Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

It trivialises racism entirely.

 

Yeah, I agree. If racism is the difference between saying 'black' and 'coloured', then racism is akin to pedantry. Pedantry is little more than an annoyance. Ergo, racism is nothing more than a bit of an annoyance.

 

What racism really means is a prejudice based upon nothing more than race, skin colour and/or ethnicity, or nationality. At it's worst extremes it envokes pictures of the Holocaust and 'lynched Niggers*' in the Southern states. At its most common, it's verbal abuse, being overlooked for jobs, being treated unfairly by criminal courts, etc.

 

What it isn't is saying 'coloured' or 'my little black buddy' with all context removed. Those saying those things needs to be picked up and educated about the nuances of race based terms and saying within modern British culture, but it's clearly not racism.

 

 

*OMG I'M A RACIST.

[TheHowieLama]

and 'lynched Niggers*' in the Southern states. .

 

is not a great band name.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

'Pictures of the Holocaust', on the other hand...

[dirk grout]

A good post.

 

Luis has not been called a racist by the FA. It appears that the offence may have been to use language which is racist, which is something quite different.That is why the Daily Mirror headline was so offensive.

 

The FA have actually been quite sly about this as they have not use the word race or racist at all. Suarez has been done for 'using insulting words which include a reference to colour'. The fact that the words Suarez has used are not racist is irrelevant. Even if we can prove that 'negrito' or whatever he said is not racist the charge still stands. Its basically a fucking stitch up. They know full well that people will interpret this as racist, its what Jason Roberts and the national press are calling him don't you know. They have made it clear that 'the FA do not believe Mr. Suarez to be racist' as they know he could sue the fuck out of them if they claimed he was as there is not a shred of evidence to prove it. The whole thing stinks.

[TheHowieLama]

'Pictures of the Holocaust', on the other hand...

 

Concept album.

[WaltonRed]

Fuck everyone not connected to us.

 

Siege mentality

 

We've known everyone fucking hates us on the sly but now its out.

 

Time to fight back

[xerxes]

How the fuck could we have lost that case?

Because it was a kangaroo jury with an FA agenda, you fucking dullard!

 

It was a tribunal convened under rules which we were party to and whose officers we apparently did not challenge. There was no jury.

 

Apart from that, thank you for that insightful contribution....................:wallbutt:

[xerxes]

The FA have actually been quite sly about this as they have not use the word race or racist at all. Suarez has been done for 'using insulting words which include a reference to colour'. The fact that the words Suarez has used are not racist is irrelevant. Even if we can prove that 'negrito' or whatever he said is not racist the charge still stands. Its basically a fucking stitch up. They know full well that people will interpret this as racist, its what Jason Roberts and the national press are calling him don't you know. They have made it clear that 'the FA do not believe Mr. Suarez to be racist' as they know he could sue the fuck out of them if they claimed he was as there is not a shred of evidence to prove it. The whole thing stinks.

All fair comment.

 

It is my view that Ayres, our PR team and our legal team have been flat-footed and out manoeuvered in first their handling of this, and then their response to the adjudication.

 

If there is no racial element to this, then the punishment meted out is way over the top.

 

That this has been left to Kenny and the players to deal with is a disgrace.

[Heinze]

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nevermind the whopper at the end

[bri5x]

If this had gone to court it wouldn't have made it into the court room.where are the witnesses? Where,s the evidence? If it had,the one witness would of been the accuser and he would of been systematically dismantled on the stand.its got fergie,s grubby little fingerprints all over it from the off.he,s probably told evra to wind suarez up in the hope[knowing of his previous behaviour at ajax] that he,ll snap,then he,ll make sure the book is thrown at him.if you look at the incident in the kop goalmouth,its fuckin clear that evra is clearly goading luis.he,s definately not saying “do you fancy coming for a pint after the game luis? ” Suarez,s only mistake was responding with language that could be interpreted as risky,even though there are no rascist connortations attatched to what he said.

[FrenchEyeGlass]

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nevermind the whopper at the end

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

"calling man coloured.....diickheaaad"

 

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

 

oh dear.

[FrenchEyeGlass]

Oh and with regards to Hansen - he was speaking about all non-white players, not just black players - hence the term "coloured".

 

What a stupid thing to get upset about.

[Newport]

Didn't even know the term "coloured" was frowned upon. Is it?

[Newport]

DannyFullbrook Danny Fullbrook

The liverpool players got exactly what they deserved for their ridiculous statement supporting a racist. #LFC

 

Some cunt from the Daily Star,

 

Just tweeted this back to him

 

@DannyFullbrook The Daily fucking Star, I've had shits with a higher IQ than your readership you brainless twat

 

Not just some cunt, their "Chief Football Writer" allegedly a.k.a. "Transfer Rumour Factory Chief" Maybe he's Ben Fairthorne?

[Guest ShoePiss]

Didn't even know the term "coloured" was frowned upon. Is it?

 

You need an update, it became frowned upon in PC ver. 2.10.4 and we're now at PC ver. 4.11.7

[Dani Pacheco]

Didn't even know the term "coloured" was frowned upon. Is it?

 

I don't know as I'm not from England/UK. Place sounds like a joke at the moment though with all this racism outrage bullshit over a couple of harmless words.

[Newport]

Btw, am I the only one annoyed by the number of random black (or coloured if you like) players turning out to make comments about how great it is that the FA "finally has done something about the problem".

 

Oh and racial politics bollocks like this:

 

FA score on behalf of football over Evra incident | The Voice

 

 

"There was a growing opinion that the Suarez incident would all be brushed under the carpet"

 

Written by Natasha Henry

21/12/2011 12:28 PM

 

STRONG STANCE: The Football Association

 

BEING HONEST, I didn't know what to expect when I first saw The FA's statement regarding the verdict and punishment of Liverpool player, Luis Suarez.

 

With so much time having passed since the incident, there was a growing opinion that it would all be brushed under the carpet. Or that, if Suarez was found guilty he would get a warning and a childlike slap on the wrist. But The FA have done neither and for that, I have to commend them.

 

Aware of the amount of domestic and international attention, they sensibly took their time. While knowing that one party would be unhappy whatever the ruling, meant they had to ensure their decision-making process was infallible. And so far, it seems to have been.

 

As for Suarez, I think people need to realise there is a difference between being racist and using racist language.

 

The Uruguayan has been charged with the latter, and by banning him for an unprecedented eight games and £40,000 fine, the authorities have shown that it is not acceptable, nor will it be tolerated in our beautiful game.

 

I would have added compulsory training with an anti-racism charity like Kick It Out too. There may well have been some confusion over the translation of the word, but I imagine there was no confusion about how it was said. And if, as suggested, he repeated it then I find it hard to believe he didn't know what he was doing.

 

As yet Patrice Evra and Manchester United have been quiet, in complete contrast to Liverpool. I appreciate their stance, but the crass way they delivered their statement can only be described as a huge PR mistake.

 

Rather than just support their player, Liverpool bring the game into disrepute by questioning the integrity of The FA and Evra. Although, I'll decline to comment on the conspiracy theories.

 

The heritage of Suarez and his family and friends is completely irrelevant. They need to stick to reiterating their employees' innocence, rather than giving us reasons why he wouldn't have said it. Surely it should be one or the other as opposed to both?

 

But the worst thing for me is that the longer this issue continues, the more the most important point will disappear.

Already it is becoming; Scousers versus Red Devils, Liverpool versus Manchester United, and King Kenny versus Sir Alex.

 

When what it is really about is; football against discrimination.

 

Natasha Henry is a freelance sports journalist

 

It's not fair to make someone a scapegoat based on doubtful accusations just to make an example!

Edited December 22, 2011 by Newport

[WoOGii]

If we just got rid of all the black footballers this wouldn't fucking happen.

[BringbackBiscan]

Liverpool face Luis Suarez racism row dragging on until late in the season

 

Liverpool may have to wait until February before launching an appeal against the eight-match ban imposed on their striker Luis Suárez by the Football Association.

 

 

By Henry Winter and Chris Bascombe

 

11:00PM GMT 21 Dec 2011

 

The written judgment explaining the findings of the Independent Commission, which issued the severe punishment against the South American for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra, is not likely to be published until mid-January.

 

Only when Liverpool have received the transcript from the chairman of the commission, Paul Goulding QC, can they consider whether to take further action. That is when the 14-day deadline to challenge the conclusions will be triggered.

 

The public debate on Suárez is so far based only on the verdict, not the evidence, which is why Liverpool believe Goulding needs to publish quickly. The FA did promise on Wednesday to print all details on its website when it eventually receives them from Goulding.

 

The possible one-month delay means the saga is certain to drag on towards the end of the season. It is inconceivable an appeal will not follow given the strength of feeling on Merseyside. However, Liverpool will then run the risk of seeing the ban extended even longer.

 

The FA reserves the right to increase the penalty on the Uruguay striker should he request a new panel to convene to reassess the evidence.

 

There is also a possibility that Liverpool will face an additional charge, with United considering a complaint about the wording of their rivals’ strongly-worded response, which criticised Evra, to the verdict.

 

There was at least some relief for Suárez last night when Merseyside police confirmed that the FA’s judgment will not lead to a criminal investigation similar to that affecting Chelsea captain John Terry.

 

The police will not act unless a complaint is made, and Evra has made no representations about the Oct 15 incident.

 

Liverpool’s belligerent response to the FA’s guilty verdict, which also landed Suárez with a £40,000 fine, has not softened in the last 24 hours.

 

The manager, Kenny Dalglish, the club’s American owners and entire playing squad are as one in their rejection of the independent panel’s findings.

 

While most of English football’s representative bodies, including the Professional Footballers’ Association, welcomed the FA's tough stance on racism, Liverpool’s players took the unprecedented step of releasing a statement of their own.

 

They also wore T-shirts sporting Suárez’s image and No 7 ahead of their Premier League fixture with Wiganon Wednesday night. The players’ statement read: “Luis Suárez is our team-mate and our friend and as a group of players we are shocked and angered that he has been found guilty by the FA.

 

“We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that. We know he is not racist.

 

“We are a squad of many different nationalities and backgrounds. All of us support the club’s commitment to fighting racism. All of us accept there is no place in the game for any form of discrimination.

 

“As a group of players we totally support the Kick it Out Campaign.

 

“We have lived, trained and played with Luis for almost 12 months and we don’t recognise the way he has been portrayed. “We will continue to support Luis through this difficult period, and as a popular and respected friend of all his team-mates, he will not walk alone.”

 

Liverpool know there is a danger of the club becoming increasingly isolated in English football, especially given the response of the PFA, but are adamant that they will stand by their player.

 

Gordon Taylor, the PFA’s chief executive, who tried to bring the two clubs together in the immediate aftermath of the racism allegation, said the FA was beyond reproach. Taylor said: “This was an independent commission experienced in law and football and they must have had compelling evidence, and it sends out a very strong message to the rest of the world.

 

“I understand the point about cultural differences but if you come to this country all players have to abide by not just the laws of the game but the laws of the land as well. Referring to someone’s skin colour has got to be offensive — it’s self-evident.

 

“This is a timely reminder for the FA, the PFA and the clubs to continue education programmes, particularly for players coming from abroad: it is never right to make reference to a person’s skin, colour or nationality.”

 

The FA knew there was little prospect of the issue reaching a conclusion with the announcement of its verdict. Although the FA has received plenty of support for its response, Liverpool continue to believe a witch-hunt has gained momentum without the full facts being made public.

 

Most of the criticism the FA has received beyond Merseyside has come from those querying the wisdom of a £40,000 fine for a player who earns nearly double that a week. The FA points out that money goes into grass-roots projects.

 

Liverpool face Luis Suarez racism row dragging on until late in the season - Telegraph

[FrenchEyeGlass]

Do they have fucking evidence or not?

 

If they don't, then how the fuck did they come to a guilty verdict?

 

If they do, then WHERE THE FUCK IS IT.

 

Disgraceful.

[Barzini]

 

Gordon Taylor...

 

“This is a timely reminder for the FA, the PFA and the clubs to continue education programmes, particularly for players coming from abroad: it is never right to make reference to a person’s skin, colour or nationality.”

 

 

I thought Evra had made reference to Suarez's nationality. Why is he not subjected to the same rules as us?...oh.

 

What a fucking stitch-up.

[Coro]

Jocky's cunning ploy to try and distract some attention away from Suarez.

 

Well in, big Al.

[Redder Lurtz]

Btw, am I the only one annoyed by the number of random black (or coloured if you like) players turning out to make comments about how great it is that the FA "finally has done something about the problem".

 

Oh and racial politics bollocks like this:

 

FA score on behalf of football over Evra incident | The Voice

 

 

"There was a growing opinion that the Suarez incident would all be brushed under the carpet"

 

"Liverpool bring the game into disrepute by questioning the integrity of The FA and Evra."

 

BWahaahahaaahhhahahaa!!!!

[Jack the Sipper]

 

So, Anton Ferdinand does his Hitler impression and no-one bats an eyelid. Terrible double standards.

[robslappa]

All fair comment.

 

It is my view that Ayres, our PR team and our legal team have been flat-footed and out manoeuvered in first their handling of this, and then their response to the adjudication.

 

If there is no racial element to this, then the punishment meted out is way over the top.

 

That this has been left to Kenny and the players to deal with is a disgrace.

 

In what way have the club been out manouvered? They can't articulate a response until they've seen the full judgement, if they did they'd be seriously jumping the gun.

 

Also, how has it been left to Kenny and the players to deal with? Do you think they're handling Luis' legal representations or is that more shit stirring on your part? I don't know what your problem is with the hierarchy at Liverpool, but right throughout this saga, you've been saying the the owners have no understanding of what's going on, that they need to get a grip of the situation.... etc, etc.