, it was a violent act, she wasn't put in a low security prison until they fully knew her 4ft 11½ stature wasn't a risk to everyone else. She also wasn't a copper, so it was pretty reasonable to assume there wouldn't be the world and their wife wanting to have a chance at her. 

I’m telling you nothing.  You seem to be reading things into my posts to I won’t be replying any more.  

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3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I’m telling you nothing.  You seem to be reading things into my posts to I won’t be replying any more.  

I'm reading what you're putting, excuses. There is no excuse for certain behaviours. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I think the most shocking aspect was the fact that it was almost buried away and not really highlighted.

I do think it's an issue that is very often brushed under the carpet. 

There was a woman on r4 who said the issue is almost structural and issues such as how boys are taught to view woman as they froe up to the appalling conviction rates of rape and the ordeal women have to go through if and when, it gets it court.

 

I do hope its changing though, maybe i'm naïve but i look at my kids (all pretty much adults) their peers and those of my friends who're all decent human beings. They know violence isn't big, clever etc. There is also a much stronger cohesion in terms of support mechanisms for each other. It's the establishment that needs to catch up. I don't just mean police, its also the CPS, health, education, social care.  

 

I can't wait to watch Prince Andrew get roasted, the more the untouchables are held to account, the stronger the womens access to justice may be.  


 

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