Keir Starmer

[Jairzinho]

Sadly, Rachel Reeves is also a central plank of the Labour Party.

[Section_31]

What do people actually have to vote for?

 

"Vote for us and we won't do anything different."

 

"Vote for us instead - and we'll cut more budgets."

 

Great fun. 

[Creator Supreme]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Sadly, Rachel Reeves is also a central plank of the Labour Party.

She's definitely a fucking plank!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Geordie Jews say "Fuck off trying to pin this on us".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-65855010 

[Bjornebye]

9 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Geordie Jews say "Fuck off trying to pin this on us".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-65855010 

I assume them Jews are anti-semites as well now? 

[Gnasher]

Ah my old mate David Lammy's doing the this mornings tv rounds. I'd (thankfully) forgotten about him. Reminds me of the humdinger I had with someone on this thread over his appearance on the Kuensburg show where he failed to back Heathrow workers in the fight to regain their hourly rate they had stripped when working through the pandemic. A dispute that was won (no thanks to Lammy) by Unite and the workers. 

 

Anyway here he is earning top side money and sharing top bants with Kelvin MacCunty. This a party that now openly detests people such as Ken Loach. 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

Thought I remembered a pledge to abolish the House of Lords?  I must have been dreaming.

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

Dont know who he is but this fella has got it right. He's spot on.

 

 

 

 

[Trumo]

19 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Dont know who he is but this fella has got it right. He's spot on.

 

 

Actor Alan Cumming. I bet he wishes he could have gone all Nightcrawler in the White House and No10 when the two shit-haired biffs were in charge.

[Poor Scouser T]

A lurch to the right in politics was a given coming off the back of austerity and pandemic. Politicians of all leanings will on the whole look to increase their grip on control when the general public have been hammered into submission and are there for the taking. Check history.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Is this the @jrc1921 thread?

[Gnasher]

Good article this:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/11/labour-opposition-power-keir-starmer-party?s=09

 

 

[Gnasher]

Another one bites the dust. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Anubis]

 

 

Not much pretence left. Not sure why people thought they’d support motion to oppose. Labour want those powers in place because they believe they’ve won the next election and they want those powers.

 

The Tory party is Tory in name only, and occupies the ground formerly occupied by UKIP.

 

Labour is Labour in name only, and occupies the ground formerly occupied by Cameron Conservatism.

[Jairzinho]

Get behind him, for fuck sake. Incredible that some people on the left don't want to support this top, top bloke.

[ZonkoVille77]

Look at his face. Fuckin dying inside that he had to shake his hand.

 

 

 

[Section_31]

32 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

Not much pretence left. Not sure why people thought they’d support motion to oppose. Labour want those powers in place because they believe they’ve won the next election and they want those powers.

 

The Tory party is Tory in name only, and occupies the ground formerly occupied by UKIP.

 

Labour is Labour in name only, and occupies the ground formerly occupied by Cameron Conservatism.

 

Sad but true.

[Rushies tash]

29 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

Not much pretence left. Not sure why people thought they’d support motion to oppose. Labour want those powers in place because they believe they’ve won the next election and they want those powers.

 

The Tory party is Tory in name only, and occupies the ground formerly occupied by UKIP.

 

Labour is Labour in name only, and occupies the ground formerly occupied by Cameron Conservatism.

 

Playing devil's advocate, but if Labour peers did obstruct the legislation, could Sunak force it through anyway? If so, all it would do would arm the Mail with headlines about Labour being soft on oil protesters, terrorists etc. For what it's worth, I think they should oppose everything this shower do, but are they just trying to stay unoffensive to some mythical focus group set of swing voters?

[Creator Supreme]

I can't blame Starmer or Labour for that bill, that's all the Tories work the evil bastards. I can certainly be sickened by them not opposing it though!

 

Horrific piece of legislation, and truly disgusting in this day and age.

 

The more we learn, the less we know.

[Jairzinho]

53 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

 

Playing devil's advocate, but if Labour peers did obstruct the legislation, could Sunak force it through anyway? If so, all it would do would arm the Mail with headlines about Labour being soft on oil protesters, terrorists etc. For what it's worth, I think they should oppose everything this shower do, but are they just trying to stay unoffensive to some mythical focus group set of swing voters?

 

Well, they certainly can't while trying to create an image of being nearly as hateful as the Tories but slightly less incompetent.

 

The flag waving, anti-immigration, anti-protesters, message is for the red wall presumably.

 

As you say, the focus groups will have crunched the numbers.

[sir roger]

They appear to think the Thick of It was a documentary.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 11/06/2023 at 12:39, Poor Scouser T said:

A lurch to the right in politics was a given coming off the back of austerity and pandemic. Politicians of all leanings will on the whole look to increase their grip on control when the general public have been hammered into submission and are there for the taking. Check history.

Absolutely.

And the whole "anti-Woke" Culture Wars and the attacks on asylum seekers are all intended to keep us duped, divided and distracted from the fact that we are being robbed. It's an old trick, but it still works.

[Bjornebye]

5 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Absolutely.

And the whole "anti-Woke" Culture Wars and the attacks on asylum seekers are all intended to keep us duped, divided and distracted from the fact that we are being robbed. It's an old trick, but it still works.

 

Daily attacks on Markle and more recently the likes of Schofield...... Knowing plenty out there are more likely to click and rage about a "source" claiming that Markle shot one of the queens Corgi's rather than the harsh reality of life under this cunt tory government. 

[Jack the Sipper]

it's a bit of an insult to the likes of the Greens, the Socialist Labour Party, Socialist Workers Party, the Communist Party of Great Britain, the Northern Independence Party and others, to say that there's nowhere

for the working man of the left to go. And if the argument is that none of these field enough candidates or have a chance of attaining power, then what does that tell us? Not enough interest in left-wing politics? Too factionalised to unite as a force? Too comfortable shouting from the sidelines? Take your pick.

 

I see threads on here with people complaining about how conservative this country is, and how the people are conditioned by the press to think, to vote in a certain way, then I come on threads like this and see the same people expressing incredulity that the Labour Party are also recognising that in their bid to win power and kick the fucking Tories out.

 

Leftists aren't pissed off that there's no party for them to vote for. They're pissed off that the Labour Party, after a brief flirtation with leftism, has returned to the business of trying to win elections. Problem is, the Labour Party doesn't owe it to the left to represent them, not at the expense of representing millions of working people who don't have left wing views, and especially not at the expense of being in government bringing about change.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Jack the Sipper said:

it's a bit of an insult to the likes of the Greens, the Socialist Labour Party, Socialist Workers Party, the Communist Party of Great Britain, the Northern Independence Party and others, to say that there's nowhere

for the working man of the left to go. And if the argument is that none of these field enough candidates or have a chance of attaining power, then what does that tell us? Not enough interest in left-wing politics? Too factionalised to unite as a force? Too comfortable shouting from the sidelines? Take your pick.

 

I see threads on here with people complaining about how conservative this country is, and how the people are conditioned by the press to think, to vote in a certain way, then I come on threads like this and see the same people expressing incredulity that the Labour Party are also recognising that in their bid to win power and kick the fucking Tories out.

 

Leftists aren't pissed off that there's no party for them to vote for. They're pissed off that the Labour Party, after a brief flirtation with leftism, has returned to the business of trying to win elections. Problem is, the Labour Party doesn't owe it to the left to represent them, not at the expense of representing millions of working people who don't have left wing views, and especially not at the expense of being in government bringing about change.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/independent-group-for-change-uk-election-results-mps-anna-soubry-chuka-umunna-a9254166.html