Tory Country

[Hooch]

Probably neggable but I liked it. Give it a chance, gets better the longer it goes.

 

https://youtu.be/ckXd5yCPzok

 

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[Anny Road]

I seriously think we blame politicians for far too much. In effect we get the politicians we deserve.

If I was chancellor I would not give two fucks that one of my constituents mothers bed pan was left unchanged for 36 hours in the nursing home. I'm meeting Obama next week fuck off.

Sad but we would all be the same.

[Jairzinho]

Speak for yourself.

[Hooch]

Ah fuck this, why's it so hard to post a fucking Youtube video.

[Anny Road]

copy and paste nothing else

[DJLJ]

Probably neggable but I liked it. Give it a chance, gets better the longer it goes.

 

https://youtu.be/ckXd5yCPzok

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckXd5yCPzok

[Bobby Hundreds]

Love how the torys put a man with strong connetions to the poll tax as minister for scotland and their new equality minister voted against gay marriage. It's like putting a man who doesn't belive in the NHS in charge of the NHS like they did with hunt. They enjoy it.

[Hooch]

Ah just sussed it, cheers mate. Was getting confused with that embed code. 

 

Yeah, so, I liked it. 

[Ginny]

What would you like to see happen to him?

 

Kick him out of the flat and take away his £70 JSA?

 

Move him into a shared house for a start. Put more of a squeeze on him to get a job - force him onto a job. I used to ask him why he doesn't just go and work at McDonalds - "fuck that i can't work there man" - bone idle cunt with a sense of entitlement. I walked out of my job a couple of months ago and had another job in a couple of weeks. I sent out 10 CV's a day and phone at least 6 recruiters and walked into places to talk to people. I made it happen for myself. I created my own reality. He would wake and bake.

 

There comes a point were people have to take responsibility for their own lives - create opportunities for themselves. You will never do that while your still on your mums tit. Like most of these arrested development babies are.  

 

In the end just before we sacked him out of the band he wasn't even bothering to mention cash or offering anything. He was just walking in and out of taxis and in the bar would go and sit down expecting a pint delivered to him. Like he expects to pick his JSA up every week and doing fuck all for it. 

 

Calls himself the working class - bollocks he's never worked a day in his life. Again I will caveat this rant buy saying i fully support benefits and understand that people need support in places and times in their lives,  i could be a nervous breakdown from needing support myself. I'm happy paying taxes -  but you have to draw the line on 20-30 year old able bodied intelligent lads just bumming of the state for years and years. Then when a government comes in thats gonna shake up their shit, they are the first ones again being the victims and complaining.   

[Jairzinho]

I wouldn't work for McDonalds either. Why do you give such a shit about other people sharing the crumbs?

[Ginny]

I wouldn't work for McDonalds either. Why do you give such a shit about other people sharing the crumbs?

I believe a large part of why the Tories got in is because a lot of people are fed up with this shit. I can only go off what most of the Tory voters I have spoken to have told me. But the first thing that comes up is Labour is seen as a party who wants to prolong this babysitting. The lazy cunts are one of the reason those cunts have got into power again. I also like to see people fulfil their potential - hundreds of times I helped that lad out - he was intelligent and clever. Always going on about the job he had years ago and plans he had for the future but he was just afraid to change.

[Jairzinho]

Fair enough, each to their own. I'll never bother aiming any of my anger at someone living on seventy quid a week though.

[VladimirIlyich]

Move him into a shared house for a start. Put more of a squeeze on him to get a job - force him onto a job. I used to ask him why he doesn't just go and work at McDonalds - "fuck that i can't work there man" - bone idle cunt with a sense of entitlement. I walked out of my job a couple of months ago and had another job in a couple of weeks. I sent out 10 CV's a day and phone at least 6 recruiters and walked into places to talk to people. I made it happen for myself. I created my own reality. He would wake and bake.

 

There comes a point were people have to take responsibility for their own lives - create opportunities for themselves. You will never do that while your still on your mums tit. Like most of these arrested development babies are.

 

In the end just before we sacked him out of the band he wasn't even bothering to mention cash or offering anything. He was just walking in and out of taxis and in the bar would go and sit down expecting a pint delivered to him. Like he expects to pick his JSA up every week and doing fuck all for it.

 

Calls himself the working class - bollocks he's never worked a day in his life. Again I will caveat this rant buy saying i fully support benefits and understand that people need support in places and times in their lives, i could be a nervous breakdown from needing support myself. I'm happy paying taxes - but you have to draw the line on 20-30 year old able bodied intelligent lads just bumming of the state for years and years. Then when a government comes in thats gonna shake up their shit, they are the first ones again being the victims and complaining.

I think you are aiming your vitriol at the wrong people. On £70 a week I dont think he was responsible for the world recession do you?

I'd save my anger for the people who brought the country to its knees and to whom £70 wouldnt buy them a haircut.

Seems these Tories really have persuaded the average Brit to despise their pretty harmless fellow citizens.

I actually salute him for managing to exist on £70 a week and not slitting his own throat.

I am sure McDonalds wont miss him.

[Rico1304]

I wouldn't work for McDonalds either. Why do you give such a shit about other people sharing the crumbs?

Beneath you?

[Jairzinho]

Beneath you?

 

Moral grounds really, they're a fucking appalling corporation.

[Rico1304]

Moral grounds really, they're a fucking appalling corporation.

Ok, swap McDs for aldi

[Jairzinho]

Ok, swap McDs for aldi

 

Depends on how desperate I was for money. I certainly wouldn't feel any guilt to anyone for not working there though, especially not someone (I'm not referring to you here! But the people Ginny mentioned earlier) with a Tory ideology.

 

I don't really measure the decision in terms of whether something would be "beneath" me or not. That sort of thinking/attitude would tend to suggest that someone is very much defined by a job or career, or rather what status they are perceived to be. I've worked in factories, I've written for a newspaper. I've played poker for a living. *Shrugs* 

 

Nobody should be forced to work anywhere. And whilst the top 0.001% of society carves up the vast majority of wealth, often through thoroughly unscrupulous means, I really don't care if one of the poorest people in that society decides they'd rather spend the day reading than stacking shelves for some transnational company.

[Rotpeter]

Depends on how desperate I was for money. I certainly wouldn't feel any guilt to anyone for not working there though, especially not someone (I'm not referring to you here! But the people Ginny mentioned earlier) with a Tory ideology.

 

I don't really measure the decision in terms of whether something would be "beneath" me or not. That sort of thinking/attitude would tend to suggest that someone is very much defined by a job or career, or rather what status they are perceived to be. I've worked in factories, I've written for a newspaper. I've played poker for a living. *Shrugs* 

 

Nobody should be forced to work anywhere. And whilst the top 0.001% of society carves up the vast majority of wealth, often through thoroughly unscrupulous means, I really don't care if one of the poorest people in that society decides they'd rather spend the day reading than stacking shelves for some transnational company.

What obligation, if any, is there to the other 99.999% of society?

[Jairzinho]

What obligation, if any, is there to the other 99.999% of society?

 

From the 0.001%? Same, none. Or do you mean from one part of the 99.99% to another?

 

It's quite difficult to really define "obligation" in this context.

[Hades]

Move him into a shared house for a start. Put more of a squeeze on him to get a job - force him onto a job. I used to ask him why he doesn't just go and work at McDonalds - "fuck that i can't work there man" - bone idle cunt with a sense of entitlement. I walked out of my job a couple of months ago and had another job in a couple of weeks. I sent out 10 CV's a day and phone at least 6 recruiters and walked into places to talk to people. I made it happen for myself. I created my own reality. He would wake and bake.

 

There comes a point were people have to take responsibility for their own lives - create opportunities for themselves. You will never do that while your still on your mums tit. Like most of these arrested development babies are.  

 

In the end just before we sacked him out of the band he wasn't even bothering to mention cash or offering anything. He was just walking in and out of taxis and in the bar would go and sit down expecting a pint delivered to him. Like he expects to pick his JSA up every week and doing fuck all for it. 

 

Calls himself the working class - bollocks he's never worked a day in his life. Again I will caveat this rant buy saying i fully support benefits and understand that people need support in places and times in their lives,  i could be a nervous breakdown from needing support myself. I'm happy paying taxes -  but you have to draw the line on 20-30 year old able bodied intelligent lads just bumming of the state for years and years. Then when a government comes in thats gonna shake up their shit, they are the first ones again being the victims and complaining.   

 

I envy this bloke. Choosing between a deadend minimum wage job and fuckall in benefits whilst likely being suicidally depressed everyday. Living the dream. 

[Rotpeter]

From the 0.001%? Same, none. Or do you mean from one part of the 99.99% to another?

 

It's quite difficult to really define "obligation" in this context.

Yeah, I meant between and among the 99.999%

[Jairzinho]

Yeah, I meant between and among the 99.999%

 

I don't think it's something that I could answer concisely (and I'm too tired to go into any great length), It's far too complex. In no small part down to the many, many differences in the levels of wealth within the 99.99%, and the various attitudes (my feeling of obligation, or guilt really, would probably differ depending on how much or little of a Tory someone was). 

 

But ultimately not a great deal of obligation. Do you think there should be?

[Rotpeter]

I don't think it's something that I could answer concisely (and I'm too tired to go into any great length), It's far too complex. In no small part down to the many, many differences in the levels of wealth within the 99.99%, and the various attitudes (my feeling of obligation, or guilt really, would probably differ depending on how much or little of a Tory someone was). 

 

But ultimately not a great deal of obligation. Do you think there should be?

I just find the idea of mediating a relationship with the 99.999% based on a perception of the 0.001% interesting and potentially a dis-service to the 99.999%

[Hades]

Wish Tories would just come out with the truth they actually believe in - they want anyone on government assistance/benefits to kill themselves. Apparently, nobody on benefits is allowed to leave the house, enjoy a meal, buy anything or watch TV without being scrounging scum. There is no inbetween between being so sick you're unable to move and being physically able enough to work that is considered acceptable. 

[Dr Nowt]

Cameron and the cynical art of pretending not to understand a joke

 

David Mitchell

 

The prime minister’s indignation over Liam Byrne’s ‘no money’ note was nothing but a desperate ploy to look principled about something

 

Sunday 17 May 2015 09.30 BST

 

David Cameron doesn’t strike me as a man of principle. I’m certainly not alone in thinking that – I reckon even some of his supporters would probably agree. I don’t expect he would, though – not publicly, anyway. That would be going a bit far even for the steady-hand-on-the-tiller brand of chillaxed leadership that he specialises in projecting.

 

But I think he would disassociate himself, if not from having principles altogether, from idealism. He reckons that, in the absence of any hot and angry beliefs, we’ll assume he’s got lots of quietly firm, conservative convictions – and not just a vast inner void, in the centre of which is a microscopic speck of thought, like an infant universe, that can suddenly expand at frightening speed into a fully formed request for a biscuit.

 

He’s not someone who goes around deeply believing in, desperately hoping for, fervently opposing or earnestly contemplating stuff; not one of those guys who carry on as if thinking isn’t actually an incredibly tiring thing to have to do. And I quite like that quality about him, to be honest.

 

The strict limit he places on the extent to which he gives a shit about anything is a trait I recognise in myself: there are so many crises and injustices afflicting our country and the world and, deep down, I know I don’t care about them nearly as much as I should. So any evidence of other people who are similarly lazy and thoughtless makes me feel better.

 

I’m not saying that makes Cameron an ideal prime minister, but it doesn’t make me dislike him like it should. It makes me think he’s a familiar weak human rather than an intimidating “good person” who would probably be boring to talk to or make me feel guilty.

 

I did, of course, notice the change in Cameron’s tone towards the end of the election campaign – around the time he accidentally but accurately described it as “career-defining”. He kept making speeches with his sleeves rolled up, as if he’d taken someone’s metaphorical advice literally. A week more campaigning and he’d have had a wheel on his shoulder, a grindstone stuck to his nose and been waving the bloody end of one of his own pulled-out fingers.

 

What he did wave, though, was a letter. And this, more than anything he said, revealed the seriousness of his intent. It was the letter Liam Byrne, outgoing Labour chief secretary to the Treasury, left for his successor after the 2010 general election. It read: “Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam”. Last week, in this newspaper, Byrne expressed his feelings about it in expansive terms that suggest he’s lost his gift for a pithy turn of phrase. It was several hundred words long but “Dear World, I massively wish I’d never written that letter. Best wishes, Liam” would have pretty much covered it.

 

David Cameron doesn’t wish Byrne hadn’t written it. The prime minister was able to look passionate and sincere by getting worked up about both it and any attempts to play it down. “The note that was left was correct,” he insisted last month, “…so Ed Balls saying this is some kind of joke I think is frankly the most appalling thing I’ve heard in this election campaign so far.”

 

That went down pretty well with the crowd, which is depressing because the note clearly is a joke and Cameron knows it. What else could it be? Fiscal information is not conveyed from one chief secretary to the next in short hand-scrawled messages, and neither is contrition at governmental mismanagement. So it must be a joke, which means it’s frankly not credible that Balls stating this obvious truth appalled Cameron to the extent he claims. He’s faking his hurt here – he’s just running into the penalty box and falling over. He’s uninjured yet crying “Foul!"

 

What is also obvious is that, as Cameron says, “The note … was correct.” In trying to convince them of the daft notion that, to be a joke, something must be factually inaccurate, the prime minister is betraying how much he despises his audience. Saying things that are not true is certainly a time-honoured basis for humour, but that is not the only sort of joke. Had Byrne written “The country has never been richer!”, that would have been inaccurate and also a joke. But that’s not the type of humour he chose to deploy. His letter is a joke because it describes a grim and frightening reality in frivolous terms. It is making light of something dark.

 

It is having the temerity to talk of terrible things casually, like the humourless think you shouldn’t. Such people’s disapproval is why others laugh. It’s a tart quip by a Labour minister, directed at his party’s vanquishers, to assuage his feelings of defeat and exhaustion after wrestling with the financial crisis for nearly two years. I am convinced that David Cameron completely understands that and I suspect he rather likes it.

 

That’s why I think his use of the letter is revealing. It’s impossible to know, but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t admire sang-froid and levity, if one politician drily alluding to a disaster on Treasury writing paper doesn’t rather appeal to him. The letter suggests a working environment which is witty and nuanced, a gallows humour; some would despise the haughty triviality of it, but I don’t believe that of Cameron. He is, after all, a fan of Jeremy Clarkson.

 

And yet, with his waving of that letter, he puts such political wryness out of bounds for a generation. He has aligned himself with those who pass the time by humourlessly scrutinising things that don’t matter – slips of the tongue, edgy jokes, lapses in political correctness. This letter is harmless, irrelevant and slightly amusing – it’s just Twitter fodder, not the basis for a national debate about who should be in charge. And David Cameron knows it.

 

He must have faced a similar dilemma over Scotland. I believe that, in his heart, he supports the union. Yet, when he had to choose between conduct most likely to strengthen it, and what would most help his electoral chances, his path was clear: he raised the issue of English self-government, he spread fear about the malign influence of the SNP on Labour, he divided and ruled. Which suggests he does have a guiding conservative principle after all: to conserve his job, if not his country.