Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

The liberal elite are terrified brexit will result in a truly socialist government. It's fucking great.

[Rico1304]

I can’t believe anyone with half a brain can’t see what this “vote on the final deal” for what it is. If there would be a referendum on the final deal then all the EU do is give the UK a terrible deal knowing that it would at worst would be rejected by the UK. Then what happens? Let’s go back to the EU saying we still want an end to free movement but we want a better deal and they laugh their tits off and the shit just goes on and on and on.

 

The politicians calling for a referendum on the final deal are basically trying to just stop Brexit from happening. That’s the type of politicians we have here. Everything is smoke and mirrors to cover up what they’re actually trying to do. The country voted for Brexit and both major party’s know it was down to immigration and freedom of movement. It’s the sticking point and whoever blinks first and is willing to compromise on it is going to end up losing a lot of votes. Easily enough to cost them an election.

 

The majority might favour another referendum on the deal but they don’t favour another referendum on leaving altogether. They just want it done without being a terrible deal. Unfortunately the country is full of idiots on both sides of the fence and they don’t see the ramifications of what having a vote on the final deal would bring.

We aren’t getting a good deal anyway. Just stop it for now and get the Brexiteers to lay out in detail what and abdhow they are going to deliver. More detail than a lie on the side of a bus. If they can’t do that then it shouldn’t happen.

[Strontium]

I want to know what terrible deal we'd get from the cunning EU if they know there'll be another referendum, that could possibly be more terrible than what is on the table now.

[Boss]

There can only be two possible options in the case of a second referendum - no deal or stay completely. Any other option on the ballot will be subterfuge to separate the voter base.  

[Numero Veinticinco]

There can only be two possible outcomes in the case of a second referendum - no deal or stay completely. Any other option on the ballot will be subterfuge to separate the voter base.

I'd love that chance. No way do we vote leave again.

[Strontium]

There can only be two possible options in the case of a second referendum - no deal or stay completely. Any other option on the ballot will be subterfuge to separate the voter base.

I'd be very surprised if stay was ever an option on a second referendum. The choices are more likely to be to accept or reject whatever deal is on the table.

[Boss]

I'd be very surprised if stay was ever an option on a second referendum. The choices are more likely to be to accept or reject whatever deal is on the table.

 

That'd be a waste of time. It poses more questions than it provides answers for. If it's rejected, do the government go back to the EU and propose another deal? Do we get a say on this new deal? It's too vague and open ended. If a second referendum is granted, the outcome has to be be resolved in the choices.

[The Guest]

There can only be two possible options in the case of a second referendum - no deal or stay completely. Any other option on the ballot will be subterfuge to separate the voter base.

In hindsight that’s what should have been on the ballot for the first referendum. I know I’m reaching here but I honestly think people voted out because of one simple issue. Freedom of movement and the potential unlimited immigration that comes with it. It’s unsustainable.

 

I think the vote would have been exactly the same and I think we’d vote out again given a second referendum. All the talk of how bad the final deal the EU is going to offer is just all still posturing. They’ve got no need to show their hand yet because there’s still talk of a referendum on the final deal etc. If the UK keeps the same position up until the point of agreeing a deal then that is the only way to get the most out of the EU.

[Gnasher]

I'd love that chance. No way do we vote leave again.

Odds? I'd say that's by far the foregone conclusion you suggest.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Odds? I'd say that's by far the foregone conclusion you suggest.

I guess we disagree then. It's been a cluster fuck. I'd be beyond shocked if a no deal Vs stay turned into no deal.

[sir roger]

I'm not sure massive amounts of people will have changed sides , but without being nasty , two years plus of oldies dying and youngsters reaching the correct age would have an effect as well.

[cloggypop]

Do you not think that it describes somebody to a tee?

Woody Allen?

[Denny Crane]

It was only just over a year ago the torys won a general election on no deal is better than a bad deal. Vote for us and get brexit. Brexit means brexit etc.

 

Even if by some chance a second referendum did occur it would be messy. A bit like laying on your back in the shower trying to pee in your mouth, anything can happen and even if you succeed it doesn't make you a winner.

[Numero Veinticinco]

It was only just over a year ago the torys won a general election on no deal is better than a bad deal. Votes for us and get brexit.

 

Even if by some chance a second referendum did occur it would be messy. A bit like laying on your back in the shower trying to pee in your mouth, anything can happen and even if you succeed it doesn't make you a winner.

Hahahaha. What?

 

That's amazing.

[skend04]

It was only just over a year ago the torys won a general election on no deal is better than a bad deal. Vote for us and get brexit. Brexit means brexit etc.

 

Even if by some chance a second referendum did occur it would be messy. A bit like laying on your back in the shower trying to pee in your mouth, anything can happen and even if you succeed it doesn't make you a winner.

They didn't win the election. They lost seats and bunged the DUP a billion quid to prop them up.

 

But conversely I wouldn't want another referendum either. The electorate just can't be trusted not to fuck the country up any further. We're just going to have to live with whatever the politicians come up with.

[lifetime fan]

They didn't win the election. They lost seats and bunged the DUP a billion quid to prop them up.

 

But conversely I wouldn't want another referendum either. The electorate just can't be trusted not to fuck the country up any further. We're just going to have to live with whatever the politicians come up with.

 

 

I hate the tories as much as anyone, but how did they not 'win' the election?

 

They have most MP's and are in government.

[skend04]

I hate the tories as much as anyone, but how did they not 'win' the election?

 

They have most MP's and are in government.

It was a hung parliament, they didn't get the 326 seats needed to win an election. Labour could have governed if talks with the DUP hadn't have held up.

[lifetime fan]

It was a hung parliament, they didn't get the 326 seats needed to win an election. Labour could have governed if talks with the DUP hadn't have held up.

 

Most seats win.

 

Simple as that.

[skend04]

Most seats win.

 

Simple as that.

It isn't, they didn't get past the post. This is the same scenario with the referendum, an almost 50/50 split is somehow portrayed as an overwhelming mandate.

[lifetime fan]

We aren’t going to agree mate.

 

The tories are in power, as much as I fucking hate it they won.

[Gnasher]

I guess we disagree then. It's been a cluster fuck. I'd be beyond shocked if a no deal Vs stay turned into no deal.

It's been a clusterfuck politically but to the man on the street it's been a deserved shake up of the same old same old.

 

People can blame and snigger at the working class from places like the north east etc but they suffered 10 years of pistol whipping austerity under Camernon and Osborne. It would have carried on. The no vote changed the political landscape.

 

The easing of public pay and clampdown on public sector all came about because people had the courage to shake the kaleidoscope.

 

The prospect of a true socialist govt has resulted in the no vote.

 

In the words of Michael Foot on leaving the eu "Don't be afraid"

[Gnasher]

It may be worth remembering when labelli g out voters as 'little inglunders that the Cameron govt helped in the destruction of Libya and Yemen. Peace and love?

[magicrat]

What happens if we have a second referendum and leave win again? Would that be the end of it from the Remainers side? Would they accept the result and move on?

 

There wont be a simple re-run of the last one. If it happens it will be on the terms of exit and have more than 2 options, I can't see that no deal would win but if it happens then there is nowhere for remainers to go, other than overseas which i for one would seriously consider. I have no wish to live under the rule of Johnson , JRM and Bannon. The country can go fuck itself in that event , 

[Moo]

It's been a clusterfuck politically but to the man on the street it's been a deserved shake up of the same old same old.

 

People can blame and snigger at the working class from places like the north east etc but they suffered 10 years of pistol whipping austerity under Camernon and Osborne. It would have carried on. The no vote changed the political landscape.

 

The easing of public pay and clampdown on public sector all came about because people had the courage to shake the kaleidoscope.

 

The prospect of a true socialist govt has resulted in the no vote.

 

In the words of Michael Foot on leaving the eu "Don't be afraid"

I didn't hear a single leave voter say it would be a protest vote or a vote to bring down the right wing before the referendum, however I've known a number of them claim it after the event. It's rubbish and comes across as some kind of justification for their naivety, in the cases I've known anyway.

[Strontium]

Far right thugs attack TUC backed socialist bookshop

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Bookmarks in central London, a socialist bookshop and also the TUC’s official bookseller, was attacked on Saturday (4 August) by around a dozen far right supporters.

 

Some carried placards reading “British Bolshevik Cult” and one of them wore a Trump Mask. Books and magazines were ripped and torn, with displays wrecked.

 

A Bookmarks staff member said,

 

“Books on Islamophobia were ridiculed and thrown around. They chanted about Muslims and paedophilia, and called us traitors. While not mentioning Tommy Robinson the links are there to see.”

 

The far right activists also shouted about Corbyn and anti-semitism and then took Abram Leon’s “The Jewish Question” off the shelf holding it aloft as proof of the anti-semitism of the left.

 

The attackers also make threats to return and “show what they can do”.

 

Michael Bradley from Stand up to Racism said:

 

“Luckily no one was hurt this time, but this is a sinister development that indicates the growing confidence of the far right who feel they can attack a bookshop in central London in broad daylight. Attacking a bookshop also exposes their claims to be defenders of free speech as hollow.”

 

 

http://www.standuptoracism.org.uk/press-release-far-right-thugs-attack-tuc-backed-socialist-bookshop/

The cretins actually filmed themselves.