Summer 2017 Transfer Thread

[SlugTrail]

Not saying he's crap but never quite seen what the fuss is about with the lad,

Mind you I have never though Henderson was much of a player even when fit, Still don't

You are silverlining and I claim my £5

[El Rojo]

Not saying he's crap but never quite seen what the fuss is about with the lad,

Mind you I have never though Henderson was much of a player even when fit, Still don't

Not Hendo's fault that you don't appreciate world class pointing.

[Barrington Womble]

Could he at right back? My Arsenal supporting mate reckons he could for a front-foot team.

He finished the season at right wing back didn't he? Our full backs play as far up the pitch as wing backs anyway. The only thing that would worry me with that, is clyne normally wins his one on one battles, it's probably his best strength. I'd be reluctant to lose that and I'm not convinced AOC would have that or any real defensive aspect to his play.

[magicrat]

You are silverlining and I claim my £5

 

Mr Ready Salted to you and you have won a months subscription to the S*n, Save the tokens and my mate Rupe will send you a crispy fiver always assuming Jerry doesn't finish off the old coffin dodger off in the meantime

[Cardie]

Wonder who else is impacted by this 'new premier league rule'.

The rules been in place for a number of years, not sure why the short term cost control provisions are suddenly becoming an issue and being described as new.

[Cardie]

Paulie D posted in the MF months ago that Chamberlain had agreed terms with us.

I think it's the prefixing of MF that makes it so obvious.

[Cardie]

If we'd have held what we had more often and been just a little more clinical in front of goal, we'd have had a shout at the league - we'd have certainly finished ahead of spurs.

Our defensive record with last years first choice back 4 was good enough, problem came when we replaced one of them and the numbers spiked.

 

We don't neccersairily need a 60 million pound defender to succeed just a good defender (or two) who won't miss many games and can compliment Matip or Lovren

[Cardie]

I am pretty sure these rules came with each tv deal. But I am not sure they're quite as straight forward as you can't spend more than £xm. I seem to remember it was something like you can't spend more than that amount of the TV deal, so if you want to find from other revenues, that's fine. My guess is maybe they run on the limit and perhaps lack of CL money is fucking them, so they need to account for it coming out of PL TV money?

The rule only kicks in if you spend over 67 million and counts wages, bonuses and any image rights for players.

 

Clubs can comply with two different rules, either

 

A) can't increase wage bill by more than 7 million from previous season unless the increase is paid for by own revenue (Uefa prize money, profit from player sales, sponsorship or commercial deals. It excludes money from the TV deal).

 

B ) clubs cannot increase wages by more than 19 million from the 12/13 year, presumably 13/14 for this coming season. Clubs can exceed that figure on the same terms as above.

 

Arsenal are presumably cutting back to absorb the loss in CL prize money and allow themselves room for renewals/new signings.

[3 Stacks]

Our defensive record with last years first choice back 4 was good enough, problem came when we replaced one of them and the numbers spiked.

 

We don't neccersairily need a 60 million pound defender to succeed just a good defender (or two) who won't miss many games and can compliment Matip or Lovren

 

Agree with this. As much as I don't like Lovren, we've still managed to from statistically good partnerships with him alongside both Matip and Sakho. What we need to avoid above all is for Klavan to have to play meaningful matches. 

 

We just need someone who is Champions League quality and we defo don't need to pay 60m for that, even in this market. If we sign someone who is good enough, he'll probably end up replacing Lovren in the starting eleven anyways. 

[General Dryness]

Precisely, Sturridge should never be used as a benchmark for good health.  He sets the mark for money earned vs work done mind you, 

 

Winston Bogarde was way ahead of him on that score.

[Kevin D]

If we signed Chamberlain for 25m, that would fall well within our usual self-destruction summer.

 

However, if it stops us buying Keita or the CM Boss we have needed for 7 years, then, yeah, I would be forced to concede that our transfer decisions have, once again, left me in a state of bewilderment.

[Kevin D]

I am not a young man.

 

This is not my first dance.

 

Not my first do-si-do.

 

Not my first quienceanera.

 

And even still it would amaze me.

[Paulie Dangerously]

Paulie D is well worth the member money.

 

Paulie, any substance in the the Thiago Silva stuff?

None

Paulie D posted in the MF months ago that Chamberlain had agreed terms with us.

I took it with a pinch of salt at the time when I heard it but looks like it was right

[Carvalho Diablo]

I am not a young man.

 

This is not my first dance.

 

Not my first do-si-do.

 

Not my first quienceanera.

 

And even still it would amaze me.

Kilgore Trout ?

[Lee909]

 

 

However, if it stops us buying Keita or the CM Boss we have needed for 7 years, then, yeah, I would be forced to concede that our transfer decisions have, once again, left me in a state of bewilderment.

Dont think we are signing Keita either way. Or a specialist DM if thats what you mean by midfield boss

[Kevin D]

 

Dont think we are signing Keita either way. Or a specialist DM if thats what you mean by midfield boss

We have one of the best managers of his generation. He also happens to be atop a worldwide scouting network.

 

Don't think its too much to ask for a black, 6'2, defensive midfielder.

[Barrington Womble]

Our defensive record with last years first choice back 4 was good enough, problem came when we replaced one of them and the numbers spiked.

 

We don't neccersairily need a 60 million pound defender to succeed just a good defender (or two) who won't miss many games and can compliment Matip or Lovren

I agree we don't need a 60m centre back. I think that's madness. Although I think defending is more than just the back 4 and our midfield especially has to shoulder some of the blame for the way we've defended at times. That's why I think introducing AOC as a right back would have an adverse effect on our defending when in truth we need to tighten up in general.

The rule only kicks in if you spend over 67 million and counts wages, bonuses and any image rights for players.

 

Clubs can comply with two different rules, either

 

A) can't increase wage bill by more than 7 million from previous season unless the increase is paid for by own revenue (Uefa prize money, profit from player sales, sponsorship or commercial deals. It excludes money from the TV deal).

 

B ) clubs cannot increase wages by more than 19 million from the 12/13 year, presumably 13/14 for this coming season. Clubs can exceed that figure on the same terms as above.

 

Arsenal are presumably cutting back to absorb the loss in CL prize money and allow themselves room for renewals/new signings.

Thanks for the info. I think I'm finding myself agreeing with you twice. I need a drink.

[Winston Wolf]

Kilgore Trout ?

 

I'm re-reading Slaughterhouse 5 at the moment.

[Kevin D]

I'm re-reading Slaughterhouse 5 at the moment.

I wrote my 6th year Advanced Higher dissertation on dystopian fiction, focusing on Slaughter house 5 and 1984.

 

Let me tell you, as smug as I am on the forum, I am much worse over 3,000 words.

[Dr Nowt]

I'm re-reading Slaughterhouse 5 at the moment.

Lent a lad at college mine and he's currently hoovering up anything he can read by Vonnegut, including the excellent opening chapter of Breakast of Champions.

[YNWAViking]

60M for VVD is pushing it imo. He might be the best CD in the PL, but if we can sign someone that is 80-90 % as good as VVD for 25-35M I'd rather see us do that deal. We're not really a club that can afford spunking out 60M for a CD. Its just too much money for a central defender. Lets spend the left-over money on a decent central midfielder - or striker - instead.

[Jay86]

I'm willing to give Clyne the benefit of the doubt this season, he was extra shit after Christmas and really really struggled every move broke down as soon as he got the ball in an attacking area. He has however played more than anyone since Klopps been here and was probably highly fatigued, we need TAA to kick on this season and be an effective backup who we can use more or we need to sign an adequate backup for Clyne to give him a break now and again to get the best out of him, anyone saying sign Oxlade-Chamberlain to play right back is crazy, id like us to sign him but to be a squad player covering CM, LW and RW not as a full back.

[Paul]

60M for VVD is pushing it imo. He might be the best CD in the PL, but if we can sign someone that is 80-90 % as good as VVD for 25-35M I'd rather see us do that deal. We're not really a club that can afford spunking out 60M for a CD. Its just too much money for a central defender. Lets spend the left-over money on a decent central midfielder - or striker - instead.

It's the modern equivalent of The Mancs signing Ferdinand for £30m but I think he has the potential to be better.

[Cardie]

It's the modern equivalent of The Mancs signing Ferdinand for £30m but I think he has the potential to be better.

 

Difference being Utd were buying from a position of strength and didn't have many weaknesses in the squad let alone the first team.

[Jay86]

It's the modern equivalent of The Mancs signing Ferdinand for £30m but I think he has the potential to be better.

How old was Ferdinand when Utd signed him?

 

I'm not sure VVD has the potential to be better, to be fair to Ferdinand he was an exceptional defender, he had the lot.