Climate change - how arsed are you?

[halewood pete]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[Bjornebye]

My mate lives in British Columbia, he sent this earlier from West Kelowna 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

On 18/08/2023 at 04:38, Bjornebye said:

My mate lives in British Columbia, he sent this earlier from West Kelowna 

 

 

 

On 06/08/2023 at 09:29, polymerpunkah said:

Just posting this for the amazing picture.

 

In the foreground is the sawmill I worked at when I was a kid:

 

 

The original is even better:

 

https://i.cbc.ca/1.6928483.1691179759!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/adams-lake.jpg

 

 

Run away!!

 

 

[Bjornebye]

39 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

 

 

Run away!!

 

 

 

Jesus. 

[Gnasher]

Kids with matches again.

 

 

 

 

[Section_31]

This could all bring about change in the next few years. I reckon support for green parties will rocket.

[Gnasher]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/25/emperor-penguins-thousands-of-chicks-in-antarctica-likely-died-due-to-record-low-sea-ice-levels

 

 

[Gnasher]

50 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/25/emperor-penguins-thousands-of-chicks-in-antarctica-likely-died-due-to-record-low-sea-ice-levels

 

 

 

Still on the subject of Penguins. Here's a more upbeat story. 

 

 

https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/22/penguin-promoted-to-3rd-highest-rank-in-norway-army

 

 

[Spy Bee]

I'm not buying it.

 

Having done a lot of reading about it lately, there is so much misinformation out there. This myopic focus on CO2 emissions and the related fear porn is bonkers. There is definitely an agenda and it seems that this will be used to remove liberties and control the masses. Renewables are not enough to replace current energy usage, so by trying to get to the mythical net zero, we would need to drastically reduce the amount of power we use. This would have huge consequences for the poorest people in the world.  There seems very little evidence that there has been an increase in extreme weather events, and the recent spate of forest fires seem to be a combination of arson, forest mismanagement and recklessness with things like power cables etc. The idea that if we get a tiny bit warmed the world will suddenly burn and everything will die, seems to be based on nothing really.

 

I think this CO2 obsession also detracts from other important environmental issues, like protecting our waterways, not overfishing, use of pesticides etc.

 

I'm sure I'll get shot down, as six months ago I was on the other side of this argument, but I have since listened to alternative view points and changed my mind.

 

 

[bossy]

I’ve just been to Nîmes in southern France. On Thursday it was 41c. In the shade you felt like you were boiling, and out if it, burning. 105 f in old money and very very uncomfortable. 

[polymerpunkah]

On 06/08/2023 at 06:29, polymerpunkah said:

Just posting this for the amazing picture.

 

In the foreground is the sawmill I worked at when I was a kid:

 

 

The original is even better:

 

https://i.cbc.ca/1.6928483.1691179759!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/adams-lake.jpg

Fire took off on Aug 18th, travelled a dozen miles in as many hours (very very fast), burned out a bunch of people, a couple of whom I know, shut-down the trans-Canada highway, and came within a couple of miles of home.

 

(Didn't burn the mill, thankfully, as that would have cratered the local economy.)

 

Spent the last week there, quite something to see.

 

[Gnasher]

Madrid metro flooding yesterday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

On 25/08/2023 at 10:08, Spy Bee said:

I'm not buying it.

 

Having done a lot of reading about it lately, there is so much misinformation out there. This myopic focus on CO2 emissions and the related fear porn is bonkers. There is definitely an agenda and it seems that this will be used to remove liberties and control the masses. Renewables are not enough to replace current energy usage, so by trying to get to the mythical net zero, we would need to drastically reduce the amount of power we use. This would have huge consequences for the poorest people in the world.  There seems very little evidence that there has been an increase in extreme weather events, and the recent spate of forest fires seem to be a combination of arson, forest mismanagement and recklessness with things like power cables etc. The idea that if we get a tiny bit warmed the world will suddenly burn and everything will die, seems to be based on nothing really.

 

I think this CO2 obsession also detracts from other important environmental issues, like protecting our waterways, not overfishing, use of pesticides etc.

 

I'm sure I'll get shot down, as six months ago I was on the other side of this argument, but I have since listened to alternative view points and changed my mind.

 

 

 

I've read that halving Co2 will cause massive starvation, Co2 being essential for plant growth.

Adding Co2 to crops in a lab has been proven to increase crop yields, although water scarcity then becomes an issue. Real world data may well be different.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0378377483900756

 

"Probable effects of increasing global atmospheric CO₂ concentration on crop yield, crop water use, and world climate are discussed. About 430 observations of the yields of 37 plant species grown with CO₂ enrichment were extracted from the literature and analyzed. CO₂ enrichment increased agricultural weight yields by an 36%. Additional analysis of 81 experiments which had controlled CO₂ concentrations showed that yields will probably increase by 33% with a doubling of atmospheric CO₂ concentration. Another 46 observations of the effects of CO₂ enrichment on transpiration were extracted and averaged. These data showed that a doubling of CO₂ concentration could reduce transpiration by 34%, which combined with the yield increase, indicates that water use efficiency may double."

 

 

[Champ]

On 21/08/2023 at 09:17, Section_31 said:

This could all bring about change in the next few years. I reckon support for green parties will rocket.

I hope so but I’m not holding my breath.

Most people seem happy to continue with their lives as before, doing their bit of recycling but rarely a thought about the impact of their cheap flights to holidays in the sun 

[Section_31]

5 minutes ago, Champ said:

I hope so but I’m not holding my breath.

Most people seem happy to continue with their lives as before, doing their bit of recycling but rarely a thought about the impact of their cheap flights to holidays in the sun 

 

I dunno. Covid was like that until people started seeing footage from Italian hospitals.

 

People will have come back from Rhodes and the Canaries this year with genuine horror stories.

[TD_LFC]

 

[Mudface]

Shit just got serious. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Thunberg arrested.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67136772

 

[ZonkoVille77]

A bit shit, like..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/23/rapid-ice-melt-in-west-antarctica-now-inevitable-research-shows

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 25/08/2023 at 10:08, Spy Bee said:

I'm not buying it.

 

Having done a lot of reading about it lately, there is so much misinformation out there. This myopic focus on CO2 emissions and the related fear porn is bonkers. There is definitely an agenda and it seems that this will be used to remove liberties and control the masses. Renewables are not enough to replace current energy usage, so by trying to get to the mythical net zero, we would need to drastically reduce the amount of power we use. This would have huge consequences for the poorest people in the world.  There seems very little evidence that there has been an increase in extreme weather events, and the recent spate of forest fires seem to be a combination of arson, forest mismanagement and recklessness with things like power cables etc. The idea that if we get a tiny bit warmed the world will suddenly burn and everything will die, seems to be based on nothing really.

 

I think this CO2 obsession also detracts from other important environmental issues, like protecting our waterways, not overfishing, use of pesticides etc.

 

I'm sure I'll get shot down, as six months ago I was on the other side of this argument, but I have since listened to alternative view points and changed my mind.

 

 

"Alternative view points" to reality.

[skend04]

On 25/08/2023 at 10:08, Spy Bee said:

I'm not buying it.

 

Having done a lot of reading about it lately, there is so much misinformation out there. This myopic focus on CO2 emissions and the related fear porn is bonkers. There is definitely an agenda and it seems that this will be used to remove liberties and control the masses. Renewables are not enough to replace current energy usage, so by trying to get to the mythical net zero, we would need to drastically reduce the amount of power we use. This would have huge consequences for the poorest people in the world.  There seems very little evidence that there has been an increase in extreme weather events, and the recent spate of forest fires seem to be a combination of arson, forest mismanagement and recklessness with things like power cables etc. The idea that if we get a tiny bit warmed the world will suddenly burn and everything will die, seems to be based on nothing really.

 

I think this CO2 obsession also detracts from other important environmental issues, like protecting our waterways, not overfishing, use of pesticides etc.

 

I'm sure I'll get shot down, as six months ago I was on the other side of this argument, but I have since listened to alternative view points and changed my mind.

 

 

 

Got to love a bit of Spy Bee nonsense first thing in the morning. Obviously there's no evidence of extremes of weather apart from the actual extremes of weather. 

 

What a crank.

[Gnasher]

The good news just keeps rolling in.

 

 

 

[TD_LFC]

Anyone have some travel planned for the next month?

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

Either we have a carbon emissions problem or we don't. If we do then these cunts need to be held accountable. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/richest-1-account-for-more-carbon-emissions-than-poorest-66-report-says