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*Shakes head* Everton again.


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23 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The replies.

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Anyone got a clue how we've benefited from teams being punished at the other end of the league?

Something that involves the Sky 6 and the league wanting them gone for standing up against the Sky 6 or not wanting them to build a new stadium or Heysel/Collina/Clattenberg/John Houlding and Corrupshen.

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11 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

But it's not like the current rules are expiring. If people don't want to change them, they'll stay as they are. But Chelsea, Newcastle and city I would suspect have an eye on playing in Europe. And if they do, they'll need to exist within that sustainability framework which is more severe than the current PL PSR. So it's in their interests to ensure the PL rules are tightened up as much as the UEFA ones are. Or teams who don't play in Europe will have an advantage because the domestic PSR is less severe than the UEFA. 

 

How have you concluded the Uefa rules are tighter? My take is if the PL had matched the Uefa rules domestically Everton and NFFC would have faced a fine instead of a points deduction. This isn't a defence of Everton but highlighting Uefas fines dished out v deduction. PSG are walking around laughing at everyone. Some teams/PL I don't know who!  wants the Uefa rules implemented hence it being discussed next month at a PL meeting. 

 

PSG were fined under the new Uefa rules -- Masters says the PL are meeting to discuss next month. PSG went over €300 million, punishment/fine, 65 million euros with most of it suspended and only requiring 10 million intial payment . PSG are in a settlement period yet they have a wage bill of €728 million wage bill the highest ever in football history. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Arniepie said:

An absolute cunt him 

Been blocked by both his accounts. They are such cry baby shithouses on Twitter. They like to give it out but as soon as you reply, even without being abusive They block you. I've been blocked by evertonians that I've never had any interaction with on Twitter. Theybare the biggest creases going.

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19 hours ago, sir roger said:

To be fair, Moshiri just signs the cheques.

He has brought in a succession of managers and DoF's who he has been advised are the best available, by the board , supporters and people who are supposed to know football a lot better than him. Not to mention the Russian 'ghost at the feast' sitting behind a curtain during negotiations.


Moshiri was apparently more hands on than that.

 

He pushed through the Tosun deal against advice having seen him have one good game.

 

After he left Brandalf expressed frustration that he hadn’t been allowed to do his job, whether it was Moshiri or Bill interfering with transfers.

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Pushing for acceptance of UEFA rules, which appear to be less stringent in the manner in which they affect the “richer” teams, would suit City right down to the ground and alleviate the pressure on the PL to be ruthless in deducting points from them. 
Could be a get out from years of protracted legal wrangling if they hit City with a massive fine and “agree” to drop many of the more contentious charges?
 

 

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I think there are two aspects to any regulation regime: what triggers sanctions, and the scale & nature of the sanctions.

 

If UEFA are hotter on the triggers for sanctions, that could be useful.  But the range of sanctions available to them is limited, because points deductions don't really make much sense in UEFA competitions (whereas they are the ideal sanction for domestic leagues). 

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11 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I think there are two aspects to any regulation regime: what triggers sanctions, and the scale & nature of the sanctions.

 

If UEFA are hotter on the triggers for sanctions, that could be useful.  But the range of sanctions available to them is limited, because points deductions don't really make much sense in UEFA competitions (whereas they are the ideal sanction for domestic leagues). 

Was just about to say the same thing - in defence of UEFA, they can't really issue points fines. Their only 'sporting' sanction is to bar a team from their competitions, but that's more akin to relegating a team out of the league. They've therefore only got a punishment that's quite lenient - a fine - and one that's quite draconian - expulsion - but nothing in between.

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1 hour ago, Denny Crane said:

 

How have you concluded the Uefa rules are tighter? My take is if the PL had matched the Uefa rules domestically Everton and NFFC would have faced a fine instead of a points deduction. This isn't a defence of Everton but highlighting Uefas fines dished out v deduction. PSG are walking around laughing at everyone. Some teams/PL I don't know who!  wants the Uefa rules implemented hence it being discussed next month at a PL meeting. 

 

PSG were fined under the new Uefa rules -- Masters says the PL are meeting to discuss next month. PSG went over €300 million, punishment/fine, 65 million euros with most of it suspended and only requiring 10 million intial payment . PSG are in a settlement period yet they have a wage bill of €728 million wage bill the highest ever in football history. 

 

 

 

The latest UEFA rules have moved away from the FFP that has been used previously and gone to this new sustainability model (with some formal tariffs for non-compliance). As of this season clubs are now allowed to spend just 70% of their turnover on agents fees, amortisation (trading profit included in this) and salaries. There are two preparation seasons, this where clubs will be allowed 90% this season and next, where they will 80%. And just as importantly, there are time limits around submission and non-submission would mean exclusion from next season. 

 

In this context, it is much tighter financial control and allows less scope for bottomless pockets to spend wildly. Obviously there are different challenges around enforcement with people like city who will inflate sponsorships. But that was true of the last regulations. 

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