Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[jimmycase]

No, the proposed future collapse of the EU by Njackets, would lead to a rise in xenophobia and fascism in Europe in my opinion.

 

Of course the leave campaign in the UK was indeed led by fascists (Boris, Gove) and xenophobes (Farage). And the result will be a boon to right wing nationalists continent wide.

 

That presumes the EU will fall apart and even then, its not a given that xenophobia and fascism in Europe will rise.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

A sore loser methinks.

At least I haven't got 2 accounts. Bad weirdo.

 

People are concerned. People might lose their jobs. The pound is tanking. It'll probably be worse tomorrow. People fear for their loved ones being allowed to continue to live here. People fear that their rights in the workplace will be trampled all over.

 

And you're gloating and claiming victory for putting an x in a box.

 

Well done. You're such a star.

[PestiRed]

I know that there's some Scots in my family tree - need to figure out if I can claim nationality with them and keep an EU passport

[njackets]

I'm calling it a night, want to be able to enjoy the day tomorrow without feeling fucked. How I'll resist going on the piss I don't know!

[cloggypop]

No, the proposed future collapse of the EU by Njackets, would lead to a rise in xenophobia and fascism in Europe in my opinion.

 

Of course the leave campaign in the UK was indeed led by fascists (Boris, Gove) and xenophobes (Farage). And the result will be a boon to right wing nationalists continent wide.

The tactics of hatred and blame are now established as successful. It's a massive shift to the hard right. I'm disgusted.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I'm calling it a night, want to be able to enjoy the day tomorrow without feeling fucked. How I'll resist going on the piss I don't know!

I hope you get an off pint. You're a cunt too.

[jimmycase]

At least I haven't got 2 accounts. Bad weirdo.

 

People are concerned. People might lose their jobs. The pound is tanking. It'll probably be worse tomorrow. People fear for their loved ones being allowed to continue to live here. People fear that their rights in the workplace will be trampled all over.

 

And you're gloating and claiming victory for putting an x in a box.

 

Well done. You're such a star.

 

Haha. Its the fucking internet mate. That's why you're not posting under your real name.

 

Of course Im celebrating a victory, its what I wanted. im sure you'd have been 'gloating' in your posts to me if the result had gone the other way. People like you seem to think people like me dont have any children, relatives and friends that may be impacted by this decision. Yet more inaccurate presumptions by you.

 

And dont think for one minute Im celebrating the fact some people may lose their jobs. The only ones I will celebrate losing their jobs are tories.

[Jose Jones]

And the fascists on the remain side?

Fewer in proportion.

The lefties who want out may have done so for all the right reasons, but I think they will be rather disappointed in the outcomes in the future.

[Red Phoenix]

Well I didn't expect this, and I guess this thread will get fairly uglier over the next few days. The blame should really be on the EU itself though I think, for being a corporate joke, not the voters.
 

It's going to have to hit home at some point though that over half of the voters aren't simply thick, racist and so on. We're going to have to try to move on, and if someone like Corbyn is elected in the future, this country could actually get quite a lot better.

 

Corbyn himself too, who a lot of you support, probably isn't going to be that bothered. So why so many here are is fairly odd. It might take a while, but things could improve quite a bit once the initial chaos has passed if we have less manipulation from the mob in Brussels.

[Bobby Hundreds]

It is what it is. I'm not looking forward to the sacrifice of less job security, less pay, more hours, less working rights and huge cuts to public services the recent past shows us the tories do when given the right excuse to do so. God I hope I'm wrong.

[jimmycase]

Well I didn't expect this, and I guess this thread will get fairly uglier over the next few days. The blame should really be on the EU itself though I think, for being a corporate joke, not the voters.

 

It's going to have to hit home at some point though that over half of the voters aren't simply thick, racist and so on. We're going to have to try to move on, and if someone like Corbyn is elected in the future, this country could actually get quite a lot better.

 

Corbyn himself too, who a lot of you support, probably isn't going to be that bothered. So why so many here are is fairly odd. It might take a while, but things could improve quite a bit once the initial chaos has passed if we have less manipulation from the mob in Brussels.

 

Me neither. I thought Remain would win it.

[skend04]

Well I didn't expect this, and I guess this thread will get fairly uglier over the next few days. The blame should really be on the EU itself though I think, for being a corporate joke, not the voters.

 

It's going to have to hit home at some point though that over half of the voters aren't simply thick, racist and so on. We're going to have to try to move on, and if someone like Corbyn is elected in the future, this country could actually get quite a lot better.

 

Corbyn himself too, who a lot of you support, probably isn't going to be that bothered. So why so many here are is fairly odd. It might take a while, but things could improve quite a bit once the initial chaos has passed if we have less manipulation from the mob in Brussels.

I think Corbyn, along with Cameron, could be a goner unless polls show a majority of Labour voters voted to remain.

[PestiRed]

Well I didn't expect this, and I guess this thread will get fairly uglier over the next few days. The blame should really be on the EU itself though I think, for being a corporate joke, not the voters.

 

It's going to have to hit home at some point though that over half of the voters aren't simply thick, racist and so on. We're going to have to try to move on, and if someone like Corbyn is elected in the future, this country could actually get quite a lot better.

 

Corbyn himself too, who a lot of you support, probably isn't going to be that bothered. So why so many here are is fairly odd. It might take a while, but things could improve quite a bit once the initial chaos has passed if we have less manipulation from the mob in Brussels.

You get that you're going to be broke and fucked for years, don't you? Your status as the third largest country for inward investment, that money's going to dry up very quickly. The poor areas of the country that rely on EU grants for the only help they've had in years, that's gone. All the jobs that rely on exporting to Europe, well there's a bunch of European-based competitors just eager to make it impossible for those exports to be competitive in the future. And the state of the pound will mean that you can't afford those imports that make life a little pleasanter. Even the city boys will suffer as the German banks spot their opportunity to grab a bunch of business. And woe betide you if you want a decent plumber, cleaner or any of those jobs that have been dependent on EU citizens because now they are going to cost you a fortune.

[Red Phoenix]

Fewer in proportion.

The lefties who want out may have done so for all the right reasons, but I think they will be rather disappointed in the outcomes in the future.

 

I think we'd have been massively disappointed with a remain vote in the future. Listening to someone on the BBC now asking what the plan is, well what was the plan if we stayed? I don't think that was clear at all either, and that nothing very concrete was put forward. The EU wasn't going to magically get better, and I don't think the good intentions of the remain voters would have done much. Now of course, anything bad with the EU can easily be blamed on this vote, but anyway, I guess it's over now and we just try to move on.

 

The main thing is that there's a lot more people in this country that aren't racist, and that don't want some of the shit that some of the idiots in Ukip and other parties want. Those of us that want what's best for all of us (including the people of other countries in Europe.) should maybe try using this to our advantage. Because at the end of the day, we do now if this goes forward have more independence. If we can get a better government sorted, it could eventually work out a lot more than it has done so far.

[cloggypop]

A lot of people have just voted for illogical racist reasons and won. Expect it to continue.

[Red Phoenix]

You get that you're going to be broke and fucked for years, don't you? Your status as the third largest country for inward investment, that money's going to dry up very quickly. The poor areas of the country that rely on EU grants for the only help they've had in years, that's gone. All the jobs that rely on exporting to Europe, well there's a bunch of European-based competitors just eager to make it impossible for those exports to be competitive in the future. And the state of the pound will mean that you can't afford those imports that make life a little pleasanter. Even the city boys will suffer as the German banks spot their opportunity to grab a bunch of business. And woe betide you if you want a decent plumber, cleaner or any of those jobs that have been dependent on EU citizens because now they are going to cost you a fortune.

 

I don't think a lot of that is true, and that time will show that. Anyway, getting into a debate with some of you here, who are understandably pissed off at the moment, is probably a bad idea. And I've not slept yet either.

 

So I'll try to stop posting stuff for the time being.

[Paul]

Jesus fucking Christ. I live in a country where the national mood is in tune with Johnson, Farrage and Gove. I feel both surrounded and trapped.

[PestiRed]

Jesus fucking Christ. I live in a country where the national mood is in tune with Johnson, Farrage and Gove. I feel both surrounded and trapped.

Cheer up, you're an educator, one of the few people that could actually make a difference to the frigging mess that the current generation have caused

[skend04]

25 years of anti-EU sentiment the Remain camp had to overcome. It's disheartening but it was expected, by me anyway.

[Paul]

Scotland will fuck off imminently now and right wing politics will become entrenched for decades at Westminster. Jesus, I feel sick. Democracy is fucking shit.

[Jose Jones]

I think we'd have been massively disappointed with a remain vote in the future. Listening to someone on the BBC now asking what the plan is, well what was the plan if we stayed? I don't think that was clear at all either, and that nothing very concrete was put forward. The EU wasn't going to magically get better, and I don't think the good intentions of the remain voters would have done much. Now of course, anything bad with the EU can easily be blamed on this vote, but anyway, I guess it's over now and we just try to move on.

 

The main thing is that there's a lot more people in this country that aren't racist, and that don't want some of the shit that some of the idiots in Ukip and other parties want. Those of us that want what's best for all of us (including the people of other countries in Europe.) should maybe try using this to our advantage. Because at the end of the day, we do now if this goes forward have more independence. If we can get a better government sorted, it could eventually work out a lot more than it has done so far.

All well and good if the Out campaign was led with increased democracy and social worth as its driving themes.

 

But it wasn't, it was xenophobia and right wing crankery.

[whtwht]

Damn :o(.was not expecting this at all. Off to work now to see what today's trading will be

 

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[Paul]

To add insult to fucking injury, I held off buying my Euros until after yesterday's debacle in the (now idiotic) hope that the pound would strengthen dramatically. This country is awash with cunts.

[Kloppite]

Jesus fucking Christ. I live in a country where the national mood is in tune with Johnson, Farrage and Gove. I feel both surrounded and trapped.

I voted remain but maybe it was more a case that Johnson, Farage and Gove where in tune with the nation.

 

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[Remmie]

Is this even more depressing than the General election? I say yes, this will have a far longer term impact.

 

I need to wake up and this just be a bad dream.