Tottenham (A) - Sat 30th Sep 2023 (5:30pm)

[A_S]

5 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Fuck bigging up this small-time cunt.

 

 

 

 

Poundland Klopp wannabe.

 

Fuck sake, Ange. Sorry, but there's zero sympathy for the officials in this instance. None. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

3 hours ago, chrisbonnie said:

It's hard to imagine how you can confuse a simple concept like var, b by the use of language. It actually beggars belief in fact, that because they use particular phrases, they then end up making mistakes. How can the chap looking at the instant replay not just say "that's onside ref, award the goal" as opposed to "check complete" 

 

This is what gets me. In rugby you hear a proper conversation, but in football it has to be Bravo Two Zero. It's all a bit try-hard, like that mate you'd have as a kid who'd get walkie talkies, but insisted you say "over" after everything.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

 

Do they not have a script where they have to say "Check complete. Goal" or "Check complete. No goal."?

 

I've always assumed that the decisions would have to be communicated in an absolutely clear and unequivocal way, because... why would you have a system that's so obviously prone to error?

[ZonkoVille77]

The club are just going to accept this, aren't they? There's not an ounce of fight in them to tackle this nonsense. They should have been shouting from the rooftops ever since VVD was assaulted by Pickford and nothing happening as a consequence. Bunch of milquetoast statements is all we ever see from them. I'm really not taking this well. 

[Creator Supreme]

VAR is pish compared to the TMO system used in both codes of Rugby. The fact that the rugby refs are miked up makes everything much clearer, not to mention that they clarify every decision being reviewed before moving the game on.

 

They still get it wrong sometimes, but nothings perfect.

[diamondjoe]

For Jotas second yellow, should  VAR  not've said to the Ref , that first yellow was a mistake so just give him a warning? Where's the justice in that.

[gkmacca]

I don't feel much calmer after sleeping on this ridiculous set of incidents. 

 

I saw the clip of Neville saying, 'At least they apologised'. (Which, as Kelly Cates pointed out, wasn't an apology at all). Well, that just underlines the out-of-control arrogance of the PGMOL.

 

When a player apologises, they usually dismiss that and loftily declare that 'insufficient remorse' was shown or some other God-like judgement. They can't ever be wrong, and the others can't ever be right. And don't forget to bow as you shuffle backwards out of the headmaster's office.

 

Their employees have been fecking up game after game whilst boo-hooing that they don't get shown enough respect. Some players * gasp * even talk back to them sometimes, as if, you know, they think they're dealing with ordinary mortals.

 

When clubs mess up they can be fined, or even docked points. When managers have the temerity to question the refs' infallibility, they get fined and banned from the dugout, with menacing 'suspended bans' added on top.

 

What do the PGMOL get? And who has the power to pass any punishment? How many more games are they going to wreck before 'acknowledging human error' is finally deemed 'insufficient remorse'?

[s(k)aturation]

2 minutes ago, A_S said:

 

Fuck sake, Ange. Sorry, but there's zero sympathy for the officials in this instance. None. 

 

Yeah, I'd have shut my neck about sympathising with officials for an error that, at best, was pure incompetence and gifted his side three points.

 

But I have to say his big, soft, sensitive guy image is starting to get on my nerves.

 

And bullshitting last week about the handball rule not being clear enough.

 

So which is it, Ange?  Oh, it depends on whether the decision benefits of hinders your team, eh?  

 

[Jose Jones]

57 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

BTW - it is NO coincidence that things have gotten so bad since Howard Webb was appointed chief. His resignation is immediately required.

Spot on. The refs know that he appoints them to matches and they know he’s an ex South Yorkshire copper who resents his ex-colleagues being held responsible for Hillsborough. So they act accordingly. It’s an absolute disgrace he’s ever been allowed anywhere near any of our matches.

[Dave D]

The irony that a system brought in based on actual technology to eliminate human error then blames human error 

[House of Dirk]

11 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

The club are just going to accept this, aren't they? There's not an ounce of fight in them to tackle this nonsense. They should have been shouting from the rooftops ever since VVD was assaulted by Pickford and nothing happening as a consequence. Bunch of milquetoast statements is all we ever see from them. I'm really not taking this well. 

In all realism, what can we do ? Its a cabal, its obviously bent and there is an obvious agenda. 

[Moo]

I was incandescent with rage last night, this morning I am merely fuming.  I don't know why, I've long since resigned myself to the officials anti-Liverpool bias. But that last night was on another level and they've done it because they know they can. It's sickening.

[LFC 6 Times]

Genuinely the worst officiated game I’ve ever seen. The worst thing is it just feels we’re absolutely powerless. No doubt we’ll miss out on the title by 1 point. 

[Moo]

6 minutes ago, House of Dirk said:

In all realism, what can we do ? Its a cabal, its obviously bent and there is an obvious agenda. 

 

Take a long term view.  Appoint a specialist analyst working full time on reviewing every incident in every game in the PL, maybe going back to the start of last season.  If we're being shafted present the evidence (out of season) to the FA and PGMOL and demand action, let them know we're onto them and it's all documented and will continue to be documented until we're allowed a level playing field.  

[Scott_M]

My mood hasn’t improved any this morning. 

[Scott_M]

I’m sure I posted this on here before…

 

I saw Howard Webb in Harvey Nichols in Leeds a few years ago. He sort of cut me off going down the escalator. I’ve always regretted not kicking him in the back so he fell down the escalator and caused him a nasty injury.
 

That sense of regret has only festered over the years and I will forever live in remorse. 

[Elite]

The quicker AI referees all games the better. Well as long as it's not programmed by a manc.

[ZonkoVille77]

2 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

I’m sure I posted this on here before…

 

I saw Howard Webb in Harvey Nichols in Leeds a few years ago. He sort of cut me off going down the escalator. I’ve always regretted not kicking him in the back so he fell down the escalator and caused him a nasty injury.
 

That sense of regret has only festered over the years and I will forever live in remorse. 

 

It's all your fault.

[House of Dirk]

5 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

I’m sure I posted this on here before…

 

I saw Howard Webb in Harvey Nichols in Leeds a few years ago. He sort of cut me off going down the escalator. I’ve always regretted not kicking him in the back so he fell down the escalator and caused him a nasty injury.
 

That sense of regret has only festered over the years and I will forever live in remorse. 

 

I have had one of those moments. I used to be a runner and did the 2003 and 2004 London Marathons. Doing training runs where I live down south, and Jimmy Savile ran past me, outside Stoke Mandeville hospital in the opposite direction. Should have gone Keane Inge Haaland on him and have lived with regret ever since.

[Scott_M]

1 minute ago, House of Dirk said:

 

I have had one of those moments. I used to be a runner and did the 2003 and 2004 London Marathons. Doing training runs where I live down south, and Jimmy Savile ran past me, outside Stoke Mandeville hospital in the opposite direction. Should have gone Keane Inge Haaland on him and have lived with regret ever since.

We both could  have stopped history’s greatest monsters. 

[Moo]

Just on the what can the club do about it?  We should somehow demand that the unedited audio of the officials is released of the whole match. There's probably a rule against that as it hints at questioning their integrity, if so we need to get some journalists onside to create a groundswell. This is bigger than one match it's about football being ruined and anyone who cares about the game should be up in arms. Unfortunately though I think most involved in the game are happy to help keep the gravy train on track.

[House of Dirk]

14 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

Take a long term view.  Appoint a specialist analyst working full time on reviewing every incident in every game in the PL, maybe going back to the start of last season.  If we're being shafted present the evidence (out of season) to the FA and PGMOL and demand action, let them know we're onto them and it's all documented and will continue to be documented until we're allowed a level playing field.  

 

 

Fair shouts. its not boding well for this season in terms of the shaftings we have had in the first 6 weeks.

 

I was out yesterday and didnt see any of the game other than the score and then more info filtering through. Its making me angry and I have too much on today to get distracted by the full venom of rage I will hit if I start analysing.

[Moo]

5 minutes ago, House of Dirk said:

 

 

Fair shouts. its not boding well for this season in terms of the shaftings we have had in the first 6 weeks.

 

I was out yesterday and didnt see any of the game other than the score and then more info filtering through. Its making me angry and I have too much on today to get distracted by the full venom of rage I will hit if I start analysing.

 

I wish I had too much on to get me out of this fume.  

People will say it's a "watershed" moment for VAR but it won't be.  Some LFC supporters might think it's a watershed moment for officials and their agenda against LFC, but it won't be. There will be no watershed moment coming from their side, if there was it would have been when one of their number elbowed Robertson and got away with it, with our cooperation. This will continue. Maybe not to the obvious extent of the last 7 games, but we will continue to be on the end of an alarming number of bad calls until we do something about it.

[gkmacca]

34 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

Yeah, I'd have shut my neck about sympathising with officials for an error that, at best, was pure incompetence and gifted his side three points.

 

But I have to say his big, soft, sensitive guy image is starting to get on my nerves.

 

And bullshitting last week about the handball rule not being clear enough.

 

So which is it, Ange?  Oh, it depends on whether the decision benefits of hinders your team, eh?  

 

 

 

Exactly. This Martin Samuel lookalike is really enjoying the easyride he's getting for not being as boring as the last couple of Spurs managers. A reasonably decent manager would have been at least a tiny bit embarrassed about winning a game like that in that fashion, but he went from interview to interview as if his team had beaten eleven men against all the odds. (And as for all that shite about him being a Liverpool fan as a kid 'but who stays that way once you've grown up?' Liverpool fans do, Ange, cobber, or rather, cobblers.)

[Carvalho Diablo]

1 hour ago, deiseach said:

I can't get on board with the corruption calls. How does it work? Make sure Liverpool don't score in the first half hour? You might as well imply that we should check Matip's bank balance. 

 

Having said all that, unless they release the audio of the conversation that took place then it's impossible to face down the corruption calls, and I don't think they will release the audio because they'd rather be thought of as corrupt than incompetent. They can just dismiss the former as being the product of kooks, but the latter is a cut at every top referee's self-conception. Yeah, it might have been the wrong call but it was understandable. Well, without corruption this one can only be understood in the context of complete uselessness, and we can't have that. Carry on with statements laden with the passive voice - mistakes were made, lessons will be learned - in the well-placed confidence that the news cycle will move onto the next debacle within hours. 

I disagree.

 

If yesterday's officiating performance had merely been due to sheer incompetence then both teams would have suffered more or less equally.

 

No, all of the errors penalised 1 team, us, and that cannot be down to mere incompetence, that bias can only be explained by something more sinister and premeditated: corruption.