Coronavirus

[clangers]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

You can sense this could all end up with the troops in. 

It's building to a distinct breaking point, I still think it will be when he's forced into a national lockdown. A defining moment for his premiership? Probably on January 1st with the additional chaos of a nations supply chain being disrupted and thousand's of lorries parked up in Kent.

 

At the moment the Tories really don't give a shit about the north, obviously they never have done. It says a great deal that because London is now tier 2 that the treasury is frantically putting together plans for extra financial support whilst other areas have effectively been in tier 2 for months.

[Spy Bee]

4 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Last sentence on this, 'if agreed with local politicians'. Why did he and they agree? Did they just cave in?

 

Burnham categorically denied that they were given a choice.

[clangers]

57 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

 

Could government policy be to cause lots of confusion and anger, so that then they can justify everyone just getting on with it?

I think we're giving them to much credit. They are just really, really shit at administration and strategy and well, er, governing. They're a bunch political campaigners and nothing more.

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Burnham categorically denied that they were given a choice.

Well Lancashire must have been given one as they're still open there.

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Mudface said:

Well Lancashire must have been given one as they're still open there.

That's why he is demanding answers.

[Davelfc]

Liverpool City Region leaders have demanded the government provide scientific evidence on why gyms were closed in the region while those in Lancashire, today also placed into Tier 3, remained open.

Leaders within Merseyside have reacted with exasperation after learning that their neighbouring area will go into the strictest category of Covid-19 restrictions, but with different amended rules. 

 

In Lancashire, gyms and leisure centres continue to stay open, which is not the case on Merseyside and in Halton. 

Today, Metro Mayor Steve Rotheram, Mayor Joe Anderson, and their counterparts in Sefton, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens in Halton, expressed their dismay at the discrepancies.

And they are asking for the data from Westminster which demonstrate that the regions' gyms and leisure centres are less safe than those in Lancashire.

 

If that is not forthcoming, it could lead to increased pressure from leaders on government to amend the rules to correspond with measures experienced by all Tier 3 areas.

 

 

In a joint statement, the Liverpool City Region bosses said: "This week the government imposed Tier 3 restrictions on Liverpool City Region.

 

“We are very conscious of the high rates of coronavirus in our region and the pressure this causes on our NHS, and have therefore always understood the need for some action to bring the virus under control and protect our residents.

"However, we have always been clear that we were given no choice about the specific package of measures that would be applied to us, or the scientific evidence to support them.

 

“We note the decision to move Lancashire into Tier 3 today, while also being concerned that there appear to be differences between the two packages of measures, particularly the opening of gyms.

"We therefore require government to explain, with evidence, why they believe gyms in the Liverpool City Region are a greater risk for Covid transmission, than those elsewhere.

 

“We simply will not accept our region being treated differently to other Tier 3 areas, without robust scientific evidence.

"These inconsistencies in restrictions between areas within the same tier risk undermining the new system from the beginning.

 

“So, today we are once again demanding that government urgently supplies us with the scientific evidence behind their decision to close gyms in our area, while allowing them to stay open in other areas."

 

Wirral Council leader Jan Williamson said: "As Liverpool City Region leaders we (are) demanding the evidence from Government immediately as to why our gyms have had to shut and Lancashire can keep theirs open.

 

"We need fairness and consistency, what we have is a shambles."

 

St Helens leader David Baines said soft play centres in the Liverpool City Region have been allowed to remain open but in Lancashire they must close.

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-city-region-leaders-demand-19116606

[Davelfc]

It's a fucking mess and we're not even into the winter yet. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

The BBC really do their best for Boris. Just report outside reporter I dont want your fucking opinion.

[corro]

Rotherham must be fucking cringing every time that fat lying cunt Throws his name in for supporting them

[Section_31]

25 minutes ago, corro said:

Rotherham must be fucking cringing every time that fat lying cunt Throws his name in for supporting them

To be fair Rotheram is a helmet. He just copies whatever Burnham does but six months later. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Jedd Drudge said:

Liverpool City Region leaders have demanded the government provide scientific evidence on why gyms were closed in the region while those in Lancashire, today also placed into Tier 3, remained open.

Leaders within Merseyside have reacted with exasperation after learning that their neighbouring area will go into the strictest category of Covid-19 restrictions, but with different amended rules. 

 

In Lancashire, gyms and leisure centres continue to stay open, which is not the case on Merseyside and in Halton. 

Today, Metro Mayor Steve Rotheram, Mayor Joe Anderson, and their counterparts in Sefton, Knowsley, Wirral, St Helens in Halton, expressed their dismay at the discrepancies.

And they are asking for the data from Westminster which demonstrate that the regions' gyms and leisure centres are less safe than those in Lancashire.

 

If that is not forthcoming, it could lead to increased pressure from leaders on government to amend the rules to correspond with measures experienced by all Tier 3 areas.

 

 

In a joint statement, the Liverpool City Region bosses said: "This week the government imposed Tier 3 restrictions on Liverpool City Region.

 

“We are very conscious of the high rates of coronavirus in our region and the pressure this causes on our NHS, and have therefore always understood the need for some action to bring the virus under control and protect our residents.

"However, we have always been clear that we were given no choice about the specific package of measures that would be applied to us, or the scientific evidence to support them.

 

“We note the decision to move Lancashire into Tier 3 today, while also being concerned that there appear to be differences between the two packages of measures, particularly the opening of gyms.

"We therefore require government to explain, with evidence, why they believe gyms in the Liverpool City Region are a greater risk for Covid transmission, than those elsewhere.

 

“We simply will not accept our region being treated differently to other Tier 3 areas, without robust scientific evidence.

"These inconsistencies in restrictions between areas within the same tier risk undermining the new system from the beginning.

 

“So, today we are once again demanding that government urgently supplies us with the scientific evidence behind their decision to close gyms in our area, while allowing them to stay open in other areas."

 

Wirral Council leader Jan Williamson said: "As Liverpool City Region leaders we (are) demanding the evidence from Government immediately as to why our gyms have had to shut and Lancashire can keep theirs open.

 

"We need fairness and consistency, what we have is a shambles."

 

St Helens leader David Baines said soft play centres in the Liverpool City Region have been allowed to remain open but in Lancashire they must close.

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-city-region-leaders-demand-19116606

The request for scientific facts has been forwarded on to @Strontium Dog™.

[3 Stacks]

People can believe the numbers they want to believe, but it looks like Covid is pretty much gone in China. Shows what's possible when there are no limits on what a Government can do to limit human rights and data protection. Half kidding, but when people here talk about life being so hard with masks and the half-assed restrictions, with Covid still raging on despite those, maybe they should think about what the Chinese people have had to go through and maybe the comfort they are feeling now.

[Dougie Do'ins]

Each to their own but I don't get why some people will accept what news about the virus that comes from China.

[Section_31]

[Colonel Bumcunt]

Turn off the news.

Seriously, turn it off and read a book.

This 'nightmare' will end soon enough if you treat Oct to March as a cushy 6 month jail term.

Do your 6 months, develop yourself, be good to yourself, block the bullshit, get off the social media, don't watch the news, your opinion on matters counts for fucking zilch, so why bother.

 

Boris and the BBC aren't getting inside my house.  They have nothing to say that I want or need to hear. 

 

I will only interact on these topics on here.  Don't mind it through this medium, call someone a cunt once in a while, realise I've learnt nothing new but share a bit of

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BANTZ

, that's all I need. 

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

8 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Each to their own but I don't get why some people will accept what news about the virus that comes from China.

Mate, China is pretty open these days.  It's not North Korea, it's just Trump and Putin want us to think it's evil.   

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/08/16/china-wage-levels-equal-to-or-surpass-parts-of-europe/#41437e413e7f

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/400-million-strong-and-growing-chinas-massive-middle-class-is-its-secret-weapon/

 

 

It held an Olympic Games 12 years ago, and is holding the Winter Olympics in 18 months. 

 

Alex Texeira preferred to live in China than Liverpool, and that was 4 years ago, he's still fucking there.

 

I trust the Chinese numbers as much as I trust the American numbers, or the UK numbers.  

 

 

[Mudface]

Free Alex Texeira.

[Guest]

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/italy-coronavirus-success?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

 

The way Italy handled its second wave is a lesson for us all

The country was one of the hardest-hit in Europe. But now, as cases spike elsewhere, Italy is keeping a handle on its second wave

Giulio Gambino remembers that it was the images of hospitals in Bergamo back in March, with patients hooked up to ventilators and gasping for air, that got Italians to take the pandemic seriously. "I think the images coming out of Lombardy shocked people," he says. "There was a big, big fear. After that, people really accepted being locked down."

Back when Italy detected its first cases of Covid-19, Gambino, editor of Rome-based online newspaper TPI, remembers that Italians reacted similarly to many other countries – some blamed China, nobody wanted to go into lockdown and, many, even political leaders, were saying it was just the flu.

This was back at the end of January, when Italy declared a state of emergency and became the first country to block flights from China. "We can reassure all the citizens, the situation is under control," Italian prime minister Giuseppe Conte told the nation at the time. This turned out to be incorrect. By March 9, Italy had 9,172 cases and became the first country in the world to enter nationwide lockdown. In two days, it would have the second-highest number of infections outside China, with 827 Italians dead. By March 22, as factories closed, a similar number were dying every day and the country had 59,138 cases.

But now, while cases have spiked in other European countries, Italy is a picture of relative stability. The country reported just 40.4 infections per 100,000 people in the last 14 days. This is far less than Spain (325.9), France (241.8) and the UK (117.9), and even compares well with Germany (32.1), one of the nations that has best dealt with the pandemic. Italy’s death rate is low, too, at 0.4 Covid-19 deaths per 100,000 over the last 14 days, compared, for instance, to Spain’s 3.3 deaths. While the UK, France and Spain have have all had to implement local lockdowns of varying degrees, similar measures haven't been necessary in Italy at all.

Over August, the number of coronavirus infections increased steadily each week, particularly among young people, hitting more than 1,400 on a single day – as many cases as recorded in May. "At the very beginning of the summer, there was this explosion of people going out, wanting to get their lives back," says Gambino. But this possible second wave hasn’t yet come to pass. One reason for this success is that Italian residents may simply have been terrified into compliance. It was images like the ones that scared Gambino, as well the recognition that Italy still has the sixth highest death toll in the world, that have kept Italians cautious and compliant since coming out of lockdown.

Italians has been wearing their masks devoutly – back in June, according to an Imperial College London study, 84 per cent of Italians, would be willing to wear a face mask if the government advised them to; now the practise is mandatory and those who refuse to face fines of up to €3,000 (£2,700). YouGov statistics show that in Italy people tend to wear masks and face coverings as well as avoid crowded places more often than in other European countries.

Rules are also strict – waiters must wear masks and customers have always had to wear masks when inside and not eating. Masks remain mandatory outdoors in Lombardy. To tackle spread at busy nightlife spots, since August, the government has ordered that worn in all crowded places between 6pm and 6am.

Back in February, when a 38-year-old with a high temperature was allowed to return home and infect scores of Italians, including people in his local football team, and at the hospital where he was diagnosed, the Italian government was accused of incompetence. But now it should take credit – it instituted Europe’s first and longest lockdown, and Italians are generally pleased with the government’s response. In a survey from June 2020, most Italian interviewees (65 per cent) approved the government's response to the pandemic. Because of this competence, Gambino feels that the mood towards the government has been positive, which behavioural scientists say increases compliance.

Though the country is carrying out around three times less tests than the UK, Italy's testing system may also be more efficient than other countries – the country tests the entire social network of an infected person, regardless of whether they have been exposed, a great way to catch asymptomatic cases. "This strategy has clear limitations, as it cannot be sustained indefinitely, but may be one of the reasons that has limited transmission so far. Testing has recently been introduced at entry from at-risk countries too," says Ilaria Dorigatti, a lecturer at Imperial College London's School of Public Health. Rapid testing is also available at airports, train stations and schools.

But one worry is the coming winter. As is the case throughout the northern hemisphere, there is a genuine fear that the cold may push people inside and send cases soaring. "People tend to be outdoors a lot more in hotter southern European countries," says Gary McLean, a professor of molecular immunology at London Metropolitan University. "We know the virus doesn't transmit as well outside and tends to transmit very easily indoors." Still, the government has so far been proactive about monitoring the populace – according to the Financial Times, on September 28 police checked 50,602 people and 4,939 businesses – where remote work has been encouraged – sanctioning 227 individuals and ordering the closure of three companies.

But Italy is not out of the woods yet. Schools and universities reopened just a couple weeks ago, and new Covid-19 infections rose by over 2,500 on Thursday, the highest since April, though this is partly due to increased testing. But, so far, Italy has avoided a second lockdown

[Dougie Do'ins]

10 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Mate, China is pretty open these days.  It's not North Korea, it's just Trump and Putin want us to think it's evil.   

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/08/16/china-wage-levels-equal-to-or-surpass-parts-of-europe/#41437e413e7f

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/400-million-strong-and-growing-chinas-massive-middle-class-is-its-secret-weapon/

 

 

It held an Olympic Games 12 years ago, and is holding the Winter Olympics in 18 months. 

 

Alex Texeira preferred to live in China than Liverpool, and that was 4 years ago, he's still fucking there.

 

I trust the Chinese numbers as much as I trust the American numbers, or the UK numbers.  

 

 

I'm talking about it's governments reaction prior and post virus outbreak. 

 

They weren't pretty open about the severity of the virus until it was to late. Didn't a doctor, who's since died have to let the world know how bad it was.

 

I'm not sure if there's been a change in attitude from them but they weren't pretty open to outsiders coming in to investigate the origins of the virus.

[Moo]

I see Jacinda Ardern has won a landslide election victory in NZ.  This, apparently, after pursuing a disastrous Covid policy according to The Daily Telegraph.

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, Moo said:

I see Jacinda Ardern has won a landslide election victory in NZ.  This, apparently, after pursuing a disastrous Covid policy according to The Daily Telegraph.

So disastrous, there'll be 40,000 at the rugby tomorrow. My brother was saying they also had referenda on legalising cannabis and euthanasia, so presumably you can now check out laughing. Christ, I wish we lived in a modern country and weren't governed by these throwback fuckwits.

[Moo]

15 minutes ago, Mudface said:

So disastrous, there'll be 40,000 at the rugby tomorrow. My brother was saying they also had referenda on legalising cannabis and euthanasia, so presumably you can now check out laughing. Christ, I wish we lived in a modern country and weren't governed by these throwback fuckwits.

It's almost as if people care more about their lives and the lives of their families than they do about the economy during a global pandmemic.  As long as they are given financial support and that measures are taken to boost the local economy and local tourism of course.

[Barrington Womble]

The numbers continue to get shitter. 

 

[John102]

Thanks for all the well wishes. Unfortunately my dad got another infection which was too much for him.

 

We managed to get in and be there. Staff were fantastic too.

 

Such is life.

[Mudface]

3 minutes ago, John102 said:

Thanks for all the well wishes. Unfortunately my dad got another infection which was too much for him.

 

We managed to be get in and be there. Staff were fantastic too.

 

Such is life.

Shit. Really sorry to hear that. Take care.