Summer 2011

[Mustangt125]

Wont be pleased if Mata goes to a different team in England.

 

Bastos would be cool, we need some more Sambas.

[Joe Le Taxi]

Wor Horse is boss.

 

And he can DJ which means I want to hug him.

[Jose Jones]

You're getting negged for this. I've backed up my assertion that you were wrong, with stats.

 

Whilst the stats show that Skrtel is effective at winning headers 50-50s and tackles, compared to his contemporaries; what Code means is that if you look at the amount of times Skrtel goes in for headers or tackles, they are less frequent than other players. Which would statistically look like he either gives the opposition more space or doesn't read the game well enough to be in a position to make a challenge.

 

e.g. Mins per aerial 50-50s

Terry - 22.8

Vidic - 20.4

Agger - 31.1

Skrtel - 30.3

Kompany - 32.0

 

So Skrtel makes slightly more challenges in the air than Agger and Kompany, but compared to the best in Terry in Vidic he is a way behind. This is actualy Skrtel's best stat, when you start to look at the others:

 

Mins per ground 50-50s

Terry - 10.5

Vidic - 9.9

Agger - 10.9

Skrtel - 13.5

Kompany - 10.8

 

Mins per tackle

Terry - 41.7

Vidic - 42.1

Agger - 41.9

Skrtel - 74.3

Kompany - 34.0

 

Skrtel makes far fewer challenges and tackles than the other defenders - which would suggest he doesn't get in the right positions to make challenges.

However! It's a shame Carragher wasn't included as well really - and you'd also want to compare partnerships too. If Carra is making a similar number of challenges to Terry and Vidic, and Skrtel compares well with Ferdinand/Smalling and Alex/Luiz that would then suggest he is perhaps doing a decent job as the secondary defender.

[ngogswilly]

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This is my favourite paragraph. I think the same applies to Downing too.

 

Obviously the player needs to be good enough, but to also have that desire to maybe give a little bit extra when other players might not. It's a reason I love players like Kuyt so much.

 

The desire to play for Liverpool Football Club is paramount. Fuck mercenaries.

 

Theres no doubting its important to want to sign player's who want to play for us. But there seems to be this attitude with a significant amount of our fanbase that any player we want should dead set on us and only us and should never leave us.

 

Its madness and its not the real world. There are many players we have signed(and done very well for us) in the past who had been fluttering their eyelids at other clubs either before we signed them or a few years down the line.

 

You cannot base your transfer strategy on that because basically its impossible to guarantee any player will ever be that way. Some will stick for the long haul, others won't.

[KirkdaleRick]

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@John_W_Henry

John W. Henry

@Yeehaaman No. Call Tom Werner! Is it because Mata is playing?

[Red Phoenix]

@John_W_Henry

John W. Henry

@Yeehaaman No. Call Tom Werner! Is it because Mata is playing?

 

Hopefully in our team Mr Henry...

 

 

For those posting and talking about stats, I've still got no further with this question, so if Code or anyone else can help, thanks loads : http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/102326-chance-creation-stats.html

 

Saw something in the Express yesterday comparing Nasri, Modric and Sneijder, that had all types of stats including chance creation and was done by Castrol Edge, but having checked their site those details weren't there. Some site will have to do it soon as it's a decent niche that'd get a lot of traffic I'd guess, seeing as there's hardly any competition, if any.

 

Follow up :

 

@John_W_Henry John W. Henry

@njny @Yeehaaman I was kidding about Tom. We don't know what drives friendly matches/econ etc. Still learning. Kidding around dangerous

[Red Phoenix]

We are getting pissed off with the Downing fee & looking at Michel Bastos for £12m

 

Might not be bad at all, especially seeing as he can cover at left back too if needed.

[kalasoma]

Whilst the stats show that Skrtel is effective at winning headers 50-50s and tackles, compared to his contemporaries; what Code means is that if you look at the amount of times Skrtel goes in for headers or tackles, they are less frequent than other players. Which would statistically look like he either gives the opposition more space or doesn't read the game well enough to be in a position to make a challenge.

 

e.g. Mins per aerial 50-50s

Terry - 22.8

Vidic - 20.4

Agger - 31.1

Skrtel - 30.3

Kompany - 32.0

 

So Skrtel makes slightly more challenges in the air than Agger and Kompany, but compared to the best in Terry in Vidic he is a way behind. This is actualy Skrtel's best stat, when you start to look at the others:

 

Mins per ground 50-50s

Terry - 10.5

Vidic - 9.9

Agger - 10.9

Skrtel - 13.5

Kompany - 10.8

 

Mins per tackle

Terry - 41.7

Vidic - 42.1

Agger - 41.9

Skrtel - 74.3

Kompany - 34.0

 

Skrtel makes far fewer challenges and tackles than the other defenders - which would suggest he doesn't get in the right positions to make challenges.

However! It's a shame Carragher wasn't included as well really - and you'd also want to compare partnerships too. If Carra is making a similar number of challenges to Terry and Vidic, and Skrtel compares well with Ferdinand/Smalling and Alex/Luiz that would then suggest he is perhaps doing a decent job as the secondary defender.

 

74.3 mins per tackle? That suggests that in all the minutes he played this season (and Skrtel played every minute) it would appear that opposition teams either don't challenge him much, or he makes a tackle towards the end of each game. Or Carragher accounts for a majority of tackles on forwards. That can't be right?

[Jose Jones]

74.3 mins per tackle? That suggests that in all the minutes he played this season (and Skrtel played every minute) it would appear that opposition teams either don't challenge him much, or he makes a tackle towards the end of each game. Or Carragher accounts for a majority of tackles on forwards. That can't be right?

 

It would be good to have the Carragher figures too – looks at moof – but centre backs don’t actually tackle that often. Even John Terry only averages two tackles a match.

 

Skrtel’s low rates could be down to a number of things, poor positioning and reading of the play, team playing so deep that he is mainly called upon for blocks and headers, the midfield doing all the tackling and the defence not really being called upon, etc.

[kalasoma]

It would be good to have the Carragher figures too – looks at moof – but centre backs don’t actually tackle that often. Even John Terry only averages two tackles a match.

 

Skrtel’s low rates could be down to a number of things, poor positioning and reading of the play, team playing so deep that he is mainly called upon for blocks and headers, the midfield doing all the tackling and the defence not really being called upon, etc.

 

I can't remember the exact number, but Lucas made the most tackles for our team (and for the league). Not saying that he is solely responsible for Skrtel's low rates, but with Lucas breaking up the play in midfield, may give our CBs that much less work to do on the ground. It could just be, like you say, that Skrtel doesn't read the play well enough or fast enough.

[stevienando]

I think statistics in football can be extremely misrepresentative. Not only can they be interpreted differently by different people in order to suit their agenda, they provide just a small glimpse into the actual contribution of a player. Over-reading and over-analysing statistics don't do justice to the intangibles of our game.

[Jose Jones]

I think statistics in football can be extremely misrepresentative. Not only can they be interpreted differently by different people in order to suit their agenda, they provide just a small glimpse into the actual contribution of a player. Over-reading and over-analysing statistics don't do justice to the intangibles of our game.

 

Yeah I agree really. You have to look at the whole team and how it works. It's when you get some glaring example that I suppose it can be useful in winning arguments.

[Chippo]

Whilst the stats show that Skrtel is effective at winning headers 50-50s and tackles, compared to his contemporaries; what Code means is that if you look at the amount of times Skrtel goes in for headers or tackles, they are less frequent than other players. Which would statistically look like he either gives the opposition more space or doesn't read the game well enough to be in a position to make a challenge.

 

e.g. Mins per aerial 50-50s

Terry - 22.8

Vidic - 20.4

Agger - 31.1

Skrtel - 30.3

Kompany - 32.0

 

So Skrtel makes slightly more challenges in the air than Agger and Kompany, but compared to the best in Terry in Vidic he is a way behind. This is actualy Skrtel's best stat, when you start to look at the others:

 

Mins per ground 50-50s

Terry - 10.5

Vidic - 9.9

Agger - 10.9

Skrtel - 13.5

Kompany - 10.8

 

Mins per tackle

Terry - 41.7

Vidic - 42.1

Agger - 41.9

Skrtel - 74.3

Kompany - 34.0

 

Skrtel makes far fewer challenges and tackles than the other defenders - which would suggest he doesn't get in the right positions to make challenges.

However! It's a shame Carragher wasn't included as well really - and you'd also want to compare partnerships too. If Carra is making a similar number of challenges to Terry and Vidic, and Skrtel compares well with Ferdinand/Smalling and Alex/Luiz that would then suggest he is perhaps doing a decent job as the secondary defender.

 

It could just as well be that Skrtel read the game so good that he doesnt need to challenge that often. Stats can tell you what you want.

[paulmacca10]

I think statistics in football can be extremely misrepresentative. Not only can they be interpreted differently by different people in order to suit their agenda, they provide just a small glimpse into the actual contribution of a player. Over-reading and over-analysing statistics don't do justice to the intangibles of our game.

 

Exactly. Statistics can be used to give weight to any point.

 

87% of people know that.

[BenR_]

Stats tell you whatever you want them to tell you. I fucking hate stats, you can do use stats to reach the conclusion that Lucas is a better midfielder than Xavi, if you spin them in a certain way.

[Major Tom]

Wor Horse is actually one of the better posters left on here right now.

 

The better posters engage with people they don't agree with, they don't just resort to telling them to 'fuck off'. You may agree with his views, but he isn't that good a poster at all in my view.

 

On topic: Mata quoted in the Mirror as being £15m rated. No chance!

[Guest TK-421]

Lucas is way better than Xavi. I don't need stats to prove it.

[lfc_sotorious]

Lucas is way better than Xavi. I don't need stats to prove it.

 

Couldnt agree more, Lucas is BOSS

[silverlining]

Stats tell you whatever you want them to tell you. I fucking hate stats, you can do use stats to reach the conclusion that Lucas is a better midfielder than Xavi, if you spin them in a certain way.

 

Yeah, they can be used poorly. For example, 90% of Code's posts include stats, and they're all shit.

[18-5]

Aly Cissokho destroying United in this Video.

 

M6tOlv1GnoM

 

I hope Rory Smith is wrong when he says Cissokho isn't Kenny's priority.

[WaltonRed]

If we get Cissoko, Downing, and a CB in we'll of had a good summer for me.

[Randy Marsh]

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@John_W_Henry

John W. Henry

@Yeehaaman No. Call Tom Werner! Is it because Mata is playing?

 

That's interesting, he also mentions Mata's official twitter account in a later tweet. Hmmm....

[WaltonRed]

John needs to put the Blackberry away for a bit

[lamai]

I think statistics in football can be extremely misrepresentative. Not only can they be interpreted differently by different people in order to suit their agenda, they provide just a small glimpse into the actual contribution of a player. Over-reading and over-analysing statistics don't do justice to the intangibles of our game.

 

Totally agree.

[Unrighteous]

John needs to put the Blackberry away for a bit

 

They don't call it a crackberry for nothing.